No, there are no other C compilers that can compile Linux correctly, they just won't work, only GCC.
You can compile the kernel with Intel's ICC as well. It might require few patches but it can be done.
And. it also needs a build environment that is usualy GNU.
So, because you USUALLY use GNU-tools, it means that you absolutely, positively require those GNU-tools? Since "usually" means that they are most used, but not the only alternatives, how can they be a requirement?
You can use Linux just fine without GNU-tools. Just because you usually use them with GNU-tools doesn't mean that the two are linked in such way that they can't be separated.
Seriously, you seem to be having a bit of RMS circle-jerk going on. RMS did alot, that much is true. But a bit less foaming-at-the-mouth extremism (both from him and from you) might be a good idea
Or maybe it just runs hotter? I remember that Ars Technica did a review of G5 PowerMac (don't remember which model) and they found that the CPU's run very, very hot.
i wouldn't exactly call it free when you spend more time recompiling all of your applications than you could ever save running them.
Well, yes and no. Yes, compiling can take long time. But so what? I mean, when the machine compiles, I can do someting else. I can keep on using the computer, or I could go out for lunch for example.
If I enabled some optimizations that made the machine 5% faster, started the recompile in 9pm, went to bed, and checked the results in 6pm in the next evening (when I get back home from work), how much time would I have wasted doing that compile? None. When the machine was compiling, I wouldn't have been using it in the first place (I was either sleeping or at work). You are not required to sit in front of the computer and watch it compile. You are perfectly free to do something else instead.
You could say that it gives you best of both worlds. That extra 5% might not be much, but it can make the system a bit more snappy. And that matters when you are actually using the machine. Yes, it might take hours for it to recompile the system, but since I can watch a movie, sleep, read a book while it does so, I don't really see myself as wasting time. If anything, we SHOULD step away from the computer once in a while.
And, if I really need to, I CAN use the computer while it compiles.
FWIW: I use Gentoo, but I'm not performance-junkie. I have modest optimization-settings, and performance is not the main reason why I use Gentoo. But if I can get some extra performance, so much the better!
The G5 (PowerPC 970) has similar specs. I haven't seen new wattage numbers on the new 2.7GHz models, but I imagine they are similar. The PPC970 draws about 40 watts as far as I know.
Then why does it need liquid-cooling at hi-end? AMD-chips do not need something like that in the hi-end.
Thats not JUST a phone! IT HAS A BUILT IN FLASHLIGHT!!!!
Oh the humanity! it has a white LED that can be activated by the user and used as a low-powered flashlight. If LED is too much for some people, I really think that those people would find something to whine about no matter what the phone was like.
1. The PPC has been 64bit longer than either AMD or Intel.
Opteron was released before G5 was released, so what the hell are you blabbering about? And even before Opteron, Intel had Itanium. Sure, P4 was not 64bit until quite recently. But you didn't talk about P4, you talked about "Intel".
2. I want a quiet system, and that means no fans.
Well, PowerMac has fans. As does iMac and Mac Mini as well. If you want a fanless system, may I recommend a Via Epia? PowerMac is obviously not suitable.
The A380 requires a drastic retooling of airports. From dual double-decker jet-ways to reinforced tarmac pads to support the weight of it.
Not quite. New jet-ways might be needed, but no new tarmac is needed. Any runway that can take (or launch) 747 can taken and launch A380 as well. While A380 does weight more, it has more wheels, so the weight of the plane if distributed better than on 747. the actual ground-pressure caused by A380 is actually less than that caused by 747.
1. My time is better spent doing things other than compiling basic system utilities.
Then do those other things. Typing in the commands to compile those "basic system utilities" takes few minutes at most. After that, it starts compiling and you can do whatever you want to do. You are in no shape or form required to sit on front of the computer while it compiles.
Usually when I have done Gentoo-installations, I have done it so that I start first major compile (bootstrap) in the evening. That way it can compile overnight. In the morning, I proceed to next major compile (xorg, KDE etc.) and go to work. That way, when I get back home from work, it has finished compiling, and it's more or less ready to be used. And I haven't lost any time waiting for it to compile (since I'm either sleeping or at work).
