I do hate what's going on. But save the Hitler references for the major league -- this guy doesn't have what it takes (thank god). President Bush is just not that good, er, bad.
I personally thought the pharmaceutical handout was comforting -- for once something outside of oil and gas from this administration. I suppose a tenuous connection could be drawn from liability exemption for vaccines back to the war we may fight home and abroad to make the world safe to pump cheap oil.
I also look in wonderment at the "opposition" party -- surely there's some grist for debate here?
No, you don't have to force them to take it. Under the circumstances consider it a gift. You didn't commit a crime and are more honest than 95% of the people out there who would've just pocketed it -- the proof is the bank's reaction!
But you have to look at the big picture: you may be going to jail and hell anyway.;-)
PRI is a fairly libertarian group. Their position papers whould be read with an eye towards their agenda; I'd be curious what might be influencing their analysis. These think tanks should have to pick names that say something about themselves -- if something salls itself the "Justice League" or "PeaceLoveHarmony Council" it tells you nothing about their actually being a front for the veal industry. Truth in advertising?
Disclosure: My half-sister worked for them... and hasn't been quite the same since leaving. We haven't spoken for several years.:(
It's a basic principle that contraband seized (illegal drugs, guns, etc.) are never returned. An extension is that the criminal may forfeit otherwise legal property used to facilitate the crime.
One of the more controversial forefeiture cases was a guy whose car was forfeited because he was caught getting a blow job in it from a prostitute. The idea was to make it hard for the johns to repeat their crimes, and to make the punishment hurt. The topic on appeal was actually the defendant's (ex)wife arguing it was unconstitutional to deprive her of her 50% ownership in the car; she had no knowledge of the wrongdoing. She lost.
Another case was a California woman whose house was seized because her son was secretly growing pot in the backyard. She was innocently unaware -- not just looking the other way -- yet she lost the house. Forfeiture has been going like gangbusters for years, and some police departments have made fortunes off of it.
Now, I believe the U.S. gov't is generally quite just by world standards (quite just is not perfect). But all the same we sometimes blow it big time, often out of fear and loathing of "criminals." I wouldn't vote libertarian because they tend to deny the government's affirmative obligation to protect individual rights; they are compatible with the ACLU only insofar as they advocate a gov't "hand off" approach to social values and privacy. Here, "civil libertarian" is closer to the mark.
But whatever your values, forfeiture needs to be reined in. (A related problem is that criminals are assessed income taxes on their illegal income but are not allowed to claim deductions. So if you bought $99 worth of drugs and sold it for $100, you would owe taxes on the $100, besides being a drug dealer with a ridiculous sense of profit margins.)
If a competitor's standard is not capping, it's gotta be hard for the ISP to prove damages.
No, the damages are simply that the subscriber took more than he purchased. If he wanted more he had to negotiate and paid for it. True, if the contract didn't specify the cap then it's ambiguous whether anything wrongful occurred, but I bet you it would be easy to show the subscribers' intent to do wrong -- they were no virgins here. Whether they were breaking their contracts is a civil matter, whether it was theft criminal (generically defined as "taking something coupled with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of the object [here, service]"). There's an philosophical puzzle in law that if you do something you believe to be a crime and it's not, are you guilty of anything (depends)?
Totally OT, but until we have a good retrospective it does appears that law enforcement did a decent job of tracking the snipers down. The break they got, the Muhammed's boasting of the Alabama shooting, was a lucky break. The worst things law enforcement did were odd bits of sloppiness, like blowing off Muhammed when he called the tip line insisting "I am God" and failing to correctly register him as a person prohibited from owning firearms (assuming the gun was even purchased legally). (I live very near the shootings and followed this closely.)
Ineffective? Don't you think most people who hear about this will think twice about tweaking their modems? The provider and, more so, the FBI response is disproportionate, but it is wrongful to steal regardless of whether it is easy or hard to pull off. I don't understand why so many think it's a defense to a crime to blame the victim.
Many, may people think, for example, that if an ATM gives you an extra $20, it's OK to keep it. No, actually it is theft; you're not necessarily obligated to return the money, but you don't get to keep it either (or give it away). You can try to justify stealing, you can criticize the victim, but you can not trivialize away the crime no matter how stupid the victim is. The crook would never get a defense like this in court, regardless of whether it was theft, rape, or murder.
