Note that it changes with suffix. From a good thing,
zeal: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something : FERVOR (synonym see PASSION)
To a good thing and a maybe not-so-good thing, zealous: (good) filled with or characterized by zeal (maybe not-so-good): marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal
So that zealot: a zealous person, could be a good or a bad thing...
And all the way to a bad thing, zealotry: excess of zeal : fanatical devotion
I don't see anything wrong with accusing rms of zeal or passion. His approach is characterized by zeal, yes. Is there an excess of zeal is the real question. You seem to think so. I think the important things require more than mediocrity. It really comes down to whether you think this is important (depth vs shallowness) or that it could be winnable (cowardice vs bravery). Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting you are a shallow coward. Just perhaps shallow. But I could be wrong;-)
Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost.
Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.
Q: Will existing software, which is currently released under GPLv2 automatically be released under GPLv3 when it is published?
A: Under the re-versioning clause contained in section 9 of GPLv2, once GPLv3 is formally published for use, new releases of modified or unmodified GPL programs not designated 'GPLv2 only' can occur under GPLv3.
The FSF will release all the software in its care under the new licence, and we expect that other projects under GPL will make the shift, too with their next release. If the projects themselves do not, under GPLv2 section 9, any person possessing a copy of the program can make a release under 'any later version' of the licence, so re-licensing, though not precisely automatic, will be swift. For programs designated 'GPLv2 only,' re-licensing requires a decision by the copyright holder or holders, or others contractually or otherwise invested with the power to make licensing decisions.
Seriously, the media has been full of interviews discussing the transition path. This isn't new news.
Thats like saying, "fine, now imagine you wake up with the sweetly sickening smell of choraform still present, in a camp in gitmo." No one is being forced to fork. That is FUD.
Actually I think most people don't give a damn about the opinions expressed by door-to-door anybody. Rather they don't like the interuption, the invasion of privacy, and the intrusion which is a by product of door-to-door marketing. So from my point of view, your metaphor is flawed. To my knowledge, there are no door-to-door Freedom evangilists.
Disregarding the broken metaphor, in your particular case the resentment probably does involve awareness of a philosophy whose principles lead to the conclusion that your actions are immoral. Yet this only matters if you give creedence to some part of the philosophy, or share some of the principles, or perhaps benefit in some way from the accomplishments of the community. Otherwise you really wouldn't care.
I don't think it is so much the zeal that people are affronted by, but rather that (by definition) fundamentalists don't seem to think or reason. The very fact that masses respond to marketing doesn't make it correct to base your actions (or principles) on marketing sound bites. No one who as read rms or emailed with him would suggest that he doesn't think. You might not like his conclusions, perhaps, but it would be a lie to suggest they weren't well thought out and reasoned conclusions. Passion for a cause is certainly not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Not being able to defend your position is a bad thing.
Actually it is very appropriate to compare the rms slander with the gore slander. Both seem to be based in the same tactics. It is a shame to see it repeated without qualifing it as such, though.
"We are not ten anymore! Almost everything taught at that age is meant to build conformity, complacency, and fear of authority."
Actually by the age of 10 children are becoming capable of reasoning sufficently that they *should* be taught to question "authority" and to begin to judge assertions based on principles. It is a sad vision you have of concrete operational cognitive agents (almost to the point of formal operational congnition) being treated as though they were preoperationally stunted, and egotistically self-orientated, and deserving of "We are not ten anymore! Almost everything taught at that age is meant to build conformity, complacency, and fear of authority." Very, very sad image.
How do you converse with someone who believes that something can be "slanted" and "factual" simultaneously? Perhaps you meant to say, "yes, I've seen that same mud slung before". Perhaps you don't see the difference. Repetition of slander does qualify one for "slanted", but in order to be factual it has to be *true*, (which seems to be a missing principle in modern entertainment "journalism".) The idea that the status que has become "for us or against us", with spun "news" used as a means of retaliation, is an accurate reflection of the moment. What is truely abhorrent is to suggest that because it is the way things are now it is by this fact alone invested with any shred of justification. It isn't. It is in fact *wrong*, and an abuse of position. That is a fact, by the way, because its true. Regardless of whether or not you can find it said on FOX news.
Not true. BSD is open source, and it is GPL compatible, but it has never been Free. BSD has *never* release Free software. There software is mearly available without cost.
Amazingly enough you call rms "pope" in the same sentence where you call him a zealot. Have you know shame? Do you think you are addressing teenagers? At least polish the propaganda a little before releasing it.