The more I learn about the system in USA (and other countries to some extent as well), the more I like the Finnish system. In here, it's against the law to bundle phones with the service (or vice versa). Basically, the consumers have to buy a phone, and then they buy a service. Of course, operator-run shops sell phones. But they can't do a thing if I buy my phone from there, and sign up to their competitor instead. Basically I can shop around for the cheapest phone, and I can then shop around for the cheapest operator.
So, it costs the consumers extra, since phones are not subsidized? Wrong. First of all, phones are cheap. The price-range goes from 50e (Nokia 1100) up to something like 700e (Nokia 9500 Communicator), so there's plenty to choose from.
That phone will work with all operators. And there are half a dozen major operators to choose from, each having nationwide coverage. And you can keep your phone-number if you switch operators, so switcing operators is very, very simple. My wife did that few days ago. She filled in a form in a website (took about 5 minutes), and they mail her a new SIM-card. Couldn't be easier.
Because switching operators is so easy, the competition is cutthroat. All cell-phone-services are loaded with features (caller-ID, conference-calls, dataservice, SMS, WAP, MMS, GPRS etc. etc.) and prices are crashing through the roof. And you can often get several hundred euros worth of free call-time if you switch operators.
So, I guess I see my chances of EVER just buying a phone slipping even further away. Sigh.
here. That wasn's so hard, now was it? I know it's fashionable to whine "but I just want a phone, and no extra features!". But fact is that there are tons of basic phones out there.
The majority of computer users are not Linux and *BSD users.
And majority of computer-users are not OS X users. So what's your point?
pple however have produced useful search functionality for the masses.
The "massses" of OS X-users are about as large as number of Linux-users. You could say that right now the number of potential Beagle-users is about as big as number of potential Spotlight-users is.
Writing better engine isn't really what I would call innovation.
They can innovate inside that engine. Fact is that for all their "innovation", Apple relies heavily on those no-good open-source coders. Samba, GCC, KHTML etc. etc.
"iCon" is clearly a play on words on Apple's products. And the subtitle is nothing but praise for Jobs. The name of the book is not "I con", or "I, con". It's "iCon", pronounced in same way as "Icon". But hey, if yuou are too moronic to understand that, it's your problem and not mine.
t's an HTML rendering engine for goodness sake! What exactly do you propose they innovate?
Surely their innovators can create even better engine? One that is alot faster, renders better etc. etc. Why do they need KDE for it?
Yes, you can run Beagle right now if you know how to compile and install software from source. Reality check: the majority of users out there don't.
Majority of Linux-users do. As do *BSD-users. And those are the target-audiences of this tool. And I wouldn't be surprised if some distros offered binaries of it as well.
HTML rendering is a commodity, like a TCP stack. Why not take what's available for licensing so we can spend our time on other things?
Sure you can do that. But I was just wondering that with your uber-leet innovators you could have done something better than those no-good copycats at KDE.
"And what is this "Linux" you talk about?"
Are you kidding?
No, it's a valid question. Are you talking about the kernel? I assumed not, since you talked about user interfaces. Well, the UI's in Linux run on other systems as well. Well, FYI: not all attention in the user-interfaces are going towards user-interface design. And not all innovation in "Linux" is going towards the desktops.
Ever seen a traffic signal?
And that makes Apple's implementation "good"? Fact is that buttons with clear symbols would be alot better. Yes, the buttons in OS X have symbols, but you have to hover the mouse over them to see them. I think that those buttons in KDE for example are alot more usable than the ones in OS X are. The buttons are big enough, they have symbols that are visible all the time AND in addition they are color-coded on mouse-over. But relying on colors does make it harder for color-blind people.
Spotlight is shipping. Now. Released
And you can run Beagle right now. Today. Or are you stuck in the mindset that if it doesn't come in a shiny box, it doesn't count?
And according to the Web site, the way to run it is to download source code from a source-control server.
They have tarballs available, in case you didn't see them.