I suggest that what's really going on here is an attempt to rationalize a crime viewed as petty. But don't toss out the criminal law to do it.
That was Adoph Hitler, writing about creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.
Your point being?:)
I'm critical of invoking the Nazis as a metaphor for every excess of government, but in truth the immediate choice of the words "homeland security" made me squirm. It's much like his dad's "New World Order." I don't know if there's any awareness of the echoes of the past. Those who did not study the past are doomed to quote it?
There is nothing wrong with Germans, which is precisely why we need to take seriously their example of nationalism turned ugly. As in the McCarthy experience, we have seen these things get away from us before.
Many of those who voted for or supported the bill have good intentions. Hell is paved with these.
Um, I believe it was a security violation because I read the article. RTFA.
The Register:
The whitepaper, by MS Windows 2000 Server Product Group member David Brooks, has been posted on the Web by Security Office, which says it discovered the item and numerous other confidential MS documents on a poorly protected server.
They're attempting to be clever juxtaposing "discovered" and "poorly protected server," but it's the same as a burglar saying he "discovered" the TV after breaking your "poorly designed locks." Now... was that clear enough as to the difference between stealing and being given something?
I'm pretty sure it was a worker who stole the tape from the boat; he had permission to enter but not permission to steal. Tommy and Pam tried to sue to stop distribution of the tape, but I think they eventually dropped the whole thing. Sadly, the video probably helped Pam's "career" and judging from the kind of guy Tommy is, he didn't mind the tape getting out all that much. I don't think the Lees were stupid in making or storing the videos, though having seen a couple of excerpts the word "yuck" did cross my mind -- an aethetic judgment.
Anyway, in the Lee case the theft and the publication were clearly improper. So is lifting documents from a protected server, even if the protection was lousy -- what's critical is the thief's intent, here to copy the property of another without their consent and write a story about it. Whether anyone loses money or suffer other sorts of harm is a question of damages, not guilt. Your analogy is more like an MS employee accidentally emailing the document to a reporter (this sort of thing has happened). I don't like MS, but I don't like reporters hacking into servers for personal gain either.
Humans, hyenas, and dogs -- and these relate to nerds how? Is this like one of those SAT analogy questions? Or are we talking metaphor here? Lets see, the users are humans, the programmers dogs, the bosses hyenas... or was that users dogs, programmers hyenas, bosses human... nah, users hyenas, programmers....
It's hard to imagine a sufficiently menacing hyena, or my neighbor's terrier taking it on to protect alpha, but anything's possible.
A tidbit I cam across is that researchers have experimented with using viruses such as the one that cause the common cold as seek-and-destroy weapons against cancer. I guess that unlike the immune system, a virus can peer inside the cell and check out the DNA for abnormalities, then destroy it as needed. Our enemy harnessed as our friend.
I didn't think they'd conclusively figured out the cause of all cancers
All cancers? No. You're right that the viral theory for cervical cancer is fairly new, and I think most of the viral research goes back 20 years or so. But so far only a few cancers are known (retro)viral in origin, and it is abundantly clear cancer also results regularly from radiation (from gamma rays to UV), various chemicals (carconigens), smoking, genetic predisposition, and so on. Even the usually benign HPV does not technically cause cervical cancer, it is risk factor for it. The chances that all or most cancers are viral are small; I think the current estimate is something like 1/6, and don't believe the HPV researchers would suggest this is the holy grail -- outside of women concerned about cervical cancer.
So "cancer vaccine" sounds like more than it is. It is a vaccine aganst one kind of virus that in some women leads to cancer; someday hopefully soon we will have a vaccine against HIV; but these are far from a treatment for cancer or protection against cancer in general. This is a very significant finding if it pans out, but is also easily overstated. Don't stop donating to the Cancer Society it other words...
But few cancers are caused by viruses, and most cancers are invisible to your immune system, assuming it is working properly (e.g., not HIV, which does pave the way for Karposi's sarcoma). If the cancers themeselves were detectable, the immune system would destroy the tumor. The HPV vaccine primes the immune system to attack the traces of the virus (unless I'm mistaken).
As an aside, one of the big mysteries about HIV has been why the immune system doesn't simple kill it. It can do so to a certain extent, but HIV has the sinister strategy of infecting the immune system iteself, hiding out in T-cell. Interesting and evil.
