You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. What she was doing was NOT legal. No charges were "trumped up" beyond the actual offense committed.
There's really nothing to argue about that isn't pure speculation without having documentation.
Then look for information and post that instead of speculative apologetics for the authority figure.
You know what they said they were charging her with? Having a weapon: She was equipped with first aid gear and soap bubbles to keep the mood light, and jackbooted thugs arrested her, along with a thousand other peaceful protesters, as part of a systemic abuse of power throughout that weekend.
That is very well documented, just go look for "g20 toronto" and stay away from fox news, the wall street journal, and any other propaganda outlet of the g20, because they obviously won't say "we crush opposition with brute force and drown out their voice with capital investments in media", since that would defeat the purpose of that investment.
It's not illegal to blow bubbles, it's not illegal to carry eye wash, there is no legal nor constitutional reason for her arrest, and I have very negative emotions about people like you who support such flagrant abuses of power.
P.S. They say they're arresting her for that, it's bullshit off course. They have no real reason to arrest her, they'll make up some plausible-sounding charge later, or they'll release her along with the other thousand innocent people who were only acting on their right to protest their government, once they've been detained in order to prevent them from using their right, obviously. The "don't tase me bro" guy (lemme guess, you also approve of tasering journalism students who wait their turn to asks questions at public question and answer sessions with a presidential-candidate, don't you?), he was told he was "inciting a riot" when he asked why he was being arrested (before you claim those were just his word and I have no information: someone filmed the whole thing), but that's not what they charged him with, because they were just making shit up on the spot, but later the D.A. had time to think of something more plausible. Cops are for applying brute force, attorneys are there for the thinking.
She stopped when asked. Watch the video again. After he says "If the bubble touches me, you're going to be arrested for assault," no more bubbles are seen.
Right. Which is why I pointed out that it's interesting that there is no footage of her immediately prior to her arrest. According to this article, she wasn't even arrested for the bubbles.
However, according to CNews, Winkels [the lady] confirmed that she wasn’t arrested for blowing bubbles but instead detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm. She was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit mischief over $5,000.
So are people really upset that she was asked to stop or are they just misinformed due to suggestive editing in the video?
detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm.
How. Can you. Justify. ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR THAT!? What the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of twisted, fucked up upbringing made you so blindly submissive to authority that no matter how obvious it is that they are grossly abusing their power, you will keep saying that they are right to do what they do? You disgust me, you fascist pig, you're really a horrible, horrible person.
He didn't give her a warning. He gave her a threat.
I guess. He did give her a "threat" of arrest if she continued her behavior. Some might call that a "warning". It seems a pointless exercise in semantics.
No, he gave her an arbitrary order, followed by "or else". She was doing something perfectly legal, and a cop told her to stop or he would arrest her on a trumped up charge if she did not obey him immediately.
That's abuse of power. That's not something you should defend.
don't expect me to cry any tears over the injustice of it all
Oh, don't worry, I don't expect you to cry over an injustice. I expect you probably get half a hard-on when you witness an injustice, I figure your love for authority (and the limitless exercise thereof) must be conflated with your lust.
Oh, so that's why riots break out when the cops are around - the cops are acting like assholes and start it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday (august 2007) that their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.
She was put in custody because the police were arresting people en masse as part of a concerted effort to suppress free speech. A thousand people were held, their rights trampled, and eventually released. The whole thing is a travesty of democracy and justice, this is just one hilarious instance of abuse of police power amongts a general trend of fascism.
By that logic, allowing children to play with soap bubble is child endangerment.
That's not the case at all, though. The cop was being a dick about it, but the fact is that having soap in your eyes makes it more difficult to do your job.
If only he had glasses he could have worn to protect himself from that terrible, terrible danger the bubbles were exposing him to.
Hey, is this behavior ok with you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeT0FZJRJQ I mean, this isn't the kind of callous behavior on par with blowing bubbles at a cop, but a cop shooting someone point blank with a smoke cartridge, that's perfectly acceptable behavior, ain't it?
It is endangerment if you blow it into the child's eyes and get soap in the child's eyes and ignore the child's cries of pain.
Nope, that's full on assault, it's endangerment simply to blow bubbles near a child, since blowing bubbles near a cop is a danger to that fit and trained adult, imagine what a soap bubble could do to small kid! When the bubble pops, it's gonna rip the kid's head right off!
