How do you charge it and play music at the same time?
If your time-management is so poor that you run your phone down in the middle of the day, and your music-obsession so great that you can't do without your tunez for 30 minutes to get about 50% charge on your iPhone, then you can purchase one of the many Y-adapters on Amazon for $10 or less.
Jeezus people invent ANYTHING to be offended/put-upon.
* Although if Apple shifts to USB-C and softens its stance on the what can be physically connected to their products then it might be a win-win situation.
Apple's shift to USB-C is a way to make you think it's going to open the market. In fact, they just have to put their frickin chip on the wire to exclude any non-Apple-approved hardware, which is most probably the way they will go. Their partnerships with other companies is a big revenue stream for them. You think they suddenly became a charity? #not
If they public's opinion doesn't sway I'd expect to see the headphone jack back on the iPhone by the time the iPhone 9 comes out.
It just struck me that this is not just about headphones, but also things like the Square reader that plugs into the headphone jack*. I'm sure Square would be thrilled to have re-design their hardware to incorporate it wirelessly (and what does that do to security of said devices?)
* Although if Apple shifts to USB-C and softens its stance on the what can be physically connected to their products then it might be a win-win situation.
Square is way ahead of you. They did a Bluetooth reader a while back, even before the iPhone 7.
You really think that the headphone jack is the culprit in Apple's market loss? It's been 3 times they changed the freakin docking connector on their phone and other iShit. Those who did not understand when they went from 30pin to lightning connector will maybe understand this time, when they once again have to change all the audio / charging docks on which they paid the Apple premium (especially now that Apple has a trick to exclude non-Apple-royalty-paying builders).
You think Apple is switching to USB-C to open to the rest of the World? Think again. They will certainly lock you once again in their fenced garden of Apple-approved stuff.
Um, I only count ONE change of the Docking/Charging Connector:
1. Original Docking/Charging Connector. Apple 30-Pin "Dock" Connector. 2003-2012. Used on iPhones from 2007 (first gen) to 2012 (4s), as well as all iPods and iPads up to that date.
2. CURRENT Docking/Charging Connector. Apple 8-Pin "Lightning" Connector. Sept. 2012 to Present. Used on the iPhone 5 and above, as well as related iPads and iPods up through the present.
Not sure where you get THREE Dock/Charging connector changes.
Does anyone honestly think that Apple cares whether other companies drop the headphone jack on their phones?
Nope.
But they sure care if Apple does it.
BTW, one thing nobody is considering is the fact that most, if not all, of the phones exhibited at that Trade Show were Designed LONG BEFORE the iPhone 7 debuted a scant FIVE MONTHS ago!
FFS, the Agency-Approvals testing for these products takes nearly that long, let alone the DESIGN phase, which generally takes a couple of YEARS.
Let's see what the NEXT show looks like. Betcha you'll see a LOT of USB-C and a LOT-LESS 3.5 mm.
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
I sincerely hope that's exactly what they do. It'll be great to make fun of Apple buyers for buying into this.
I'm sure they will. That's why they HAVEN'T done that with any other of their several USB-C/TB3-containing Products.
GOD DAMMIT I'M GETTING SICK OF THIS HATER BULLSHIT!!!
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
Apple are not going to want people to use any old headphones they want, whereby Apple do not get a cut. Hence the ditched headphone jack in the first place.
Oh, FFS! Stop it. JUST STOP IT!!!
Apple INCLUDED a 3.5 mm adapter cable AND a Lightning Headset WITH THE PHONE!!!!
Where is the added profit in using an industry standard 2.5mm headphone jack? Apple wants you to buy their more expensive and proprietary Lightning port earbuds or wireless Airpods instead.
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
Yeah, that's why they INCLUDED both a 3.5 mm adapter cable AND Lightning-based Headset with the phone.
Jeezus you Haters have GOT to be the stupidest people on the planet...
Even for Apple we know that the argument for saving space is nonsense. USB-C is 8.4mm x 2.6mm.
A typical 3.5mm analog headphone jack is not much thicker, but even if it is, there is a simple solution to the problem: a 2.5mm analog headphone jack which is even NARROWER and THINNER than USB-C. Headphones already exist for this, and even if they didn't, all existing 3.5mm analog headphones can use a simple adapter that's been around for decades. Plug it on the end of the cable. DONE.