But, I doubt that Microsoft will do anything but sweep this under the rug as quickly and efficiently as possible. Suing someone or making a big stink about it will only increase its dissemination.
Yeah -- like anyone would notice. The market is already numb to news about MS of malevolence or incompetence, and "Microsoft security hole" is a cliche that only registers with sysops (how often has it appeared on/. Oh, they're just MS bashers). This isn't a troll. Maybe it's just because MS is so big. Yeah. Yeah, that's the ticket.
No, you're right, there are are fewer sources of exotic death than a regular helicopter. Most people will instead run them into trees, birds, power lines, the ground, or run out of gas -- the traditional methods of self-destruction. (I love the sober line in so many NTSB accident reports that "The accident occurred when the aircraft descended below the height of the terrain." Uh-huh, how much do we pay you guys? But they do very good work.)
I'm a former flight instructor and used to emphasizing all the things that can go wrong. A professional party-pooper.
With regards to price, I'd be more comfortable if it cost more. They must be taking a loss on the $30k, anticipating greater volume once they've seeded the market with these very visible self-advertising aircraft.
I recall a profile of a guy during the 1996 election named Clinton Gore. He had a heckuva time making dinner reservations, because people simply wouldn't believe him.
My mom had a friend named Horny. He changed it after his father died.
Astonishingly, I do not see a web page yet dedicated to embarassing names. No, here's one (1000+ -- this must be where the Car Talk guys get their stuff). One study claimed that juvenile delinquents with embarassing names were in trouble four time more often.
Oh, I goofed on Chanda Lear's name. It is Chrystal Chanda Lear.
They're not what you think, or what I thought. It is a forcefully (ballistic) deployed parachute attached to the helicopter. See here in relation to the GEN H-4.
The NOVUS plastic polish works very well, for whe manual polishing is not a deterrent. It comes in three grades of coarseness (well, two grades plus a superficial polish). You can use it watching TV or while reading/. at work. It also does a great job on all the plexiglas that comes with all sorts of products and quickly ends up cloudy and ugly. It is actually OK to polish in a circular motion -- normally this is discouraged for fear of grinding debris into the disk.
I've tried to come up with a way of home-brew mechanizing the process, such as strapping a rag to a random-orbit sander. That worked of for all but medium-deep scratches, but wasn't much faster than doing it by hand.
And, of course, you could also threaten to penalize people for returning defective disks, which would make them more careful even if you don't enforce it (and think how nice everyone will think you are when you say, aw shucks you don't have to pay -- this time).
The senators are probably as technically clueless as average folks (with a couple of exceptions) but many have technically proficient staff members whom they listen to. The gradually declining lameness of Senate member websites is one indication.
Why Congress? Because in some cases, such as limited bandwidth, the federal gov't is well-suited to setting down the infrastructure to jump-start the industry and to avoid the result of the many competing railroad companes in the 19th century, each with its own proprietary guage of track.
Since I'm successively posting anyway, an experienced helicopter pilot I used to work years ago with said that a typical helicopter might give you six seconds to react to a power failure -- and the (inexpensive) Robinson only two. Piston-driven helicopter generallys are more probe to engine failure -- an internal combustion engine has a heck of a lot of parts, and power loss though not a death sentence is highly undesirable. Many of the bigger helicopters you see actually have twin jet turbines. Yet even with a working engine, a failure in the mechanical system driving the rotors is lethal.
Don't get me wrong, I think helicopters are way cool. But not foolproof.
The other major problem with personal aviation transportation is that there are few fender-benders in the sky. Also, the weather can nail you; it's too easy to convince yourself that sure, I can stay under those clouds over those hills... I'm not even sure I'd feel safe on the ground with every Dick and Jane buzzing around.
Someone here named Kirk proposed a question for Mr. Shatner -- how he felt causing all people named Kirk to be nicknamed "Captain."
A friend in college was named Clara Lee and I said, gee, how close to the name of the baked goods. She said, you should tell that to my sister Sara. And then there were the Lear (Jet) girls, Chanda and Gonda.
Good thing your parents had the foresight not to name you Ralph (I assume you are more tha 12 years old).
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My point? Sarcasm.
I do hate what's going on. But save the Hitler references for the major league -- this guy doesn't have what it takes (thank god). President Bush is just not that good, er, bad.
