Political satire is written to provoke a debate about politics. If you don't want to engage in serious political critique then you should stay away from political satire, efatapo.
Also, note that political satire isn't funny unless it is accurate. And this satire isn't accurate. It's a misquote.
capitalism and socialism are opposite ends of an axis. democracy and dictatorship/monarchy are opposite ends of another axis.
A state can be totalitarian and capitalist (fascism):
"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt
A state can be totalitarian and socialist (communism) A state can be democratic and capitalist. A state can be socalist and capitalist. A state can be anywhere inbetween the two axis. The U.S. has both capitalist policies and socialist policies.
Here is a list of some of the socialist ones: socialized armed forces socialized water socialized police socialized fired department social(ized) security medicare road building/maintanance public waste and water treatment public schools
Times/UK: Lawyers Furious as US Builds (Gitmo) Death Chambers
LAWYERS expressed outrage yesterday at plans to put al-Qaeda suspects, including two Britons and an Australian, on military trial in Guantanamo Bay. They would effectively be tried by a "kangaroo court", stripped of all basic rights of due process that would be afforded in criminal courts in Britain or America, they said. ... He said: "The construction of execution chambers makes virtually every lawyer in the Western world extremely angry. The idea that there is an artificial creation or enclave which, according to the Americans, is beyond the purview of all recognised systems of law is repugnant." ... Times/UK: Lawyers Furious as US Builds Death Chambers
The Courier Mail: US Plans Death Camp (May 26, 2003)
THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.
Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.
The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians. ... "This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists." ... The Courier Mail: US Plans Death Camp
IMHO, it's a national security issue. We don't need to be exporting our expertise, we need home grown expertise that will stay in America.
Big buisness uses H1-B and L-1 visas to hire employees that they can pay well under the going rate for U.S. citizens. Small buisness doesn't have the overseas connections to hire folks with this so it only serves to give big buisness even more power over the start-ups.
I never disputed that Orwell said those things during WWII. What I am saying is that his earlier statements about pacifism are taken out of context as they are "exactly the kind of standard-issue Stalinist polemic that Orwell ended up so vigorously rejecting" in his later writings.
You statements about the "starving people of Iraq" are exactly the types of statements that he warned against in later works:
"So far as it goes, the distinction between an atrocity and an act of war is valid. An atrocity means an act of terrorism which has no genuine military purpose. One must accept such distinctions if one accepts war at all, which in practice everyone does. Nevertheless, a world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet."
Source: George Orwell, "As I Please", Tribune, 31 December, 1943 http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/warguilt.html
ksheff said:
"The starving people of Iraq only have Hussein to blame for their condition. It's obvious he has no problem letting them die if it makes him look good in the eyes of other radicals and it makes the whiny bleeding hearts in the West turn against their governments.
Pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. -- George Orwell, 1941"
I don't want to see Orwell's name attached to the type of non-critical thinking, nationalist(otherwise known as Orwellian) point of view that you are promoting. Therefore, I feel the need to correct you on this:
Orwell's own phrase "objective pro-fascist" (from a 1942 publication in the Partisan Review) is exactly the kind of standard-issue Stalinist polemic that Orwell ended up so vigorously rejecting in his best work. Orwell was never a Stalinist, but later said that he was driven to use language he regretted by "the lunatic atmosphere of war" (Partisan Review, 1944). That same year he specifically rejected the Stalinist use of the word "objective fascist" to smear people who are not Fascists at all, but who do things which others believe are helpful to Fascism ("As I Please", Dec. 1944)."
Source: http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/main.htm
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
Source: George Orwell, "Notes on Nationalism," 1945 http://www.zmag.org/quotes/quotesResults.cfm?topic 1=War
As for myself, I am neither a Hawk nor a Dove but something in the grey area, between. I have heard that this position is called an Owl. I seek justice, not revenge, and I question and research everything in support of the U.S.
I think that Judge Jackson is a very good Judge but the Appeals Court didn't want to break up M$. So the Appeals Court used this rather lame reason that Judge Jackson wasn't perfect in the way he spoke to the press.
I'll have to do some more research on the biases of the judges on the Appeals court to feel confident one way or another if this is what happened, though.
-Rick
You are misinformed. The Republican Party are for tax breaks for *big* buisness. The Republican Party is also for a lax enforcement of anti-trust laws which hurt small buisnesses in a big way.
The Democratic Party has *always* been for the little guy. Whether poor, whether a small buisness, and in the past 35 years the civil rights movement.
Basically:
Republicans: BIG Buisnesses (Just look up Resident Bush's list of contributors)
Democrats: Small Buisnesses, Consumers, and Employees
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paper trail = paper BALLOT *NOT* paper RECIEPT.
Use your own blasted skull, Anonymous Coward.
Political satire is written to provoke a debate about politics. If you don't want to engage in serious political critique then you should stay away from political satire, efatapo.