I seem to remember our unwilling and drafted army not exactly being shining examples of professionalism and respect towards civilians during Vietnam and I'd rather not inflict the same damage here.
If only everyone obeyed every order the police gives them, huh? If only that chick would understand that once he puts on his uniform, he's the boss of her...
I know we didn't get to see the crowd very well, but the part of we we did see in that video was anything but ugly. Mostly just people milling about, taking pictures, and one lady blowing bubbles. It wasn't exactly a mob situation. It didn't even sound very angry in the background.
This is a G20 summit meeting, these people are there to protest their policies. Therefore, they are opposed to the entrenched power, therefore they are to subdued, beaten, and subjugated. That is what Toronto Police constable Adam Josephs was telling himself, as he wished the camera wasn't there so he could show that little white bitch who's the real man in that street. Sure, Adam Joseph probably can't get "it" up, but the city of Toronto conveniently provides him with a big black rod he can use for just such an occasion.
Yes, I believe Toronto Police Const. Adam Josephs is a potential rapist, and believe that he does not routinely act on his impulses only because he has difficulty maintaining an erection. I do hope that litigious bastard doesn't find out who I am, he would surely sue me, and attempt to insert his night stick in my rectum to compensate for his lack of genital endowment through acts of abuse of power such as the one depicted in the video.
For elected leaders I can maybe understand that logic, but that doesn't make the least bit of sense for police officers. Would you prefer there to be some sort of draft for police officers? So the cop responding to your 911 intruder call is some scared housewife or accountant who got drafted last month and is liable to shoot the first thing that moves when they come through the door?
Nah, I'd much prefer to have a thug who got into the job because it comes with a gun, a stick, and the right to use those without consequences. Do you want me to fetch a bunch of "trained officers shoots up innocent people" links to prove the inanity of your point, or can you manage that yourself?
I don't think it's all that hard for an adult to understand that blowing soap bubbles into a police officers face is going to get you arrested, and he did give her the courtesy of a warning first. I don't really see the controversy there. Well, not unless people are unable to disentagle the word "bubble" from the "soap" part. Blowing a rather effective eye irritant in a cops direction isn't likely to end well, no matter if it's in bubble or other form.
By that logic, allowing children to play with soap bubble is child endangerment.
Just because you lacked the mental capacity to understand my point does not give you free reign to insult.
Just because your mother is a whore doesn't make you less of a fucking little shit, you hypocrite. "Oh, it's not ok to insult people *insults people*", you godwin a thread and act superior? Eat shit and die.
Do you really think that publicly funded science wouldn't be better off under the Liberals, NDP or even the Bloc? And that scientists in Canada feel the same? I don't see that as a rational position at all. I'm out of the science loop lately, but the Conservatives have creationists in important positions, and they love cutting spending in everything but military and police expenses. I don't see how the fact that scientists use the resources of their union to fight the collective power of the Conservative detracts from the validity of their position.
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If they just act without thinking, why not use machines instead?
Seems like it would be cheaper.
Drop the bubble soap. You have fifteen seconds to comply...
You now have ten seconds to comply...
*plop*
Five. Four. Three. Two. One... I am now authorized to use force: *takataktaktaka*
Do you think he might buy you dinner first, or is he cheap too?
Constable Adam Josephs doesn't look like a date-rapist, he seems more like a man cut from the same cloth as Colonel Russell Williams.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. What she was doing was NOT legal. No charges were "trumped up" beyond the actual offense committed.
Facts only? Ok: Linked quotes or STFU.
A cute young woman, merrily blowing bubbles, calmly answering questions when talked to politely.
For you to equate that with...
going up to someone and yelling in their face with the intent of distracting or antagonizing them
...that, you must have absolutely no honesty in you, none at all. You're a troll made of pure suck.
There's really nothing to argue about that isn't pure speculation without having documentation.
Then look for information and post that instead of speculative apologetics for the authority figure.
You know what they said they were charging her with? Having a weapon: She was equipped with first aid gear and soap bubbles to keep the mood light, and jackbooted thugs arrested her, along with a thousand other peaceful protesters, as part of a systemic abuse of power throughout that weekend.
