Back in the 1970's the same global warming scaremongers were telling us that a new global ice age was coming.:-) [rest snipped]
Obviously, you are a victim of incompetent media. I hope this post clears it a little up.
The "global warming scaremongers" are the highly competent members of the club of rome, more specifically the scientists researching for them. Go ahead and read their reports on their archive page.
If you would have taken the time to read their climate report (which, judging from your words, you haven't) you would have read, that they predicted in the seventies a global warming by 2 to 5 Degrees until 2020 with unforseeable implications for the far future - that included the possibility of an Ice Age. (FYI: The highest verifiable CO2 concentration was measured in an ice-age layer and rounded about 430 ppm, the concentration Today is about 520ppm. In the 70s they thought that it was likely that the high atmospheric co2 concentration was the reason for the ice-age, whereas today it seems to be more likely that the iceage (lack of vegetation) was the reason for the high co2.)
The climate is something very slow, it takes about 40-50 years for FCKW's and CO2 to spread in the athmosphere (esp. the FCKW needs time to gain altitude, because their main "function" is the destroyment of the high flying ozone molecules that protects us from the dangerous parts of the sunlight) and show actual climate effects.
What we are experiencing today are the effects of garbage we blew in the athmosphere in the 1960's. As you may know this lead to the removal of the natural UV-protection, known as The Ozone Hole (Which is somehow ridiculous, since a hole has something around it.)
The actions that were taken in the 70's to reduce FCKW output will lead to the possibility, that the athmosphere will start to recover in about 10 to 20 years. Now back to the "climate".
The global warming is happening, no serious scientist would object that, it is just a question of "how much" and, even more important, "what are the impacts on weather".
As you may have heard we are in serious trouble. The relatively small change of 1.5 Degrees in average temperature may not lead to newly drawn lines on the climate-map, but in parallel to this average temperature rise runs a much more dangerous change in the style of weather.
The evidence is there that the higher the average temperature rises (that is just a tiny degree), the more instable the weather conditions are. An indication is the vast amount of floods and storms the earth has experienced in the last 20 years (Note: I treat this as a change in weather, not in climate, since climate is per definition the average weather condition over a looong time). The Temperatures may not change in their average value (the average may even fall), but the range between min and max temperature is much bigger. Recent bushfires are just a symptome, since the summer and autumn get hotter and dryer and the winter and spring get colder and more wet.
So although we may not see a rise in average temperature, and thus in climate, the weather will get more out of control. We have already ruined the ozone sphere, we have erased half of the rainforest, the general pollution rises. More than a thousand species are vanishing per day forever from the face of this planet. The storms endanger the soils in the large wheat areas in the US and Russia. We may survive that, but we'll never be the same - And if it goes on like that, the only surviving species were ants, rats, humans and cockroaches, it almost makes me think:-).
When saying "we" I mean "mankind", I didn't accuse you (or me) of burning down half of "our" rainforest;-)
Global warming is no subject of belief. As others have pointed out in this thread too, it's a matter of fact. Everything else is Corporate FUD. And If someone tells you, that we could change the climate back to where it was in just a government period, thats just bullshit. These are marketforces that emerge from the average peoples low attention span and unwillingness to consider thoughts that are more than two recursions deep, thus resulting in an oversimplified and sometimes wrong picture. The media uses these scientific facts to start just another crusade, because thats the nescessity of the Economic System we live in. The one who shouts the loudest (and simplifies the most) wins. Because he meets the average peoples need for simple black/white explanations.
These leads people that are a little more able to think, but haven't been educated for media competence to wrong assumptions and makes them more exposable to Corporate FUD.
We are fucked up already. Everything we do now, we do to make our childrens children live in a lovelier (possibly even green) world.
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Obviously, you are a victim of incompetent media. I hope this post clears it a little up.
The "global warming scaremongers" are the highly competent members of the club of rome, more specifically the scientists researching for them. Go ahead and read their reports on their archive page.
If you would have taken the time to read their climate report (which, judging from your words, you haven't) you would have read, that they predicted in the seventies a global warming by 2 to 5 Degrees until 2020 with unforseeable implications for the far future - that included the possibility of an Ice Age. (FYI: The highest verifiable CO2 concentration was measured in an ice-age layer and rounded about 430 ppm, the concentration Today is about 520ppm. In the 70s they thought that it was likely that the high atmospheric co2 concentration was the reason for the ice-age, whereas today it seems to be more likely that the iceage (lack of vegetation) was the reason for the high co2.)
The climate is something very slow, it takes about 40-50 years for FCKW's and CO2 to spread in the athmosphere (esp. the FCKW needs time to gain altitude, because their main "function" is the destroyment of the high flying ozone molecules that protects us from the dangerous parts of the sunlight) and show actual climate effects.
What we are experiencing today are the effects of garbage we blew in the athmosphere in the 1960's. As you may know this lead to the removal of the natural UV-protection, known as The Ozone Hole (Which is somehow ridiculous, since a hole has something around it.)
The actions that were taken in the 70's to reduce FCKW output will lead to the possibility, that the athmosphere will start to recover in about 10 to 20 years. Now back to the "climate".
The global warming is happening, no serious scientist would object that, it is just a question of "how much" and, even more important, "what are the impacts on weather".
As you may have heard we are in serious trouble. The relatively small change of 1.5 Degrees in average temperature may not lead to newly drawn lines on the climate-map, but in parallel to this average temperature rise runs a much more dangerous change in the style of weather.
The evidence is there that the higher the average temperature rises (that is just a tiny degree), the more instable the weather conditions are. An indication is the vast amount of floods and storms the earth has experienced in the last 20 years (Note: I treat this as a change in weather, not in climate, since climate is per definition the average weather condition over a looong time). The Temperatures may not change in their average value (the average may even fall), but the range between min and max temperature is much bigger. Recent bushfires are just a symptome, since the summer and autumn get hotter and dryer and the winter and spring get colder and more wet.
So although we may not see a rise in average temperature, and thus in climate, the weather will get more out of control. We have already ruined the ozone sphere, we have erased half of the rainforest, the general pollution rises. More than a thousand species are vanishing per day forever from the face of this planet. The storms endanger the soils in the large wheat areas in the US and Russia. We may survive that, but we'll never be the same - And if it goes on like that, the only surviving species were ants, rats, humans and cockroaches, it almost makes me think :-). ;-)
When saying "we" I mean "mankind", I didn't accuse you (or me) of burning down half of "our" rainforest
Global warming is no subject of belief. As others have pointed out in this thread too, it's a matter of fact. Everything else is Corporate FUD. And If someone tells you, that we could change the climate back to where it was in just a government period, thats just bullshit. These are marketforces that emerge from the average peoples low attention span and unwillingness to consider thoughts that are more than two recursions deep, thus resulting in an oversimplified and sometimes wrong picture. The media uses these scientific facts to start just another crusade, because thats the nescessity of the Economic System we live in. The one who shouts the loudest (and simplifies the most) wins. Because he meets the average peoples need for simple black/white explanations.
These leads people that are a little more able to think, but haven't been educated for media competence to wrong assumptions and makes them more exposable to Corporate FUD.
We are fucked up already. Everything we do now, we do to make our childrens children live in a lovelier (possibly even green) world.
Hope this made some points more clear.
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