"If RMS is working for us, can I hire someone else."
Sure, if you can afford to out of your own pocket and can find talent willing and able to work for you. Otherwise, why not go work for somebody else, yourself?
"When you need to spend time defending your spokesmean..."
Has there ever been an popular leader who wasn't attacked? So then you mean that it is *always* time to get a new spokesman? Over and over and over? Are you really as timid as a rabbit, or just trying to dilute leadership? Maybe what you mean is that RMS needs a PR front to shill for him? Angelina Jolie, perhaps? (Actually that would be cool...)
The line "Gunter glieben glauchen globen" at the start of "Rock Of Ages" came about when Lange uttered the phrase after getting bored of saying "one, two, three, four" in the studio. The band thought it to be so amusing that it ended up on intro of the final recording. The phrase is not proper German and actually doesn't mean anything. The line was later used by punk band The Offspring as the intro on their 1998 single Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)
Oracle targets small firms with application bundles
80 product- and industry-specific bundles unveiled
Oracle has unveiled a new channel business unit that will sell packages of its applications that have been specially designed for small businesses.
Also see:
"Oracle has long been a trusted partner for small and medium businesses, and we have developed a wealth of knowledge to help facilitate the unique needs of that market," said Oracle President Charles Phillips. "The introduction of Oracle Accelerate expands on our experience in this market, and makes it faster and easier for customers and partners to leverage Oracle's leading enterprise applications."
To help ensure the success of the Oracle Accelerate program, Oracle has developed a global business unit that will manage and monitor the product and partner components of the program. Headed by Senior Vice President Tony Kender, the SMB business unit will maintain a world-class partner/reseller ecosystem, drive the continued development of product and industry bundles and work to ensure SMB customer success.
You don't get the whole expert knowledge thing. What does it matter that redhat has more kernel developers on staff than anyone else? Well, if you have a problem and or what to tweak the kernel, where the hell do you go? Maybe you've got a cousin whose kids have some linux servers in the garage, and they'd like to tweak your companies kernel, sure...but I don't think so. Perhaps you just misunderstand "value".
In terms of system administration, consider that one of the most often stated reasons unix admins get paid so much more is because they handle more boxes. Your statement seems backasswards.
I would respectfully suggest that in terms of leading and playing catchup, you have to state what and where before when makes any sense. MS has been catching up on stability, yes, but security is still a nightmare. They lead in terms of mindshare, but *god* is their platform a pain to use for more than 45 minutes. You have to have Office file format compatibility, but actually fighting MS Word to get what you want/npeople willeed is so frustrating that I see people (comp sci majors, IS, art, literature majors, etc...) use wordpad at my school instead. Certainly MS is way behind in terms of quantum chemistry applications, or computational topography, or a slew of hard science/applied math areas.
In terms of programming language design, I'd say open source is leading. In terms of OS design, I'd say open source is leading. Pretty much most things on the cutting edge are going to be research efforts, and will probably be open sourced. So "leadership" and "lag" aren't so easy to determine, until the domain is well defined.
I'm agreed that this is probably a good thing for free software, in general, and could even be a good thing for redhat, long term. I don't think anybody *really* knows today, though, about redhat. Depends on how they adapt. Depends on a lot of things that haven't happened yet.
Actually this is perhaps of the best non-religious, pragmatic discussions of a naming convention I've see on slashdot. Disregard the flamebait and trolls, and keep posting!
"How do you think Redhat is going to pay developers when Oracle undercuts their only money generator?"
By this you are implicitly stating that no one uses redhat except to run oracle servers. I doubt that is the case. For the vast majority of redhat users out there, the main impact will be further penetration and inneroperability with the rest of their supply chain.
Novell Inc., which like Red Hat is an Oracle partner, found Oracle's Unbreakable Linux initiative "an interesting development."
Kevan Barney, Novell's senior manager of public relations said, "We agree with Oracle that Linux is an enterprise-class operating platform and that it deserves world-class support.' Still, Novell has been providing world-class support for operating system platforms for more than 23 years, including for Linux, for the last, almost, three [years]."
"That said," Barney continued, "Oracle's announcement is primarily targeted at Red Hat Linux servers. Red Hat and Novell have very different capabilities in the enterprise space. We have been saying for years that Novell is, in fact, the best option for enterprise deployments of Linux because of our global support capabilities, indemnification, and broad partner ecosystem. While Red Hat customers running only Oracle on Red Hat could benefit from Oracle support, customers who run applications on Linux in addition to Oracle need broader support for their Linux environments."