I personally thought the pharmaceutical handout was comforting -- for once something outside of oil and gas from this administration. I suppose a tenuous connection could be drawn from liability exemption for vaccines back to the war we may fight home and abroad to make the world safe to pump cheap oil.
I also look in wonderment at the "opposition" party -- surely there's some grist for debate here?
No, you don't have to force them to take it. Under the circumstances consider it a gift. You didn't commit a crime and are more honest than 95% of the people out there who would've just pocketed it -- the proof is the bank's reaction!
;-)
But you have to look at the big picture: you may be going to jail and hell anyway.
PRI is a fairly libertarian group. Their position papers whould be read with an eye towards their agenda; I'd be curious what might be influencing their analysis. These think tanks should have to pick names that say something about themselves -- if something salls itself the "Justice League" or "PeaceLoveHarmony Council" it tells you nothing about their actually being a front for the veal industry. Truth in advertising?
... and hasn't been quite the same since leaving. We haven't spoken for several years. :(
Disclosure: My half-sister worked for them
It's a basic principle that contraband seized (illegal drugs, guns, etc.) are never returned. An extension is that the criminal may forfeit otherwise legal property used to facilitate the crime.
One of the more controversial forefeiture cases was a guy whose car was forfeited because he was caught getting a blow job in it from a prostitute. The idea was to make it hard for the johns to repeat their crimes, and to make the punishment hurt. The topic on appeal was actually the defendant's (ex)wife arguing it was unconstitutional to deprive her of her 50% ownership in the car; she had no knowledge of the wrongdoing. She lost.
Another case was a California woman whose house was seized because her son was secretly growing pot in the backyard. She was innocently unaware -- not just looking the other way -- yet she lost the house. Forfeiture has been going like gangbusters for years, and some police departments have made fortunes off of it.
Now, I believe the U.S. gov't is generally quite just by world standards (quite just is not perfect). But all the same we sometimes blow it big time, often out of fear and loathing of "criminals." I wouldn't vote libertarian because they tend to deny the government's affirmative obligation to protect individual rights; they are compatible with the ACLU only insofar as they advocate a gov't "hand off" approach to social values and privacy. Here, "civil libertarian" is closer to the mark.
But whatever your values, forfeiture needs to be reined in. (A related problem is that criminals are assessed income taxes on their illegal income but are not allowed to claim deductions. So if you bought $99 worth of drugs and sold it for $100, you would owe taxes on the $100, besides being a drug dealer with a ridiculous sense of profit margins.)
If a competitor's standard is not capping, it's gotta be hard for the ISP to prove damages.
No, the damages are simply that the subscriber took more than he purchased. If he wanted more he had to negotiate and paid for it. True, if the contract didn't specify the cap then it's ambiguous whether anything wrongful occurred, but I bet you it would be easy to show the subscribers' intent to do wrong -- they were no virgins here. Whether they were breaking their contracts is a civil matter, whether it was theft criminal (generically defined as "taking something coupled with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of the object [here, service]"). There's an philosophical puzzle in law that if you do something you believe to be a crime and it's not, are you guilty of anything (depends)?
Totally OT, but until we have a good retrospective it does appears that law enforcement did a decent job of tracking the snipers down. The break they got, the Muhammed's boasting of the Alabama shooting, was a lucky break. The worst things law enforcement did were odd bits of sloppiness, like blowing off Muhammed when he called the tip line insisting "I am God" and failing to correctly register him as a person prohibited from owning firearms (assuming the gun was even purchased legally). (I live very near the shootings and followed this closely.)
Ineffective? Don't you think most people who hear about this will think twice about tweaking their modems? The provider and, more so, the FBI response is disproportionate, but it is wrongful to steal regardless of whether it is easy or hard to pull off. I don't understand why so many think it's a defense to a crime to blame the victim.
Many, may people think, for example, that if an ATM gives you an extra $20, it's OK to keep it. No, actually it is theft; you're not necessarily obligated to return the money, but you don't get to keep it either (or give it away). You can try to justify stealing, you can criticize the victim, but you can not trivialize away the crime no matter how stupid the victim is. The crook would never get a defense like this in court, regardless of whether it was theft, rape, or murder.
I suggest that what's really going on here is an attempt to rationalize a crime viewed as petty. But don't toss out the criminal law to do it.
That was Adoph Hitler, writing about creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.
:)
Your point being?