Also, note that political satire isn't funny unless it is accurate. And this satire isn't accurate. It's a misquote.
...
A state can be democratic and capitalist
A state can be democratic and socialist
A state can be inbetween the two axis...
capitalism and socialism are opposite ends of an axis.
democracy and dictatorship/monarchy are opposite ends of another axis.
A state can be totalitarian and capitalist (fascism):
"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt
A state can be totalitarian and socialist (communism)
A state can be democratic and capitalist.
A state can be socalist and capitalist.
A state can be anywhere inbetween the two axis. The U.S. has both capitalist policies and socialist policies.
Here is a list of some of the socialist ones:
socialized armed forces
socialized water
socialized police
socialized fired department
social(ized) security
medicare
road building/maintanance
public waste and water treatment
public schools
Times/UK: Lawyers Furious as US Builds (Gitmo) Death Chambers
LAWYERS expressed outrage yesterday at plans to put al-Qaeda suspects, including two Britons and an Australian, on military trial in Guantanamo Bay.
They would effectively be tried by a "kangaroo court", stripped of all basic rights of due process that would be afforded in criminal courts in Britain or America, they said.
...
He said: "The construction of execution chambers makes virtually every lawyer in the Western world extremely angry. The idea that there is an artificial creation or enclave which, according to the Americans, is beyond the purview of all recognised systems of law is repugnant."
...
Times/UK: Lawyers Furious as US Builds Death Chambers
The Courier Mail: US Plans Death Camp (May 26, 2003)
THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber.
Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday.
The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.
...
"This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists."
...
The Courier Mail: US Plans Death Camp
IMHO, it's a national security issue. We don't need to be exporting our expertise, we need home grown expertise that will stay in America.
Big buisness uses H1-B and L-1 visas to hire employees that they can pay well under the going rate for U.S. citizens. Small buisness doesn't have the overseas connections to hire folks with this so it only serves to give big buisness even more power over the start-ups.
Additional information on H1-B and L-1 visas:
Washtech.org
L1s Slip Past H-1B Curbs
Re: H1B and L1 visa influence US unemployment
After H1-B visa, L1 now bytes IT
I never disputed that Orwell said those things during WWII. What I am saying is that his earlier statements about pacifism are taken out of context as they are "exactly the kind of standard-issue Stalinist polemic that Orwell ended up so vigorously rejecting" in his later writings.
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You statements about the "starving people of Iraq" are exactly the types of statements that he warned against in later works:
"So far as it goes, the distinction between an atrocity and an act of war is valid. An atrocity means an act of terrorism which has no genuine military purpose. One must accept such distinctions if one accepts war at all, which in practice everyone does. Nevertheless, a world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet."
Source: George Orwell, "As I Please", Tribune, 31 December, 1943 http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/warguilt.htm
ksheff said:
c 1=War
"The starving people of Iraq only have Hussein to blame for their condition. It's obvious he has no problem letting them die if it makes him look good in the eyes of other radicals and it makes the whiny bleeding hearts in the West turn against their governments.
Pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. -- George Orwell, 1941"
I don't want to see Orwell's name attached to the type of non-critical thinking, nationalist(otherwise known as Orwellian) point of view that you are promoting. Therefore, I feel the need to correct you on this:
Orwell's own phrase "objective pro-fascist" (from a 1942 publication in the Partisan Review) is exactly the kind of standard-issue Stalinist polemic that Orwell ended up so vigorously rejecting in his best work. Orwell was never a Stalinist, but later said that he was driven to use language he regretted by "the lunatic atmosphere of war" (Partisan Review, 1944). That same year he specifically rejected the Stalinist use of the word "objective fascist" to smear people who are not Fascists at all, but who do things which others believe are helpful to Fascism ("As I Please", Dec. 1944)."
Source: http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/main.htm
"The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them."
Source: George Orwell, "Notes on Nationalism," 1945 http://www.zmag.org/quotes/quotesResults.cfm?topi
As for myself, I am neither a Hawk nor a Dove but something in the grey area, between. I have heard that this position is called an Owl. I seek justice, not revenge, and I question and research everything in support of the U.S.
I think that Judge Jackson is a very good Judge but the Appeals Court didn't want to break up M$. So the Appeals Court used this rather lame reason that Judge Jackson wasn't perfect in the way he spoke to the press. I'll have to do some more research on the biases of the judges on the Appeals court to feel confident one way or another if this is what happened, though. -Rick
-Rick
You are misinformed. The Republican Party are for tax breaks for *big* buisness. The Republican Party is also for a lax enforcement of anti-trust laws which hurt small buisnesses in a big way.
The Democratic Party has *always* been for the little guy. Whether poor, whether a small buisness, and in the past 35 years the civil rights movement.
Basically:
Republicans: BIG Buisnesses (Just look up Resident Bush's list of contributors)
Democrats: Small Buisnesses, Consumers, and Employees
-Rick