Better at what? I'm having a hard time thinking of things that Linux can do at all, much less better than something else.
Better at fulfilling my needs. Is it so hard to believe that someone, somewhere thinks that *shock and horror* Linux is better than OS X? Yes, I think Linux/KDE is better than OS X. And I gave OS X a shot, and I can see why many people love it. But I didn't fell in love with it. Better than Windows? Sure! Better than Linux/KDE (in my opinion)? Nope. And what are you going to do about that? Punch me in the face? Call me an idiot? Fact remains, that I simple like KDE more. And that opinion is not "wrong" in any shape or form.
your attitude seems to be pretty arrogant. "I'm having a hard time thinking of things that Linux can do at all, much less better than something else.". That whole comment stinks of arrogance and ignorance. And to be honest, I have seen that in quite many OS X users.
I did use OS X. I liked some things in it, disliked others. I understood why manypeople like it. But in the end, it wasn't good enough for me. And there are many people who think like I do. And those people are not stupid for thinking like that.
I see you casually glossed over the fact that the statement was prefaced with "iCon", which is itself a play on Apple products AND suggestive of Steve Jobs pulling a con.
1. also ikon (kn)
1. An image; a representation.
2. A representation or picture of a sacred or sanctified Christian personage, traditionally used and venerated in the Eastern Church. 2. An important and enduring symbol: "Voyager will take its place... alongside such icons of airborne adventure as The Spirit of St. Louis and [the] Bell X-1" (William D. Marbach).
3. One who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol: "He is... a pop icon designed and manufactured for the video generation" (Harry F. Waters).
4. Computer Science. A picture on a screen that represents a specific file, directory, window, option, or program.
Yes, that explains why companies like Apple, and even Microsoft in their own, glacial way, are innovating on a fundamental level while Linux is...you know. Not.
Which is why Apple got their HTML-engine from Linux? Why couldn't Apple "innovate" and write their own? Yes, I label KDE under Linux here, since you talk about user-interfaces. Linux doesn't have one really, whereas KDE (and Gnome and others) do, so I assume KDE and the like are "Linux" in this case.
Think about where all the attention is going: Human-user interface design.
If you think that "all attention" in Linux-land is going towards human interface design, you are WAY off-base! And what is this "Linux" you talk about? The desktops? It can't be the Kernel, since that thing doesn't really have "user-interface".
That was Apple in 1985. Today, Apple is doing no-shit innovation.
So, Apple spends no time or resources at Human Interface design these days? Oh, they do? Then why is it that when Linux-guys spend time on human-interface today, it "proves" that Linux-guys are 20 years behind Apple, but when Apple spends time on Human-interface today, it doesn't prove anything? Or maybe it proves that "Apple cares about the users". But if Linux-guys do the same, it proves that they are behind Apple?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. And besides, OS X is not paradigm of usability. Color-coding those close/maximise/minimise-buttons is just a big "fuck you!" to color-blind people.
Yes, we're doing big-time flashy innovation with things like Core Data and Spotlight.
Spotlight is like Beagle on GNOME, and Beagle was demoed before Spotlight was announced. So what was that thing about "innovation" you talked about? Why is it that Apple "innovated" when they announced Spotlight, but Linux-guys did not when they demonstrated Beagle before Apple demonstrated their solution? Is it because Apple made a huge deal out of it, whereas Linux-guys did not? Is that your definition of "innovation"? The length of the press-release?
Yes, OS X is a fine OS. I have used it extensively on my Mini, and I can see why many consider it to be the best thing since sliced bread. But I'm planning to replace it with Linux/KDE in the near future. For the simple reason that I think Linux/KDE is better.
I fully agree. The "Americanization" of BBC shows is WRONG.
Why do they do that? And I don't mean just BBC-shows, but other things as well. Why did they have to make Americanised version of "The Ring"? Why did they have to make Americanised version of "The Office"? Why did they make Americanised version of "Coupling"? Why can't Americans simply watch the originals?
If you leave it alone for a few months it is pretty much guarenteed to develop brain functions.
