ignorant american's demonstrate this everyday with your above statement.
There is nothing ignorant about my statement. My statement had nothing to do with this thread nor Mr. Moore's movies. Simply, my statement was off-topic, nothing worse.
Others have pointed out that gasses are fluids. To further pop the gas-liquid-fluid misconception, aerodynamics students are first taught low-mach flows, where the dynamics of gasses and liquids are very similar. This is why it isn't uncommon to see water tunnels in aero labs.
Well, Scientology isn't exactly something I spend a lot of time thinking about. It probably took my subconscience all these months since looking at Operation Clambake to come to this rather simple conclusion.
Pro-choice but anti-gun, anti-PATRIOT-Act but pro-welfare, pro-free-speech but pro-isolationism, pro-poor but anti-free-trade, pro-tax-discriminiation but anti-racial-profiling, and so forth.
How do Democrats live in such denial of the conflicts in their idealism?
BTW, I'm not a Republican, and dislike them just like Mr. Moore! HA, I bet that leaves the Dems confused and seeking their security blankets!
Where at, then, in the IPv4 packet header, do you suggest putting the "differentiator"?
Another note: there isn't a differentiator in the IP address. Rather each region in the world gets its own IP address, which is NAT-ed to each sub-region in that region, which is NAT-ed to each sub-sub-region in that sub-region, etc. It isn't too far different than how the post office works, I think. It would scale well to inter-planetary or inter-stellar communication, too, with a little tweaking of IPv4 (i.e., go beyond 10.* and 192.* for NAT networks).
This is why I don't agree with the Windows monopoly concept.
Microsoft manipulated the large OEMs, so that even free alternatives were not marketable. Microsoft does have a monopoly on desktop operating systems and office suites. Of course, it is slowly beginning to dissolve, but this will take some time to complete.
even if that choice is made out of laziness, how is that forcing their hand?
Increasing the effort of choosing alternatives is very effectively forcing something onto people. Think if you were allowed to purchase something else, but you have to hike up a 15-mile trail to obtain it? How many people would even bother? Microsoft tries to make choosing alternatives like that 15-mile hike (DRM will be their last real attempt, most likely).
they would still CHOOSE to go buy a copy of Windows and install it.
You give them too much credit. They only choose Windows for historical reasons (what they know, existing applications, etc.). It's a vicious cycle: Microsoft screws over IBM, Apple, the OEMs, etc. and captures maket share which drives application vendors which drives market share. It doesn't absolve Microsoft of the crimes that started that cycle.
Choice, innovation, blah, blah, blah. Microsoft has removed the meaning of these words.
Not to mention, the Internet is about connectivity, and what you describe is balkanizing it all.
Well, it's just an idea I threw out there. DNS is already country-specific in a lot of ways, so putting some similar smoke and mirrors into NAT and routing might not be terrible. I'm also not convinced it's the best option, but it's an option, nonetheless.
Well, I'm not a highly-experienced admin, but I just find working with IPv4 intuitive. Each computer gets its dotted-quad address, NAT and basic packet filtering is easy to set up, and the hosts file is simple. DNS is added effort, either way. For basic routing, I just set the ipforwarding flag in OpenBSD. NAT also makes DHCP less necessary.
For a home network that has a single ISP connection this works very well. A small business with a single ISP is really just a slightly larger version of a home network.
Of course, a Fortune 500 company would reach different conclusions based on their complexity, but, then, a Fortune 500 company is supposed to have people on staff who understand networking through and through (key words: supposed to).
Perhaps, OpenBSD has just made everything appear easier, and I'm just delusional.
There is a ton of confusion right now because of it. This is not the customer's fault it's Redhat's.
What doesn't help things is that a link to Fedora is way down to the bottom right of Red Hat's homepage. Just looking at Red Hat's website without prior experience with them would lead a person to believe that RHEL is all there is.
I thought it was common sense to not disclose more than is absolutely necessary about the internals of a network. A proxy server acts as a front man for obscurity and point of logging for accountability.
Y10K. How stupid, because they are only delaying the problem by another 97996 years. NASA will have just finished building their first manned Mars mission only to have the clock tick over to 100000 during launch causing the rocket to fly into the Sun.
it will become nearly impossible for an organization to obtain new address space
Hierarchical NAT.
It works for DNS, NTP, routing, etc. Why not IP allocation? Who says a particular IP address has to be globally unique? I honestly couldn't care if someone in Zimbabwe or Ukraine has the same IP address I do, as long as the packets get from point A to point B reliably (e.g., how many people in the USA have 100 Oak Street as their address with the differentiator being city/state or ZIP? I'd bet hundreds do.).