Oracle has been aggressively recruiting kernel developers out of Novell. Novell has lost three in the last several months, making it hard for Novell to claim any leadership against Red Hat, which is a hard-core innovator on the kernel. Oracle understands that to support a community-based product, it has to be part of that community.
This, incidentally, is still the best reason for Red Hat customers to stay with Red Hat for support: Red Hat is doing more to innovate and develop the kernel than anyone else, including Oracle. Source of code matters more than source code in Linux, and Red Hat is the predominant source.
What Oracle gets by buying redhat is experienced redhat linux *people*. In a service industry people matter. People talk to clients. People know what works and doesn't, and can ask the right questions. Really, Oracle is buying *knowledge*. If it helps, consider buying redhat as the purchase of interactive organic knowledge agents. Hehehe, well I laughed;-)
So you spoof the MAC address, and then VPN over https. What are you going to be logging, in terms of websites? One private ttps address? And you won't be able to tell where it is coming from...and if they have a sense of humor, they snag the teacher's MAC.
"I think that fixing the boot order in the BIOS, so it doesn't boot from CD/Floppy/USB, would also be advisable. A BIOS admin password (known only by the staff)would be a good idea, too."
Which remains in effect until the battery is pulled. Then the bios defaults to a "no password" initial state. Then the system can be booted from CD/Floppy/USB, whatever.
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Note that it changes with suffix. From a good thing,
;-)
zeal: eagerness and ardent interest in pursuit of something : FERVOR (synonym see PASSION)
To a good thing and a maybe not-so-good thing,
zealous: (good) filled with or characterized by zeal
(maybe not-so-good): marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal
So that
zealot: a zealous person, could be a good or a bad thing...
And all the way to a bad thing, zealotry: excess of zeal : fanatical devotion
I don't see anything wrong with accusing rms of zeal or passion. His approach is characterized by zeal, yes. Is there an excess of zeal is the real question. You seem to think so. I think the important things require more than mediocrity. It really comes down to whether you think this is important (depth vs shallowness) or that it could be winnable (cowardice vs bravery). Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting you are a shallow coward. Just perhaps shallow. But I could be wrong
(Article published in Synergy 05 - January 2006)
Seriously, the media has been full of interviews discussing the transition path. This isn't new news.
Thats like saying, "fine, now imagine you wake up with the sweetly sickening smell of choraform still present, in a camp in gitmo." No one is being forced to fork. That is FUD.
Actually I think most people don't give a damn about the opinions expressed by door-to-door anybody. Rather they don't like the interuption, the invasion of privacy, and the intrusion which is a by product of door-to-door marketing. So from my point of view, your metaphor is flawed. To my knowledge, there are no door-to-door Freedom evangilists.
Disregarding the broken metaphor, in your particular case the resentment probably does involve awareness of a philosophy whose principles lead to the conclusion that your actions are immoral. Yet this only matters if you give creedence to some part of the philosophy, or share some of the principles, or perhaps benefit in some way from the accomplishments of the community. Otherwise you really wouldn't care.
So why do you care?
I don't think it is so much the zeal that people are affronted by, but rather that (by definition) fundamentalists don't seem to think or reason. The very fact that masses respond to marketing doesn't make it correct to base your actions (or principles) on marketing sound bites. No one who as read rms or emailed with him would suggest that he doesn't think. You might not like his conclusions, perhaps, but it would be a lie to suggest they weren't well thought out and reasoned conclusions. Passion for a cause is certainly not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Not being able to defend your position is a bad thing.
Actually it is very appropriate to compare the rms slander with the gore slander. Both seem to be based in the same tactics. It is a shame to see it repeated without qualifing it as such, though.
"We are not ten anymore! Almost everything taught at that age is meant to build conformity, complacency, and fear of authority."
Actually by the age of 10 children are becoming capable of reasoning sufficently that they *should* be taught to question "authority" and to begin to judge assertions based on principles. It is a sad vision you have of concrete operational cognitive agents (almost to the point of formal operational congnition) being treated as though they were preoperationally stunted, and egotistically self-orientated, and deserving of "We are not ten anymore! Almost everything taught at that age is meant to build conformity, complacency, and fear of authority." Very, very sad image.