Perhaps so. But the fact remains that the fetus does not have brain-functions when it's nothing but a cluster of cells. It never has had any. If abortion is wrong because at some point in the future the embryo would have brain-functions, then masturbation is wrong, since every single sperm could become a human-being, but we are kiling them in the millions when we masturbate.
But does society want an added value to more aboritions "Hey, the dead baby was good for something after all, lets have more of them". Is a life a commodity?
I don't think anyone would become pregnant just so they could be harvested for cells. But if they did, what would be the harm? It's not "dead baby". It's a fetus. It might be only few clustered cells without any brain-functions. If those cells could be used to cure someone from a mortal disease, I fail to see what damage it does. Of course, abortion is a big thing for the people involved, but if they want to do it, who are we to say "no"?
Abortions will happen. Outlawing them wont make them go away. And since they will happen no matter what, you might as well figure out ways how they could benefit the society as a whole. Demonizing the doctors who do them as "baby-killers" or something accomplishes nothing. using the cells for cures of disease or research accomplishes quite alot.
If you really want to reduce the number of abortions, you should focus on educating people. No, "say no to sex!" or bible-thumbing is not the answer. Objective information about different birth-control methods and making them available would be a good start.
And like it or not, life is a commodity. It has been since the dawn of time. We have had prostitutes, slaves, mercenaries and even regural wage-slaves. We all sell our lives to some extent for money.
And G5's do qualify for this argument, because they are cheap, 64-bit chips, even if they do run on a different archetecure. And they've been shown to have a higher IPC (Instruction Per Cost) ratio, making them a more than ideal candidate.
Compared to Pentium/Xeon, sure! But what about when comparing to Athlon64/Opteron?
And considering that in your original post you compared dual-core 8xx-series Opteron (capable of 8-way SMP, that would mean 16 cores on single system) to G5 (single-core CPU limited to 2-way SMP), really shows that you have no idea what you are talking about! If you want to compare G5 to something AMD offers, compare them to Athlon64's or Opteron 2xx-series (which costs alot less than 8xx-series does)!
If we do compare 2x G5 to 2X Opteron 2xx, we will notice that the Opteron-machine has twice as much L2-cache (1MB vs. 512KB per core), 4 times as much L1-cache (128KB vs. 32KB per core), twice as much mem-bandwidth, and more effective FSB-bandwidth than the G5-system does.
Yes, G5 is a nice CPU. But it's not the ultimate CPU some Apple-fanboys think it is.
I'm not a native english-speaker, so errors like that are expected. If you see something like regural/regular, you are encouraged to use your brains and assume that it's a simple error.
Alaska four times the area, and 1/8 the population.
And Lapland is pretty big with very very few people living there. It's population per square kilometer is ALOT less than rest of Finland. So what's your point?
I explicitly said in my previous post that you can compare some isolated area in USA to whole of Finland. If you did that, you should compare isolated areas in USA to isolated areas in Finland. And you then proceeded to do just that.
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You can compile the kernel with Intel's ICC as well. It might require few patches but it can be done.
So, because you USUALLY use GNU-tools, it means that you absolutely, positively require those GNU-tools? Since "usually" means that they are most used, but not the only alternatives, how can they be a requirement?
You can use Linux just fine without GNU-tools. Just because you usually use them with GNU-tools doesn't mean that the two are linked in such way that they can't be separated.
Seriously, you seem to be having a bit of RMS circle-jerk going on. RMS did alot, that much is true. But a bit less foaming-at-the-mouth extremism (both from him and from you) might be a good idea
Or maybe it just runs hotter? I remember that Ars Technica did a review of G5 PowerMac (don't remember which model) and they found that the CPU's run very, very hot.
Well, yes and no. Yes, compiling can take long time. But so what? I mean, when the machine compiles, I can do someting else. I can keep on using the computer, or I could go out for lunch for example.