The true benefits of IPv6 are things like; improved routing, multicasting scope, greater flexibility in what packets contain, flow labeling, privacy and authentication.
Sounds like IPv6 could be a good backbone protocol, while the rest of us continue to use IPv4. IPv4 is just easier for home and small business networks.
If you've got all of your internal network running on RFC 1918 address space, and they've got all of their network running on the same address space, you're almost certainly screwed.
Each business should probably have a limited-purpose proxy server in their public networks, anyway. There really is no reason other than laziness for connecting one business' internal server directly to another business' internal server. You need more middlemen, man!
This may sound trivial, but I prefer typing and remembering XX.XX.XX.XX versus typing and remembering XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX.
Also, IPv4 feels and smells less like government-friendly globally-unique identifiers. At least, now, the government needs to jump through a hoop or two to get into an ISP's DHCP logs.
Tie in voting with slot machines and people will vote in droves!
It works. For example, state lotteries. People won't vote for a new tax, but they will allow a lottery. Stupid? Yes. Suprising? Not one bit.
A concrete example: people in South Carolina won't support their own public schools and are letting them remain last or near last in the USA, but their shiney new lottery is a big hit. What a bunch of morons.
Great idea. However, the FCC might have some gripes about using Wi-Fi as the controlling signal. During my hobby days, I recall that RC airplane radio crystals were not interchangable with the ones for RC cars. Kinda silly, but that's how the regulations were.
I wouldn't be suprised if there was a way to interface the RC radio recievers with the PDA to use it as a co-processor.
Alas, broadcast radio is a one way medium. PDAs are two-way.
That doesn't stop people from yelling and clapping at the radio as if they were in the stadium. I've tried explaining that they really aren't there, but it really is hopeless.
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They want to find their asses, not be consumed by them!
ignorant american's demonstrate this everyday with your above statement.
There is nothing ignorant about my statement. My statement had nothing to do with this thread nor Mr. Moore's movies. Simply, my statement was off-topic, nothing worse.
Others have pointed out that gasses are fluids. To further pop the gas-liquid-fluid misconception, aerodynamics students are first taught low-mach flows, where the dynamics of gasses and liquids are very similar. This is why it isn't uncommon to see water tunnels in aero labs.
What is interval technology? Is it anything like interval training for athletes (i.e. number crunching really hard for short durations)?
I wonder if Microsoft really wants a search engine to help their security experts find their own asses with both hands in the dark.
You just figured that out?
Well, Scientology isn't exactly something I spend a lot of time thinking about. It probably took my subconscience all these months since looking at Operation Clambake to come to this rather simple conclusion.
Is Michael Moore a Democrat?
Pro-choice but anti-gun, anti-PATRIOT-Act but pro-welfare, pro-free-speech but pro-isolationism, pro-poor but anti-free-trade, pro-tax-discriminiation but anti-racial-profiling, and so forth.
How do Democrats live in such denial of the conflicts in their idealism?
BTW, I'm not a Republican, and dislike them just like Mr. Moore! HA, I bet that leaves the Dems confused and seeking their security blankets!
Where at, then, in the IPv4 packet header, do you suggest putting the "differentiator"?
Another note: there isn't a differentiator in the IP address. Rather each region in the world gets its own IP address, which is NAT-ed to each sub-region in that region, which is NAT-ed to each sub-sub-region in that sub-region, etc. It isn't too far different than how the post office works, I think. It would scale well to inter-planetary or inter-stellar communication, too, with a little tweaking of IPv4 (i.e., go beyond 10.* and 192.* for NAT networks).
This is why I don't agree with the Windows monopoly concept.
Microsoft manipulated the large OEMs, so that even free alternatives were not marketable. Microsoft does have a monopoly on desktop operating systems and office suites. Of course, it is slowly beginning to dissolve, but this will take some time to complete.
even if that choice is made out of laziness, how is that forcing their hand?
Increasing the effort of choosing alternatives is very effectively forcing something onto people. Think if you were allowed to purchase something else, but you have to hike up a 15-mile trail to obtain it? How many people would even bother? Microsoft tries to make choosing alternatives like that 15-mile hike (DRM will be their last real attempt, most likely).
they would still CHOOSE to go buy a copy of Windows and install it.
You give them too much credit. They only choose Windows for historical reasons (what they know, existing applications, etc.). It's a vicious cycle: Microsoft screws over IBM, Apple, the OEMs, etc. and captures maket share which drives application vendors which drives market share. It doesn't absolve Microsoft of the crimes that started that cycle.