Now that we know the superiority of 2.5mm for solving the space issue, I'm sure a company as "courageous" as Apple will fix their mistake and use 2.5mm instead. Right?
2.5 mm jack STILL means an Adapter "Dongle" for pretty much everything.
So, all the disadvantages of the old 3.5 mm jack (only worse, because it's smaller), with all of the disadvantages of "Dongle World".
The absolute worst aren't even the reboots in my experience - it's when you need to run out the door, go to shut down your laptop so you can slam the lid, toss it in a bag and go... and you get the dreaded "don't you dare touch this laptop for the next 5 minutes to 8 hours, important updates you can't control have started. Do you (a) hang around for an indeterminant amount of time waiting for the 5 minute... no, 1 hour... no, 30 seconds... no, 2 weeks... no... updates to grind away and miss your meeting/flight/dinner; or do you slam the lid anyway and run the very real risk of screwing up the OS.
Slam the lid. Despite the dire warnings, it NEVER messes anything up.
Now as for the genius that decided that Shutdown was the perfect time to start some indeterminate process...
There was mini USB before that, which again, was fine and could have been expanded by Apple. No excuse for their lame connectors.
When they launched the first iPhone they didn't have to re-use the same crappy proprietary connector as the iPod.
And Apple created the Lightning connector NOT for vendor lock-in
Haha good one.
Why didn't Apple use USB-C on the iPhone 7?
Nice goalpost-movement. You said "microUSB". Then when I pointed out the flaw in your "logic" (if you can call your infantile mewling that), you tried to switch the argument to a completely different (but still horrible) connector.
Oh, give me a break, FFS! When Apple launched the first iPhone they had over 5 years of history of using that 30 pin connector for ALL their "mobile devices" and accessories therefor. People like you would have bitched to high-heaven if they'd suddenly switched for no apparent reason to a just-announced connector that CERTAINLY wasn't a "standard" in 2007 when the iPhone debuted.
Oh, and remember: The iPhone was announced in 2007, but it was designed well BEFORE the microUSB connector was even ANNOUNCED... in 2007.
No excuse. They could have designed a connector which is backward compatible with micro USB instead of their 30 pin connector. And they could never have used the crappy lightning connector.
Hey, dumbass!
The microUSB connector wasn't even in EXISTENCE when Apple designed the 30 pin iPod connector in 2001!
I know Apple is pretty forward-thinking; but that's a little ridiculous, don't you think?
And Apple created the Lightning connector NOT for vendor lock-in; but rather to avoid what they sensed was going to be an EU mandate for microUSB, which they (oh so rightly) hated.
BTW, when the next-gen iPhone (logically, iPhone 8) was talked about here a few months ago, I predicted that Apple would rather rapidly phase-out the Lightning connector, now that USB-C was out; because it (finally) fulfilled all of the design-goals of the Lightning connector (and then some). This was made especially clear when the 2016 MBP came out with all USB-C/TB3.
Indeed. The first portable device (iPod, iPhone, iPad) from Apple with a standard connector. Hell is really freezing over.
What's next? They will have removable batteries?
Ecause this is the first standard connector that can support everything Apple wants to do with it.
I still remember when the entire smartphone industry was doing usb connectors, including blackberries (so not only android land), only apple refused and went with lightning connectors.
Ecause they care about their users, and so did not want to subject them to the terrible micro-USB connector.
Those sound like EXCEEDINGLY bad-mannered Applications!!! macOS Apps are NOT supposed to spray files all over the OS, PERIOD! I'd be pissed as HELL if I installed something that acted like it was installing on Windows or Linux, spraying files over the entire hard drive! Ick!!!
You wrote "linux" but should have written "unix". And there's the rub. Mac is unix, and half the software I install on it is unix-like software (e.g. the nginx example I quoted), and so it naturally does spray all over the hard drive.
You're right; OS X/MacOS IS Unix, and has the certifications to prove it.
And yet, native Mac Applications are almost always designed to keep their dependencies in the App Bundle; so why can't UNIX and Linux Apps that are ported to MacOS Play by the rules? The answer is they can, of course; but arrogant arrested-development-developers simply don't give a shit about defecating all over your hard drive. Afterall, it's what everyone else does, right?