If I enabled some optimizations that made the machine 5% faster, started the recompile in 9pm, went to bed, and checked the results in 6pm in the next evening (when I get back home from work), how much time would I have wasted doing that compile? None. When the machine was compiling, I wouldn't have been using it in the first place (I was either sleeping or at work). You are not required to sit in front of the computer and watch it compile. You are perfectly free to do something else instead.
You could say that it gives you best of both worlds. That extra 5% might not be much, but it can make the system a bit more snappy. And that matters when you are actually using the machine. Yes, it might take hours for it to recompile the system, but since I can watch a movie, sleep, read a book while it does so, I don't really see myself as wasting time. If anything, we SHOULD step away from the computer once in a while.
And, if I really need to, I CAN use the computer while it compiles.
FWIW: I use Gentoo, but I'm not performance-junkie. I have modest optimization-settings, and performance is not the main reason why I use Gentoo. But if I can get some extra performance, so much the better!
Then why does it need liquid-cooling at hi-end? AMD-chips do not need something like that in the hi-end.
Oh the humanity! it has a white LED that can be activated by the user and used as a low-powered flashlight. If LED is too much for some people, I really think that those people would find something to whine about no matter what the phone was like.
Opteron was released before G5 was released, so what the hell are you blabbering about? And even before Opteron, Intel had Itanium. Sure, P4 was not 64bit until quite recently. But you didn't talk about P4, you talked about "Intel".
Well, PowerMac has fans. As does iMac and Mac Mini as well. If you want a fanless system, may I recommend a Via Epia? PowerMac is obviously not suitable.
Not quite. New jet-ways might be needed, but no new tarmac is needed. Any runway that can take (or launch) 747 can taken and launch A380 as well. While A380 does weight more, it has more wheels, so the weight of the plane if distributed better than on 747. the actual ground-pressure caused by A380 is actually less than that caused by 747.
Then do those other things. Typing in the commands to compile those "basic system utilities" takes few minutes at most. After that, it starts compiling and you can do whatever you want to do. You are in no shape or form required to sit on front of the computer while it compiles.
Usually when I have done Gentoo-installations, I have done it so that I start first major compile (bootstrap) in the evening. That way it can compile overnight. In the morning, I proceed to next major compile (xorg, KDE etc.) and go to work. That way, when I get back home from work, it has finished compiling, and it's more or less ready to be used. And I haven't lost any time waiting for it to compile (since I'm either sleeping or at work).
The more I learn about the system in USA (and other countries to some extent as well), the more I like the Finnish system. In here, it's against the law to bundle phones with the service (or vice versa). Basically, the consumers have to buy a phone, and then they buy a service. Of course, operator-run shops sell phones. But they can't do a thing if I buy my phone from there, and sign up to their competitor instead. Basically I can shop around for the cheapest phone, and I can then shop around for the cheapest operator.
So, it costs the consumers extra, since phones are not subsidized? Wrong. First of all, phones are cheap. The price-range goes from 50e (Nokia 1100) up to something like 700e (Nokia 9500 Communicator), so there's plenty to choose from.
That phone will work with all operators. And there are half a dozen major operators to choose from, each having nationwide coverage. And you can keep your phone-number if you switch operators, so switcing operators is very, very simple. My wife did that few days ago. She filled in a form in a website (took about 5 minutes), and they mail her a new SIM-card. Couldn't be easier.
Because switching operators is so easy, the competition is cutthroat. All cell-phone-services are loaded with features (caller-ID, conference-calls, dataservice, SMS, WAP, MMS, GPRS etc. etc.) and prices are crashing through the roof. And you can often get several hundred euros worth of free call-time if you switch operators.
here. That wasn's so hard, now was it? I know it's fashionable to whine "but I just want a phone, and no extra features!". But fact is that there are tons of basic phones out there.
And majority of computer-users are not OS X users. So what's your point?
The "massses" of OS X-users are about as large as number of Linux-users. You could say that right now the number of potential Beagle-users is about as big as number of potential Spotlight-users is.
They can innovate inside that engine. Fact is that for all their "innovation", Apple relies heavily on those no-good open-source coders. Samba, GCC, KHTML etc. etc.