Choice, innovation, blah, blah, blah. Microsoft has removed the meaning of these words.
Not to mention, the Internet is about connectivity, and what you describe is balkanizing it all.
Well, it's just an idea I threw out there. DNS is already country-specific in a lot of ways, so putting some similar smoke and mirrors into NAT and routing might not be terrible. I'm also not convinced it's the best option, but it's an option, nonetheless.
how so?
Well, I'm not a highly-experienced admin, but I just find working with IPv4 intuitive. Each computer gets its dotted-quad address, NAT and basic packet filtering is easy to set up, and the hosts file is simple. DNS is added effort, either way. For basic routing, I just set the ipforwarding flag in OpenBSD. NAT also makes DHCP less necessary.
For a home network that has a single ISP connection this works very well. A small business with a single ISP is really just a slightly larger version of a home network.
Of course, a Fortune 500 company would reach different conclusions based on their complexity, but, then, a Fortune 500 company is supposed to have people on staff who understand networking through and through (key words: supposed to).
Perhaps, OpenBSD has just made everything appear easier, and I'm just delusional.
Novell was planning a significant push onto the desktop with Linux.
Is this plan a part of Sun's JDS, or is Novell going out with their own product, also?
There is a ton of confusion right now because of it. This is not the customer's fault it's Redhat's.
What doesn't help things is that a link to Fedora is way down to the bottom right of Red Hat's homepage. Just looking at Red Hat's website without prior experience with them would lead a person to believe that RHEL is all there is.
Definitely a marketing blunder.
That's common sense.
I thought it was common sense to not disclose more than is absolutely necessary about the internals of a network. A proxy server acts as a front man for obscurity and point of logging for accountability.
Y10K. How stupid, because they are only delaying the problem by another 97996 years. NASA will have just finished building their first manned Mars mission only to have the clock tick over to 100000 during launch causing the rocket to fly into the Sun.
it will become nearly impossible for an organization to obtain new address space
Hierarchical NAT.
It works for DNS, NTP, routing, etc. Why not IP allocation? Who says a particular IP address has to be globally unique? I honestly couldn't care if someone in Zimbabwe or Ukraine has the same IP address I do, as long as the packets get from point A to point B reliably (e.g., how many people in the USA have 100 Oak Street as their address with the differentiator being city/state or ZIP? I'd bet hundreds do.).
The true benefits of IPv6 are things like; improved routing, multicasting scope, greater flexibility in what packets contain, flow labeling, privacy and authentication.
Sounds like IPv6 could be a good backbone protocol, while the rest of us continue to use IPv4. IPv4 is just easier for home and small business networks.
If you've got all of your internal network running on RFC 1918 address space, and they've got all of their network running on the same address space, you're almost certainly screwed.
Each business should probably have a limited-purpose proxy server in their public networks, anyway. There really is no reason other than laziness for connecting one business' internal server directly to another business' internal server. You need more middlemen, man!
Anyone else have more insight?
This may sound trivial, but I prefer typing and remembering XX.XX.XX.XX versus typing and remembering XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX.
Also, IPv4 feels and smells less like government-friendly globally-unique identifiers. At least, now, the government needs to jump through a hoop or two to get into an ISP's DHCP logs.
Vermont, New Hampshire, who cares. It's simply the best motto ever.
Tie in voting with slot machines and people will vote in droves!
It works. For example, state lotteries. People won't vote for a new tax, but they will allow a lottery. Stupid? Yes. Suprising? Not one bit.
A concrete example: people in South Carolina won't support their own public schools and are letting them remain last or near last in the USA, but their shiney new lottery is a big hit. What a bunch of morons.
they're a wacko space alien cult and many people know it
I recently had an epiphany about Scientology. It is a pyramid scheme, a very cleverly-implemented pyramid scheme and hardly a religion or cult.
It's a neurotoxin, just like Asparthame...
Then why does the FDA list MSG as GRAS (generally regarded as safe)?
Great idea. However, the FCC might have some gripes about using Wi-Fi as the controlling signal. During my hobby days, I recall that RC airplane radio crystals were not interchangable with the ones for RC cars. Kinda silly, but that's how the regulations were.
I wouldn't be suprised if there was a way to interface the RC radio recievers with the PDA to use it as a co-processor.
Alas, broadcast radio is a one way medium. PDAs are two-way.
That doesn't stop people from yelling and clapping at the radio as if they were in the stadium. I've tried explaining that they really aren't there, but it really is hopeless.