I'm critical of invoking the Nazis as a metaphor for every excess of government, but in truth the immediate choice of the words "homeland security" made me squirm. It's much like his dad's "New World Order." I don't know if there's any awareness of the echoes of the past. Those who did not study the past are doomed to quote it?
There is nothing wrong with Germans, which is precisely why we need to take seriously their example of nationalism turned ugly. As in the McCarthy experience, we have seen these things get away from us before.
Many of those who voted for or supported the bill have good intentions. Hell is paved with these.
I like his version. :)
Um, I believe it was a security violation because I read the article. RTFA.
The Register:
They're attempting to be clever juxtaposing "discovered" and "poorly protected server," but it's the same as a burglar saying he "discovered" the TV after breaking your "poorly designed locks." Now
I'm pretty sure it was a worker who stole the tape from the boat; he had permission to enter but not permission to steal. Tommy and Pam tried to sue to stop distribution of the tape, but I think they eventually dropped the whole thing. Sadly, the video probably helped Pam's "career" and judging from the kind of guy Tommy is, he didn't mind the tape getting out all that much. I don't think the Lees were stupid in making or storing the videos, though having seen a couple of excerpts the word "yuck" did cross my mind -- an aethetic judgment.
Anyway, in the Lee case the theft and the publication were clearly improper. So is lifting documents from a protected server, even if the protection was lousy -- what's critical is the thief's intent, here to copy the property of another without their consent and write a story about it. Whether anyone loses money or suffer other sorts of harm is a question of damages, not guilt. Your analogy is more like an MS employee accidentally emailing the document to a reporter (this sort of thing has happened). I don't like MS, but I don't like reporters hacking into servers for personal gain either.
Humans, hyenas, and dogs -- and these relate to nerds how? Is this like one of those SAT analogy questions? Or are we talking metaphor here? Lets see, the users are humans, the programmers dogs, the bosses hyenas ... or was that users dogs, programmers hyenas, bosses human ... nah, users hyenas, programmers....
It's hard to imagine a sufficiently menacing hyena, or my neighbor's terrier taking it on to protect alpha, but anything's possible.
A tidbit I cam across is that researchers have experimented with using viruses such as the one that cause the common cold as seek-and-destroy weapons against cancer. I guess that unlike the immune system, a virus can peer inside the cell and check out the DNA for abnormalities, then destroy it as needed. Our enemy harnessed as our friend.
Cool -- get a cold, get rid of your tumor.
I didn't think they'd conclusively figured out the cause of all cancers
All cancers? No. You're right that the viral theory for cervical cancer is fairly new, and I think most of the viral research goes back 20 years or so. But so far only a few cancers are known (retro)viral in origin, and it is abundantly clear cancer also results regularly from radiation (from gamma rays to UV), various chemicals (carconigens), smoking, genetic predisposition, and so on. Even the usually benign HPV does not technically cause cervical cancer, it is risk factor for it. The chances that all or most cancers are viral are small; I think the current estimate is something like 1/6, and don't believe the HPV researchers would suggest this is the holy grail -- outside of women concerned about cervical cancer.
So "cancer vaccine" sounds like more than it is. It is a vaccine aganst one kind of virus that in some women leads to cancer; someday hopefully soon we will have a vaccine against HIV; but these are far from a treatment for cancer or protection against cancer in general. This is a very significant finding if it pans out, but is also easily overstated. Don't stop donating to the Cancer Society it other words...
And amazing new opportunities for litigation!
:) (with sharp teeth)
I'm not saying that's a bad thing -- I'm a lawyer.
But few cancers are caused by viruses, and most cancers are invisible to your immune system, assuming it is working properly (e.g., not HIV, which does pave the way for Karposi's sarcoma). If the cancers themeselves were detectable, the immune system would destroy the tumor. The HPV vaccine primes the immune system to attack the traces of the virus (unless I'm mistaken).
As an aside, one of the big mysteries about HIV has been why the immune system doesn't simple kill it. It can do so to a certain extent, but HIV has the sinister strategy of infecting the immune system iteself, hiding out in T-cell. Interesting and evil.
But, I doubt that Microsoft will do anything but sweep this under the rug as quickly and efficiently as possible. Suing someone or making a big stink about it will only increase its dissemination.
/. Oh, they're just MS bashers). This isn't a troll. Maybe it's just because MS is so big. Yeah. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Yeah -- like anyone would notice. The market is already numb to news about MS of malevolence or incompetence, and "Microsoft security hole" is a cliche that only registers with sysops (how often has it appeared on
Thanks for the reply, Esq. I never took IP.