How do you converse with someone who believes that something can be "slanted" and "factual" simultaneously? Perhaps you meant to say, "yes, I've seen that same mud slung before". Perhaps you don't see the difference. Repetition of slander does qualify one for "slanted", but in order to be factual it has to be *true*, (which seems to be a missing principle in modern entertainment "journalism".) The idea that the status que has become "for us or against us", with spun "news" used as a means of retaliation, is an accurate reflection of the moment. What is truely abhorrent is to suggest that because it is the way things are now it is by this fact alone invested with any shred of justification. It isn't. It is in fact *wrong*, and an abuse of position. That is a fact, by the way, because its true. Regardless of whether or not you can find it said on FOX news.
Saying rms is irrelevant to open source is like saying bush has become irrelevant to the NAACP. Its not just wrong, its worse: it isn't even wrong.
Not true. BSD is open source, and it is GPL compatible, but it has never been Free. BSD has *never* release Free software. There software is mearly available without cost.
Amazingly enough you call rms "pope" in the same sentence where you call him a zealot. Have you know shame? Do you think you are addressing teenagers? At least polish the propaganda a little before releasing it.
"If RMS is working for us, can I hire someone else."
Sure, if you can afford to out of your own pocket and can find talent willing and able to work for you. Otherwise, why not go work for somebody else, yourself?
"When you need to spend time defending your spokesmean..."
Has there ever been an popular leader who wasn't attacked? So then you mean that it is *always* time to get a new spokesman? Over and over and over? Are you really as timid as a rabbit, or just trying to dilute leadership? Maybe what you mean is that RMS needs a PR front to shill for him? Angelina Jolie, perhaps? (Actually that would be cool...)
Agreed. The real question is will this grow the size of the pie larger enough, fast enough, that perhaps redhat will see growth instead of decline?
80 product- and industry-specific bundles unveiled
Oracle has unveiled a new channel business unit that will sell packages of its applications that have been specially designed for small businesses. Also see:
You don't get the whole expert knowledge thing. What does it matter that redhat has more kernel developers on staff than anyone else? Well, if you have a problem and or what to tweak the kernel, where the hell do you go? Maybe you've got a cousin whose kids have some linux servers in the garage, and they'd like to tweak your companies kernel, sure...but I don't think so. Perhaps you just misunderstand "value".
In terms of system administration, consider that one of the most often stated reasons unix admins get paid so much more is because they handle more boxes. Your statement seems backasswards.
I would respectfully suggest that in terms of leading and playing catchup, you have to state what and where before when makes any sense. MS has been catching up on stability, yes, but security is still a nightmare. They lead in terms of mindshare, but *god* is their platform a pain to use for more than 45 minutes. You have to have Office file format compatibility, but actually fighting MS Word to get what you want/npeople willeed is so frustrating that I see people (comp sci majors, IS, art, literature majors, etc...) use wordpad at my school instead. Certainly MS is way behind in terms of quantum chemistry applications, or computational topography, or a slew of hard science/applied math areas.
In terms of programming language design, I'd say open source is leading. In terms of OS design, I'd say open source is leading. Pretty much most things on the cutting edge are going to be research efforts, and will probably be open sourced. So "leadership" and "lag" aren't so easy to determine, until the domain is well defined.
I'm agreed that this is probably a good thing for free software, in general, and could even be a good thing for redhat, long term. I don't think anybody *really* knows today, though, about redhat. Depends on how they adapt. Depends on a lot of things that haven't happened yet.
Actually this is perhaps of the best non-religious, pragmatic discussions of a naming convention I've see on slashdot. Disregard the flamebait and trolls, and keep posting!
"How do you think Redhat is going to pay developers when Oracle undercuts their only money generator?"
By this you are implicitly stating that no one uses redhat except to run oracle servers. I doubt that is the case. For the vast majority of redhat users out there, the main impact will be further penetration and inneroperability with the rest of their supply chain.
Isn't Novell in a different market space?
Ah yep:
What Oracle gets by buying redhat is experienced redhat linux *people*. In a service industry people matter. People talk to clients. People know what works and doesn't, and can ask the right questions. Really, Oracle is buying *knowledge*. If it helps, consider buying redhat as the purchase of interactive organic knowledge agents. Hehehe, well I laughed ;-)
So you spoof the MAC address, and then VPN over https. What are you going to be logging, in terms of websites? One private ttps address? And you won't be able to tell where it is coming from...and if they have a sense of humor, they snag the teacher's MAC.
"I think that fixing the boot order in the BIOS, so it doesn't boot from CD/Floppy/USB, would also be advisable. A BIOS admin password (known only by the staff)would be a good idea, too."
Which remains in effect until the battery is pulled. Then the bios defaults to a "no password" initial state. Then the system can be booted from CD/Floppy/USB, whatever.