That is very well documented, just go look for "g20 toronto" and stay away from fox news, the wall street journal, and any other propaganda outlet of the g20, because they obviously won't say "we crush opposition with brute force and drown out their voice with capital investments in media", since that would defeat the purpose of that investment.
It's not illegal to blow bubbles, it's not illegal to carry eye wash, there is no legal nor constitutional reason for her arrest, and I have very negative emotions about people like you who support such flagrant abuses of power.
P.S. They say they're arresting her for that, it's bullshit off course. They have no real reason to arrest her, they'll make up some plausible-sounding charge later, or they'll release her along with the other thousand innocent people who were only acting on their right to protest their government, once they've been detained in order to prevent them from using their right, obviously.
The "don't tase me bro" guy (lemme guess, you also approve of tasering journalism students who wait their turn to asks questions at public question and answer sessions with a presidential-candidate, don't you?), he was told he was "inciting a riot" when he asked why he was being arrested (before you claim those were just his word and I have no information: someone filmed the whole thing), but that's not what they charged him with, because they were just making shit up on the spot, but later the D.A. had time to think of something more plausible. Cops are for applying brute force, attorneys are there for the thinking.
This girl is the same the 8-yr old kid who got in your face hollering "I'm not touching you" over and over, then couldn't believe he got punched.
That, I can't contradict. She got off easy, too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeT0FZJRJQ
Well he is getting paid for it. Not only is it her right to be there, the most important part of his job is to make sure she can be there.
Does that mean I have the right to walk up in public to a public employee and distract them by blowing bubbles at them
Yes, sheep, you have the right to do that. We all have the right to blow bubles in public places. It's not a crime.
She stopped when asked. Watch the video again. After he says "If the bubble touches me, you're going to be arrested for assault," no more bubbles are seen.
Right. Which is why I pointed out that it's interesting that there is no footage of her immediately prior to her arrest. According to this article, she wasn't even arrested for the bubbles.
However, according to CNews, Winkels [the lady] confirmed that she wasn’t arrested for blowing bubbles but instead detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm. She was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit mischief over $5,000.
So are people really upset that she was asked to stop or are they just misinformed due to suggestive editing in the video?
detained for wearing a backpack and having a lawyer’s number written on her arm.
How. Can you. Justify. ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR THAT!? What the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of twisted, fucked up upbringing made you so blindly submissive to authority that no matter how obvious it is that they are grossly abusing their power, you will keep saying that they are right to do what they do? You disgust me, you fascist pig, you're really a horrible, horrible person.
He didn't give her a warning. He gave her a threat.
I guess. He did give her a "threat" of arrest if she continued her behavior. Some might call that a "warning". It seems a pointless exercise in semantics.
No, he gave her an arbitrary order, followed by "or else". She was doing something perfectly legal, and a cop told her to stop or he would arrest her on a trumped up charge if she did not obey him immediately.
That's abuse of power. That's not something you should defend.
don't expect me to cry any tears over the injustice of it all
Oh, don't worry, I don't expect you to cry over an injustice. I expect you probably get half a hard-on when you witness an injustice, I figure your love for authority (and the limitless exercise thereof) must be conflated with your lust.
Oh, so that's why riots break out when the cops are around - the cops are acting like assholes and start it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg
Quebec provincial police admitted Thursday (august 2007) that their officers disguised themselves as demonstrators during the protest at the North American leaders summit in Montebello, Que.
They need to collectively countersue him for legal fees.
Seriously, how is this sue worthy:
Pussymcfats wrote in response, “officer bubbles probably looks at himself in the mirror a lot.”
Since the truth hurts, that guy was inflicting emotional distress! Won't somebody PLEASE think of the narcissists?
It's interesting that the video shows no footage immediately prior to the arrest, so we really don't know why she was put into custody.
Here's context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_LB_ZhcTA&NR=1
She was put in custody because the police were arresting people en masse as part of a concerted effort to suppress free speech. A thousand people were held, their rights trampled, and eventually released. The whole thing is a travesty of democracy and justice, this is just one hilarious instance of abuse of police power amongts a general trend of fascism.
By that logic, allowing children to play with soap bubble is child endangerment.
That's not the case at all, though. The cop was being a dick about it, but the fact is that having soap in your eyes makes it more difficult to do your job.