"iCon" is clearly a play on words on Apple's products. And the subtitle is nothing but praise for Jobs. The name of the book is not "I con", or "I, con". It's "iCon", pronounced in same way as "Icon". But hey, if yuou are too moronic to understand that, it's your problem and not mine.
Surely their innovators can create even better engine? One that is alot faster, renders better etc. etc. Why do they need KDE for it?
Majority of Linux-users do. As do *BSD-users. And those are the target-audiences of this tool. And I wouldn't be surprised if some distros offered binaries of it as well.
Sure you can do that. But I was just wondering that with your uber-leet innovators you could have done something better than those no-good copycats at KDE.
No, it's a valid question. Are you talking about the kernel? I assumed not, since you talked about user interfaces. Well, the UI's in Linux run on other systems as well. Well, FYI: not all attention in the user-interfaces are going towards user-interface design. And not all innovation in "Linux" is going towards the desktops.
And that makes Apple's implementation "good"? Fact is that buttons with clear symbols would be alot better. Yes, the buttons in OS X have symbols, but you have to hover the mouse over them to see them. I think that those buttons in KDE for example are alot more usable than the ones in OS X are. The buttons are big enough, they have symbols that are visible all the time AND in addition they are color-coded on mouse-over. But relying on colors does make it harder for color-blind people.
And you can run Beagle right now. Today. Or are you stuck in the mindset that if it doesn't come in a shiny box, it doesn't count?
They have tarballs available, in case you didn't see them.
Better at fulfilling my needs. Is it so hard to believe that someone, somewhere thinks that *shock and horror* Linux is better than OS X? Yes, I think Linux/KDE is better than OS X. And I gave OS X a shot, and I can see why many people love it. But I didn't fell in love with it. Better than Windows? Sure! Better than Linux/KDE (in my opinion)? Nope. And what are you going to do about that? Punch me in the face? Call me an idiot? Fact remains, that I simple like KDE more. And that opinion is not "wrong" in any shape or form.
your attitude seems to be pretty arrogant. "I'm having a hard time thinking of things that Linux can do at all, much less better than something else.". That whole comment stinks of arrogance and ignorance. And to be honest, I have seen that in quite many OS X users.
I did use OS X. I liked some things in it, disliked others. I understood why manypeople like it. But in the end, it wasn't good enough for me. And there are many people who think like I do. And those people are not stupid for thinking like that.
Icon:
1. also ikon (kn)
1. An image; a representation.
2. A representation or picture of a sacred or sanctified Christian personage, traditionally used and venerated in the Eastern Church.
2. An important and enduring symbol: "Voyager will take its place... alongside such icons of airborne adventure as The Spirit of St. Louis and [the] Bell X-1" (William D. Marbach).
3. One who is the object of great attention and devotion; an idol: "He is... a pop icon designed and manufactured for the video generation" (Harry F. Waters).
4. Computer Science. A picture on a screen that represents a specific file, directory, window, option, or program.
Which is why Apple got their HTML-engine from Linux? Why couldn't Apple "innovate" and write their own? Yes, I label KDE under Linux here, since you talk about user-interfaces. Linux doesn't have one really, whereas KDE (and Gnome and others) do, so I assume KDE and the like are "Linux" in this case.
If you think that "all attention" in Linux-land is going towards human interface design, you are WAY off-base! And what is this "Linux" you talk about? The desktops? It can't be the Kernel, since that thing doesn't really have "user-interface".
So, Apple spends no time or resources at Human Interface design these days? Oh, they do? Then why is it that when Linux-guys spend time on human-interface today, it "proves" that Linux-guys are 20 years behind Apple, but when Apple spends time on Human-interface today, it doesn't prove anything? Or maybe it proves that "Apple cares about the users". But if Linux-guys do the same, it proves that they are behind Apple?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. And besides, OS X is not paradigm of usability. Color-coding those close/maximise/minimise-buttons is just a big "fuck you!" to color-blind people.
