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This is an odd argument;
I'm an odd person...
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that women are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
From women, mostly...
They're doing the same things that the guys are doing -- trying to navigate a mess of changing stanards when nobody knows what the rules are.
Ok, I admit I blame feminism for that mess...
Most women who believe in gender equality don't call themselves feminists because of this very belief. I personally don't declare myself a feminist because of the stigma it carries; but I agree with the movement. What does that make me? A closet feminist?
Well, I have no quarry with gender equality (when reasonable, I sometimes have to bring my 100 pound female friends back to reality with a friendly shoving and arm wrestling contest, I do not want to let them continue to believe that they are are strong as me, there are dangerous guys out there and its not safe to think that you can take on a guy twice your size because propaganda says that women are strong too).
So if there were a gender equality movement, I wouldn't bitch about it...although my position on feminism remains: Decayed, corrupted.
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#1: Feminism has reached its goals(??): [...] (Hey! I can get a loan all by myself!)
Yes, see!
My interpretation of feminism is that it would be ideal to have society be gender blind in situations where gender is not a necessary component.
Ok, so that's why you say the goals haven't been reached: You want an eutopia. Here's the thing, feminism keeps on expanding and expanding, adding new goals everytime one is met...its has been corrupted by greed and powerlust. No matter what you get, it'll never be enough...not good.
I reached that conclusion when I was reading about the salary injustice. Apparently, women doing the same job as men still sometimes get lower salaries, wich is sad, but its mostly inertia, the gap is getting smaller and smaller (good thing, right?) BUT what I read then horrified me: They then went on to talk about how they demanded equivalancies, that a woman in a traditionally womanly job get the same salary as a man in an "equivalent" traditional man job. Their example was a secretary and a trucker. Bullshit. A secreteray's job is not at all equivalent to a trucker's job. Truckers put their lives on the line, if the copy machine gets screwy and the secretary has to fix it, it is not equivalent of a truck that you have to fix on the side of the road, with possibly drunk drivers barreling next to you, possibly while its 20 below zero, etc. This is the kind of feminist dogma that upsets me, its greed dressed up as justice.
We haven't even really started to hit the backlash of men's gender inequity yet.
Well, yes we have. Look at the other replies, someone made a good point about portrayal of men in the media. That constitute, at the very least, a start.
And one reason why I say that feminism has decayed into nothing more than a specialised for of sexism is precisely because you don't think that the backlash has started. I feel this implies that feminists will not be satisfied until men get "what they deserve", what women had before: Reduced rights, discrimination, etc. Feminism includes revenge fantasies amongst its nebulous goals...
Of course not all feminists have revenge fantasies like that, must be a couple dozen that are decent about it. But every girl (feel free to call me a boy) I've met who described herself as a feminist was hostile towards men.
And I do feel that the most recent batch of women (early twenties) think that feminism is "me me me!", having their cake and eating it too: They demand to be treated equally, and at the same time expect the guy to pay for diner and to open the door. Wich is it? You want to be treated like and equal or like and invalid child? If you have a job and you are reasonably healthy, you pay for your chow and you open your own door. I pay for children and women, and I open doors for handicaped and women. That is not equality.
There, no karma bonus so I won't waste too much mod points...
Hi, I was just reading your last posted comment wich was about movies, but that discussion is closed and I can't reply there (I had missed it, saw it was there when I meta moderated a comment from it).
Well, I mostly agree with you, except that you liked T3, and I can't fanthom why.
Of course, I'm asking you to reply off-topic too, wich is icky, but if you have a better idea, I'm all ears (maybe a journal entry or something, where we won't be OT?)
Aaaanyways:
I was severely disappointed by the Matrix sequels more than anything else. Those who respond that I "just don't get it" are missing the fact that while the IDEAS were sound, the EXECUTION left everything to be desired. A movie needs STORY, PLOT and AUDIENCE EMPATHY to be successful, not just eye candy, which while great doesn't keep you coming back over and over again.
But...T3 was all eye candy!