If only he had glasses he could have worn to protect himself from that terrible, terrible danger the bubbles were exposing him to.
Hey, is this behavior ok with you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeT0FZJRJQ I mean, this isn't the kind of callous behavior on par with blowing bubbles at a cop, but a cop shooting someone point blank with a smoke cartridge, that's perfectly acceptable behavior, ain't it?
It is endangerment if you blow it into the child's eyes and get soap in the child's eyes and ignore the child's cries of pain.
Nope, that's full on assault, it's endangerment simply to blow bubbles near a child, since blowing bubbles near a cop is a danger to that fit and trained adult, imagine what a soap bubble could do to small kid! When the bubble pops, it's gonna rip the kid's head right off!
I seem to remember our unwilling and drafted army not exactly being shining examples of professionalism and respect towards civilians during Vietnam and I'd rather not inflict the same damage here.
Enjoy the fine police work of Toronto, then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZeT0FZJRJQ
And about an all volunteer army and professionalism: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11557235
If only everyone obeyed every order the police gives them, huh? If only that chick would understand that once he puts on his uniform, he's the boss of her...
I know we didn't get to see the crowd very well, but the part of we we did see in that video was anything but ugly. Mostly just people milling about, taking pictures, and one lady blowing bubbles. It wasn't exactly a mob situation. It didn't even sound very angry in the background.
This is a G20 summit meeting, these people are there to protest their policies. Therefore, they are opposed to the entrenched power, therefore they are to subdued, beaten, and subjugated. That is what Toronto Police constable Adam Josephs was telling himself, as he wished the camera wasn't there so he could show that little white bitch who's the real man in that street. Sure, Adam Joseph probably can't get "it" up, but the city of Toronto conveniently provides him with a big black rod he can use for just such an occasion.
Yes, I believe Toronto Police Const. Adam Josephs is a potential rapist, and believe that he does not routinely act on his impulses only because he has difficulty maintaining an erection. I do hope that litigious bastard doesn't find out who I am, he would surely sue me, and attempt to insert his night stick in my rectum to compensate for his lack of genital endowment through acts of abuse of power such as the one depicted in the video.
So any threat/ by the police is justifiable. That's an interesting view of the law you have there.
To some people, deference to authority is the highest achievement one can strive for.
For elected leaders I can maybe understand that logic, but that doesn't make the least bit of sense for police officers. Would you prefer there to be some sort of draft for police officers? So the cop responding to your 911 intruder call is some scared housewife or accountant who got drafted last month and is liable to shoot the first thing that moves when they come through the door?
Nah, I'd much prefer to have a thug who got into the job because it comes with a gun, a stick, and the right to use those without consequences.
Do you want me to fetch a bunch of "trained officers shoots up innocent people" links to prove the inanity of your point, or can you manage that yourself?
Standard crowd control tactics. If you're facing an ugly mob
Cute girl blowing bubbles scares the ever living shit out of a 6+ feet tall, heavily armed and well backed-up man, see it on youTube!
If you're Canadian, you might have a problem, but Americans can tell this douche to stuff it.
From the safety of their free speech cage.
I don't think it's all that hard for an adult to understand that blowing soap bubbles into a police officers face is going to get you arrested, and he did give her the courtesy of a warning first. I don't really see the controversy there. Well, not unless people are unable to disentagle the word "bubble" from the "soap" part. Blowing a rather effective eye irritant in a cops direction isn't likely to end well, no matter if it's in bubble or other form.
By that logic, allowing children to play with soap bubble is child endangerment.
Sue me.
Just because you lacked the mental capacity to understand my point does not give you free reign to insult.
Just because your mother is a whore doesn't make you less of a fucking little shit, you hypocrite. "Oh, it's not ok to insult people *insults people*", you godwin a thread and act superior? Eat shit and die.
Do you really think that publicly funded science wouldn't be better off under the Liberals, NDP or even the Bloc? And that scientists in Canada feel the same?
I don't see that as a rational position at all.
I'm out of the science loop lately, but the Conservatives have creationists in important positions, and they love cutting spending in everything but military and police expenses. I don't see how the fact that scientists use the resources of their union to fight the collective power of the Conservative detracts from the validity of their position.
you have a great skill at insulting people!
Yup, lots of practice.