Spotlight is like Beagle on GNOME, and Beagle was demoed before Spotlight was announced. So what was that thing about "innovation" you talked about? Why is it that Apple "innovated" when they announced Spotlight, but Linux-guys did not when they demonstrated Beagle before Apple demonstrated their solution? Is it because Apple made a huge deal out of it, whereas Linux-guys did not? Is that your definition of "innovation"? The length of the press-release?
Yes, OS X is a fine OS. I have used it extensively on my Mini, and I can see why many consider it to be the best thing since sliced bread. But I'm planning to replace it with Linux/KDE in the near future. For the simple reason that I think Linux/KDE is better.
Why do I get the picture that this whole thing goes something like this:
User: Huh? what the hell is this?
Developer: It's our new spatial filemanager. According to experts, it's really great!
User: Well, I don't think it's great! In fact, I hate it!
Developer: No, you just don't understand. Take a look at these usability-studies that clearly show that this is the best way to manage files.
User: I don't care! I find this whole thing confusing and awkward! I want the old system back!
Developer: Just give it time, OK?
User: Fine
*two months pass*
User: I still hate it, how do I get the old system back?
Developer: But....
All the major OS'es/UI's moved away from spatial filemanagers. Maybe they had a good reason to do so?
And while it might be a good idea in theory, fact is that most users hate it.
Why do they do that? And I don't mean just BBC-shows, but other things as well. Why did they have to make Americanised version of "The Ring"? Why did they have to make Americanised version of "The Office"? Why did they make Americanised version of "Coupling"? Why can't Americans simply watch the originals?
Perhaps so. But the fact remains that the fetus does not have brain-functions when it's nothing but a cluster of cells. It never has had any. If abortion is wrong because at some point in the future the embryo would have brain-functions, then masturbation is wrong, since every single sperm could become a human-being, but we are kiling them in the millions when we masturbate.
I don't think anyone would become pregnant just so they could be harvested for cells. But if they did, what would be the harm? It's not "dead baby". It's a fetus. It might be only few clustered cells without any brain-functions. If those cells could be used to cure someone from a mortal disease, I fail to see what damage it does. Of course, abortion is a big thing for the people involved, but if they want to do it, who are we to say "no"?
Abortions will happen. Outlawing them wont make them go away. And since they will happen no matter what, you might as well figure out ways how they could benefit the society as a whole. Demonizing the doctors who do them as "baby-killers" or something accomplishes nothing. using the cells for cures of disease or research accomplishes quite alot.
If you really want to reduce the number of abortions, you should focus on educating people. No, "say no to sex!" or bible-thumbing is not the answer. Objective information about different birth-control methods and making them available would be a good start.
And like it or not, life is a commodity. It has been since the dawn of time. We have had prostitutes, slaves, mercenaries and even regural wage-slaves. We all sell our lives to some extent for money.
Compared to Pentium/Xeon, sure! But what about when comparing to Athlon64/Opteron?
And considering that in your original post you compared dual-core 8xx-series Opteron (capable of 8-way SMP, that would mean 16 cores on single system) to G5 (single-core CPU limited to 2-way SMP), really shows that you have no idea what you are talking about! If you want to compare G5 to something AMD offers, compare them to Athlon64's or Opteron 2xx-series (which costs alot less than 8xx-series does)!
If we do compare 2x G5 to 2X Opteron 2xx, we will notice that the Opteron-machine has twice as much L2-cache (1MB vs. 512KB per core), 4 times as much L1-cache (128KB vs. 32KB per core), twice as much mem-bandwidth, and more effective FSB-bandwidth than the G5-system does.
Yes, G5 is a nice CPU. But it's not the ultimate CPU some Apple-fanboys think it is.
I'm not a native english-speaker, so errors like that are expected. If you see something like regural/regular, you are encouraged to use your brains and assume that it's a simple error.
And Lapland is pretty big with very very few people living there. It's population per square kilometer is ALOT less than rest of Finland. So what's your point?
I explicitly said in my previous post that you can compare some isolated area in USA to whole of Finland. If you did that, you should compare isolated areas in USA to isolated areas in Finland. And you then proceeded to do just that.