I felt actually insulted by that movie, I wanted to ask a refund, it was the worst movie I had seen in years, but you liked it, and then you didn't like M3 for very legitimate reasons that should make you not like T3 too...
So I'm confused and genuinly interrested in your thoughts on T3 (I also want to give you a few examples of mind-boggin awfullness from T3) : )
My job is outsourcing. Although we mainly do surplus work for companies who find themselves having to meet many deadlines at once and who's internal ressources are not threatened by us, we don't do the evil outsourcing : )
There is a place for outsourcing, it is not necesserally (sp?) bad, but it is a tool that must be used wisely, and we have been seeing many cases of this tool being used unwisely recently.
But your general point about forcing this kind of globalisation still stands, I just wanted to defend myself and my work. : )
Seriously. That ranks up there with always referring to presidential assassins by their full name.
I'm pretty sure that that is done to reduce the stigma associated with having the same name as a presidential assassin.
Imagine: you just sent out your resume for your dream job, you're qualified, your application is filled out perfectly, and the news comes on that a guy with the same first and last name as yours just shot the president...aren't you glad that you included your middle initial and that they're using his full name, with a different middle name? Heck, it gives you something to talk about at the interview instead of forcing you to legally change your name.
As for DVD-Jon, well, its his nickname. Feel free to call him DeCSS-Jon or "The Amazing Decrypto: Righter of Wrongs" if you like...
Ask yourself this question... the people who go on Fear Factor... the people who fly solo across Antarctica... the people who sail across the Pacific alone, with no radio... I bet most of them are in pretty great shape. I bet you could get 1000 of them to volunteer for a manned Mars mission in 2006 in a heartbeat. I bet out of that 1000 -- these are people who climb mountains and run triathalons, remember -- at least 50 or 100 of the candidates would be able to pass a training program and be "able" to fly to Mars.
We could air the whole thing on Fox! Think of the ratings!
"...and what they don't know is that there is no rocket, they are in fact in an undisclosed Fox studio and only think that they are astronauts!"
Could add a cute girl who's forced to date a bunch of fat guys during the sweeps part of the "mission"...
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It doesnt matter if its the ad break during the football, oprah, or the news - the results are always that we see more positive women, and more negative men.
Eh, you want to skew the results, do it during "Everybody loves(sic) Raymond", that'll tip the scales!
Yes, well, you see, women (there must be exceptions...but I've never met one) don't realise it because they think (really on opic with the article here) that this is well and proper and how things should be. Its brainwashing at its finest: Its subliminal, yet hiding in plain sight.
The repetitiveness is part of it too, its a sad fact that humans tend to accept as true something that is repeated often enough. Hell, did you ever see the proof that Osama Bin Laden was the one that planned the 9/11 thing? They used to say they had secret proof, and he was the "alleged" mastermind for a while, and then the "alleged" dropped. He might be, he might not be (innocent until proven guilty), but I find it equally fascinating that we are not meant to question that, we are supposed to accept it, since it was (is) repeated often enough.
But, the thing I found interresting about the article is that he didn't offer any examples, he just encouraged people to do the mental exercise to look for these things. Makes me wonder what things I have been drilled to accept that I haven't noticed yet.
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That's the weakest thing I've seen posted by a non-AC.
you mean that: "Spelling fixed asshole. Now either join the reasoned debate or maybe you should pack it up and go home. "?
Yes, the insult, the false claim, the (attempted) intimidation...
Its exactly what the article was talking about, idiots will not tolerate that you say things that are against the accepted norm of conformity and will attack you irrationally while claiming that you are the irrational one, amongst other insults designed to drown out what you have to say.
Then again, you seem to agree, even put me on your lil' enemies list...good job.
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Weak.
Well, you're a separate idiot, so I'll indulge you just this once.
Since you won't debate and for such a lame reason
The reason is that the "debate" would be with an idiot. That's a damn fine reason. He started insulting me, if he wanted a reasonable debate, he would have acted reasonably instead of acting the way he did and claiming falsly that he wanted a reasonable debate.