Well, the Mac proves that you can have a *nix-based system and STILL not be an asshole developer. Your dependencies are where they are because that's where the Developer put them.
If you're really worried about that 4 KB prefs file on your 4 TB drive, then they are as easy to delete as the Application Bundle itself: http://echoone.com/tips/how-to.... Oh, and that took exactly.000025 ns to Google, Hater.
(1) As in the example I posted (of nginx), it's not just prefs that are left behind. Nginx leaves behind sbin binaries, for instance. Opam inserts lines into my.bashrc. And Wireshark? I have no idea what tendrils it inserted, nor how to get rid of them, nor if their persistence would be a security hole, so I've been too scared to even install it.
(2) It's not the size of prefs that are the problem -- it's their existence, and the assurance that when I next install the software it will be "clean" without any leftovers. (E.g. last month for me, Camtasia was producing MOVs fine but only silence in its MP4s. I tried to delete+reinstall it but without success. The technical support folks advised me to delete the prefs, and then it started working again). It honestly never would have occurred to me that this kind of bug could be caused by *preferences*, so it took me about 2 days to resolve, considerably more than your 0.000025 ns.
Those sound like EXCEEDINGLY bad-mannered Applications!!!
macOS Apps are NOT supposed to spray files all over the OS, PERIOD! I'd be pissed as HELL if I installed something that acted like it was installing on Windows or Linux, spraying files over the entire hard drive! Ick!!! That's what Application Bundles are for, FFS!!!
Camtasia is a pretty crappily-designed App. On my Win7 work laptop, I had to fiddle and fiddle and FIDDLE with various Sound Control Panels to get it to deign to both record sound from the mic input, and output sound to the headphone jack. Sheesh!!! What I would have done for "Audio/MIDI Setup" like in macOS!!!
So I don't doubt one little bit that Camtasia barely fucking works on macOS. I like the editing, zooming, and annotation capabilities; but it's a nightmare under the hood, especially sound-wise!
Having said all that, it has been "one of the first things to try" for misbehaving Mac Applications for DECADES (even before OS X) to "Trash the Prefs". Usually you just drag them onto the Desktop (so you can easily put them back), then try re-launching the Application. Mac Applications are SUPPOSED to re-build their Prefs file if they can't find it where it is supposed to be.
developers can still sign code with their key when selling other ways, including boxed retail.
Then how can a developer sign code when distributing software through non-commercial means, particularly free software? Though price competition has made the cost of a domain-validated TLS certificate trivial, with Let's Encrypt offering 90-day certificates to domain owners without charge and SSLs.com offering 3-year certificates for $5 per year, there's as of yet no counterpart to those for code signing on macOS or Windows.
Those macOS (and iOS) Developer Certs are FREE, as in Beer, dumbass. It only costs if you want to be listed in the Mac App Store (or iOS App Store).
Nobody wants the store model, even on OS X where it arguably works better because of no pre-installed malware. The right thing, is a) to never let users run as admin, b) tar and feather apps that do not properly work without admin. Astroturf slashdot with developers who still haven't gotten the message, rather than try to convince us MS isn't evil anymore, which we'll never believe anyway.
There's no reason for 99% of apps out there to actually need administrator privileges, but for some reason, many still do not work properly without it...probably because the devs always run in admin and don't test with anything else (or don't test at all, which seems to be the case sometimes).
Welcome to the OS X/macOS model. Been that way since day 1.
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How do you charge it and play music at the same time?
If your time-management is so poor that you run your phone down in the middle of the day, and your music-obsession so great that you can't do without your tunez for 30 minutes to get about 50% charge on your iPhone, then you can purchase one of the many Y-adapters on Amazon for $10 or less.
Jeezus people invent ANYTHING to be offended/put-upon.
* Although if Apple shifts to USB-C and softens its stance on the what can be physically connected to their products then it might be a win-win situation.
Apple's shift to USB-C is a way to make you think it's going to open the market. In fact, they just have to put their frickin chip on the wire to exclude any non-Apple-approved hardware, which is most probably the way they will go. Their partnerships with other companies is a big revenue stream for them. You think they suddenly became a charity? #not
FOAD, FUCKTARD!!!
If they public's opinion doesn't sway I'd expect to see the headphone jack back on the iPhone by the time the iPhone 9 comes out.