No, you're right, there are are fewer sources of exotic death than a regular helicopter. Most people will instead run them into trees, birds, power lines, the ground, or run out of gas -- the traditional methods of self-destruction. (I love the sober line in so many NTSB accident reports that "The accident occurred when the aircraft descended below the height of the terrain." Uh-huh, how much do we pay you guys? But they do very good work.)
I'm a former flight instructor and used to emphasizing all the things that can go wrong. A professional party-pooper.
With regards to price, I'd be more comfortable if it cost more. They must be taking a loss on the $30k, anticipating greater volume once they've seeded the market with these very visible self-advertising aircraft.
I recall a profile of a guy during the 1996 election named Clinton Gore. He had a heckuva time making dinner reservations, because people simply wouldn't believe him.
My mom had a friend named Horny. He changed it after his father died.
Astonishingly, I do not see a web page yet dedicated to embarassing names. No, here's one (1000+ -- this must be where the Car Talk guys get their stuff). One study claimed that juvenile delinquents with embarassing names were in trouble four time more often.
Oh, I goofed on Chanda Lear's name. It is Chrystal Chanda Lear.
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They're not what you think, or what I thought. It is a forcefully (ballistic) deployed parachute attached to the helicopter. See here in relation to the GEN H-4.
The NOVUS plastic polish works very well, for whe manual polishing is not a deterrent. It comes in three grades of coarseness (well, two grades plus a superficial polish). You can use it watching TV or while reading /. at work. It also does a great job on all the plexiglas that comes with all sorts of products and quickly ends up cloudy and ugly. It is actually OK to polish in a circular motion -- normally this is discouraged for fear of grinding debris into the disk.
I've tried to come up with a way of home-brew mechanizing the process, such as strapping a rag to a random-orbit sander. That worked of for all but medium-deep scratches, but wasn't much faster than doing it by hand.
And, of course, you could also threaten to penalize people for returning defective disks, which would make them more careful even if you don't enforce it (and think how nice everyone will think you are when you say, aw shucks you don't have to pay -- this time).
The senators are probably as technically clueless as average folks (with a couple of exceptions) but many have technically proficient staff members whom they listen to. The gradually declining lameness of Senate member websites is one indication.
Why Congress? Because in some cases, such as limited bandwidth, the federal gov't is well-suited to setting down the infrastructure to jump-start the industry and to avoid the result of the many competing railroad companes in the 19th century, each with its own proprietary guage of track.
cut-rate aviation products
Since I'm successively posting anyway, an experienced helicopter pilot I used to work years ago with said that a typical helicopter might give you six seconds to react to a power failure -- and the (inexpensive) Robinson only two. Piston-driven helicopter generallys are more probe to engine failure -- an internal combustion engine has a heck of a lot of parts, and power loss though not a death sentence is highly undesirable. Many of the bigger helicopters you see actually have twin jet turbines. Yet even with a working engine, a failure in the mechanical system driving the rotors is lethal.
Don't get me wrong, I think helicopters are way cool. But not foolproof.
The other major problem with personal aviation transportation is that there are few fender-benders in the sky. Also, the weather can nail you; it's too easy to convince yourself that sure, I can stay under those clouds over those hills... I'm not even sure I'd feel safe on the ground with every Dick and Jane buzzing around.
...commit suicide for a heck of a lot less than $30k.
Seriously, I haven't heard the best things about aviation products so far. A helicopter is a particularly finicky piece of engineering.
Personally I'd like the propeller beanie Calvin always dreamed of.
Someone here named Kirk proposed a question for Mr. Shatner -- how he felt causing all people named Kirk to be nicknamed "Captain."
A friend in college was named Clara Lee and I said, gee, how close to the name of the baked goods. She said, you should tell that to my sister Sara. And then there were the Lear (Jet) girls, Chanda and Gonda.
Good thing your parents had the foresight not to name you Ralph (I assume you are more tha 12 years old).
Take care, Chief.
Ralph, I apologize for even asking, but these past 12 years how many dumb Simpsons jokes have you endured?
:)
One of our tenants was named Chad and surprisingly got few "hanging" or "pregnant" jokes during election 2000.
Thanks Ralph. And I always thought they underestimated you.