I consider everything you have writen flamebait.
Ah, yes, that is why I consider you an idiot: If I get flamed I must be flame bait...sigh.
The only thing you apparently wanted to acheive was to piss someone off.
RTFA
Weak. This also shows your fear.
Said the person hiding behind a keyboard, offering nothing but unsubstatiated insults and repetitive vagueries...
You should have fought back right away and called the cops on her.
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First of all, you're proving the article's point.
Second, learn to spell dammit, its femi nism. I wrote it correctly, you quoted me writing it correctly, and yet you constantly spelled it wrong, seven times! So I'll just ignore your views on a topic you can't spell right even when you see it spelled right...
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3) I disagree with this, but I'd still like to hear your arguments (if you or any other slashdotters present actually want to make that argument)
About feminism:
Feminism was once needed, back in a time when 50% of the population's potential was stiffled from birth, being a woman meant that you couldn't do many things simply because you were a woman, and not because you actually couldn't do them. No woman doctors, no woman mathematicians, etc. That was bad, feminism fought that, and that was good.
But since feminism reached its goals (enjoy that voting and education girls), feminism has stagnated and has decayed into nothing more than a form of sexism.
Now feminist dogma is that men are evil, that every "macho" characteristic are bad. And it both enforces unrealistic feminisation of men and masculinisation of women.
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A lot of manpower? Yes. A waste? Of course. Do I agree with it? Sure.
Hehehe
Never underestimate Brazil's revenge : )
required fingerprints and photographs only for north americans.
Brasil is fingerprinting Canadians and Mexicans too?
We haven't even really started to hit the backlash of men's gender inequity yet.
Not of men, but of boys perhaps?
Took me a while, but that's an interresting article.
Kevin Bacon's Tartrate number is, of course, 6.
: )
This is an odd argument;
I'm an odd person...
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that women are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
From women, mostly...
They're doing the same things that the guys are doing -- trying to navigate a mess of changing stanards when nobody knows what the rules are.
Ok, I admit I blame feminism for that mess...
Most women who believe in gender equality don't call themselves feminists because of this very belief. I personally don't declare myself a feminist because of the stigma it carries; but I agree with the movement. What does that make me? A closet feminist?
Well, I have no quarry with gender equality (when reasonable, I sometimes have to bring my 100 pound female friends back to reality with a friendly shoving and arm wrestling contest, I do not want to let them continue to believe that they are are strong as me, there are dangerous guys out there and its not safe to think that you can take on a guy twice your size because propaganda says that women are strong too).
So if there were a gender equality movement, I wouldn't bitch about it...although my position on feminism remains: Decayed, corrupted.
Ah, you know, I hope all replies to that post are AC : )
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Oh boy! Where do I sign up for my free registration! Here's my name, age, adress...
Sigh.
#1: Feminism has reached its goals(??): [...] (Hey! I can get a loan all by myself!)
Yes, see!
My interpretation of feminism is that it would be ideal to have society be gender blind in situations where gender is not a necessary component.
Ok, so that's why you say the goals haven't been reached: You want an eutopia.
Here's the thing, feminism keeps on expanding and expanding, adding new goals everytime one is met...its has been corrupted by greed and powerlust. No matter what you get, it'll never be enough...not good.
I reached that conclusion when I was reading about the salary injustice. Apparently, women doing the same job as men still sometimes get lower salaries, wich is sad, but its mostly inertia, the gap is getting smaller and smaller (good thing, right?) BUT what I read then horrified me: They then went on to talk about how they demanded equivalancies, that a woman in a traditionally womanly job get the same salary as a man in an "equivalent" traditional man job. Their example was a secretary and a trucker.
Bullshit.
A secreteray's job is not at all equivalent to a trucker's job. Truckers put their lives on the line, if the copy machine gets screwy and the secretary has to fix it, it is not equivalent of a truck that you have to fix on the side of the road, with possibly drunk drivers barreling next to you, possibly while its 20 below zero, etc. This is the kind of feminist dogma that upsets me, its greed dressed up as justice.
We haven't even really started to hit the backlash of men's gender inequity yet.
Well, yes we have.
Look at the other replies, someone made a good point about portrayal of men in the media. That constitute, at the very least, a start.
And one reason why I say that feminism has decayed into nothing more than a specialised for of sexism is precisely because you don't think that the backlash has started.
I feel this implies that feminists will not be satisfied until men get "what they deserve", what women had before: Reduced rights, discrimination, etc. Feminism includes revenge fantasies amongst its nebulous goals...
Of course not all feminists have revenge fantasies like that, must be a couple dozen that are decent about it. But every girl (feel free to call me a boy) I've met who described herself as a feminist was hostile towards men.
And I do feel that the most recent batch of women (early twenties) think that feminism is "me me me!", having their cake and eating it too: They demand to be treated equally, and at the same time expect the guy to pay for diner and to open the door.
Wich is it? You want to be treated like and equal or like and invalid child? If you have a job and you are reasonably healthy, you pay for your chow and you open your own door.
I pay for children and women, and I open doors for handicaped and women. That is not equality.
If you believe Saab's advertising, the Gripen was the prototype for their new sports car :-)
That explains the price : )
your simulator would soon be hundreds of miles away...
Or going around in circles, duh.
Man, it's too bad there isn't a +1, Self-Delusional.
... isn't outsourcing?
My job
What?
Needs a -1, Confusing too I guess...
There, no karma bonus so I won't waste too much mod points...
Hi, I was just reading your last posted comment wich was about movies, but that discussion is closed and I can't reply there (I had missed it, saw it was there when I meta moderated a comment from it).
Well, I mostly agree with you, except that you liked T3, and I can't fanthom why.
Of course, I'm asking you to reply off-topic too, wich is icky, but if you have a better idea, I'm all ears (maybe a journal entry or something, where we won't be OT?)
Aaaanyways:
I was severely disappointed by the Matrix sequels more than anything else. Those who respond that I "just don't get it" are missing the fact that while the IDEAS were sound, the EXECUTION left everything to be desired. A movie needs STORY, PLOT and AUDIENCE EMPATHY to be successful, not just eye candy, which while great doesn't keep you coming back over and over again.
But...T3 was all eye candy!
I felt actually insulted by that movie, I wanted to ask a refund, it was the worst movie I had seen in years, but you liked it, and then you didn't like M3 for very legitimate reasons that should make you not like T3 too...
So I'm confused and genuinly interrested in your thoughts on T3 (I also want to give you a few examples of mind-boggin awfullness from T3) : )
Sorry about the OT reply folks...
My job is outsourcing.
Although we mainly do surplus work for companies who find themselves having to meet many deadlines at once and who's internal ressources are not threatened by us, we don't do the evil outsourcing : )
There is a place for outsourcing, it is not necesserally (sp?) bad, but it is a tool that must be used wisely, and we have been seeing many cases of this tool being used unwisely recently.
But your general point about forcing this kind of globalisation still stands, I just wanted to defend myself and my work. : )
Seriously. That ranks up there with always referring to presidential assassins by their full name.
I'm pretty sure that that is done to reduce the stigma associated with having the same name as a presidential assassin.
Imagine: you just sent out your resume for your dream job, you're qualified, your application is filled out perfectly, and the news comes on that a guy with the same first and last name as yours just shot the president...aren't you glad that you included your middle initial and that they're using his full name, with a different middle name?
Heck, it gives you something to talk about at the interview instead of forcing you to legally change your name.
As for DVD-Jon, well, its his nickname. Feel free to call him DeCSS-Jon or "The Amazing Decrypto: Righter of Wrongs" if you like...
Ask yourself this question... the people who go on Fear Factor... the people who fly solo across Antarctica... the people who sail across the Pacific alone, with no radio... I bet most of them are in pretty great shape. I bet you could get 1000 of them to volunteer for a manned Mars mission in 2006 in a heartbeat. I bet out of that 1000 -- these are people who climb mountains and run triathalons, remember -- at least 50 or 100 of the candidates would be able to pass a training program and be "able" to fly to Mars.
We could air the whole thing on Fox! Think of the ratings!
"...and what they don't know is that there is no rocket, they are in fact in an undisclosed Fox studio and only think that they are astronauts!"
Could add a cute girl who's forced to date a bunch of fat guys during the sweeps part of the "mission"...
It doesnt matter if its the ad break during the football, oprah, or the news - the results are always that we see more positive women, and more negative men.
Eh, you want to skew the results, do it during "Everybody loves(sic) Raymond", that'll tip the scales!
Yes, well, you see, women (there must be exceptions...but I've never met one) don't realise it because they think (really on opic with the article here) that this is well and proper and how things should be. Its brainwashing at its finest: Its subliminal, yet hiding in plain sight.
The repetitiveness is part of it too, its a sad fact that humans tend to accept as true something that is repeated often enough.
Hell, did you ever see the proof that Osama Bin Laden was the one that planned the 9/11 thing? They used to say they had secret proof, and he was the "alleged" mastermind for a while, and then the "alleged" dropped. He might be, he might not be (innocent until proven guilty), but I find it equally fascinating that we are not meant to question that, we are supposed to accept it, since it was (is) repeated often enough.
But, the thing I found interresting about the article is that he didn't offer any examples, he just encouraged people to do the mental exercise to look for these things.
Makes me wonder what things I have been drilled to accept that I haven't noticed yet.
That's the weakest thing I've seen posted by a non-AC.
you mean that: "Spelling fixed asshole. Now either join the reasoned debate or maybe you should pack it up and go home. "?
Yes, the insult, the false claim, the (attempted) intimidation...
Its exactly what the article was talking about, idiots will not tolerate that you say things that are against the accepted norm of conformity and will attack you irrationally while claiming that you are the irrational one, amongst other insults designed to drown out what you have to say.
Then again, you seem to agree, even put me on your lil' enemies list...good job.
Weak.
Well, you're a separate idiot, so I'll indulge you just this once.
Since you won't debate and for such a lame reason
The reason is that the "debate" would be with an idiot. That's a damn fine reason. He started insulting me, if he wanted a reasonable debate, he would have acted reasonably instead of acting the way he did and claiming falsly that he wanted a reasonable debate.
I consider everything you have writen flamebait.
Ah, yes, that is why I consider you an idiot: If I get flamed I must be flame bait...sigh.
The only thing you apparently wanted to acheive was to piss someone off.
RTFA
Weak. This also shows your fear.
Said the person hiding behind a keyboard, offering nothing but unsubstatiated insults and repetitive vagueries...
So "she hit me in the head with a hammer" is mitigating factors and not cause for legitimate defense? Damn!
Lets quote the article:I will not argue with you.
Chomsky's brilliant work "The Manufacturing of Consent"
Actually, its just "Manufacturing Consent".
Hindsight...
You should have fought back right away and called the cops on her.
First of all, you're proving the article's point.
Second, learn to spell dammit, its fem i nism. I wrote it correctly, you quoted me writing it correctly, and yet you constantly spelled it wrong, seven times!
So I'll just ignore your views on a topic you can't spell right even when you see it spelled right...
But you can quote:
I'm a big fan on crotch shots
: )
3) I disagree with this, but I'd still like to hear your arguments (if you or any other slashdotters present actually want to make that argument)
About feminism:
Feminism was once needed, back in a time when 50% of the population's potential was stiffled from birth, being a woman meant that you couldn't do many things simply because you were a woman, and not because you actually couldn't do them. No woman doctors, no woman mathematicians, etc.
That was bad, feminism fought that, and that was good.
But since feminism reached its goals (enjoy that voting and education girls), feminism has stagnated and has decayed into nothing more than a form of sexism.
Now feminist dogma is that men are evil, that every "macho" characteristic are bad. And it both enforces unrealistic feminisation of men and masculinisation of women.