It just struck me that this is not just about headphones, but also things like the Square reader that plugs into the headphone jack*. I'm sure Square would be thrilled to have re-design their hardware to incorporate it wirelessly (and what does that do to security of said devices?)
* Although if Apple shifts to USB-C and softens its stance on the what can be physically connected to their products then it might be a win-win situation.
Square is way ahead of you. They did a Bluetooth reader a while back, even before the iPhone 7.
You really think that the headphone jack is the culprit in Apple's market loss? It's been 3 times they changed the freakin docking connector on their phone and other iShit. Those who did not understand when they went from 30pin to lightning connector will maybe understand this time, when they once again have to change all the audio / charging docks on which they paid the Apple premium (especially now that Apple has a trick to exclude non-Apple-royalty-paying builders). You think Apple is switching to USB-C to open to the rest of the World? Think again. They will certainly lock you once again in their fenced garden of Apple-approved stuff.
Um, I only count ONE change of the Docking/Charging Connector:
1. Original Docking/Charging Connector. Apple 30-Pin "Dock" Connector. 2003-2012. Used on iPhones from 2007 (first gen) to 2012 (4s), as well as all iPods and iPads up to that date.
2. CURRENT Docking/Charging Connector. Apple 8-Pin "Lightning" Connector. Sept. 2012 to Present. Used on the iPhone 5 and above, as well as related iPads and iPods up through the present.
Not sure where you get THREE Dock/Charging connector changes.
And, BTW, while we're drudging through history, why aren't you bitching about Slamdung dropping THEIR 30-pin Dock Connector, or the Korean Technology 24 and 20 pin Dock Connectors, or the 30 pin Portable Digital Media Interface Connector, or the PLETHORA of OTHER, Proprietary, and now long-obsolete "Dock" Connectors for Cowon, Creative Zen, iRiver, Le Pan, Zune, Olympus, Panasonic, Philips, SanDisk, Sony, Tatung and Toshiba. ALL OF THOSE ARE PROPRIETARY, TOO!
So, by that measure, Apple has actually and demonstrably been INCREDIBLY CONSISTENT in its Dock and Charging-Connector choices.
Next time, do a little checking before spewing, eh?
Does anyone honestly think that Apple cares whether other companies drop the headphone jack on their phones?
Nope.
But they sure care if Apple does it.
BTW, one thing nobody is considering is the fact that most, if not all, of the phones exhibited at that Trade Show were Designed LONG BEFORE the iPhone 7 debuted a scant FIVE MONTHS ago!
FFS, the Agency-Approvals testing for these products takes nearly that long, let alone the DESIGN phase, which generally takes a couple of YEARS.
Let's see what the NEXT show looks like. Betcha you'll see a LOT of USB-C and a LOT-LESS 3.5 mm.
They got rid of the jack to enforce end-to-end DRM and capitalize on the profit margin w/ wireless headphone technology.
PROVE IT, OR STFU!!!
If you have to worry about 15mm of insertion space on a device which is easily 4x that in length or width, you have incompetent engineers.
Or a shit-pot-full of stuff to get into that space.
BTW: Just how many smartphones of the complexity of an iPhone have YOU done the packaging or PCB layout for?
Exactly.
Even for Apple we know that the argument for saving space is nonsense. USB-C is 8.4mm x 2.6mm.
My understanding is that is not the dimensions of the jack on the surface of the phone that is the problem, but the internal depth into the phone.
Yep. I read that, too...
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
I sincerely hope that's exactly what they do. It'll be great to make fun of Apple buyers for buying into this.
I'm sure they will. That's why they HAVEN'T done that with any other of their several USB-C/TB3-containing Products.
GOD DAMMIT I'M GETTING SICK OF THIS HATER BULLSHIT!!!
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
Apple are not going to want people to use any old headphones they want, whereby Apple do not get a cut. Hence the ditched headphone jack in the first place.
Oh, FFS! Stop it. JUST STOP IT!!!
Apple INCLUDED a 3.5 mm adapter cable AND a Lightning Headset WITH THE PHONE!!!!
Where is the added profit in using an industry standard 2.5mm headphone jack? Apple wants you to buy their more expensive and proprietary Lightning port earbuds or wireless Airpods instead.
Rumor has it that the next iPhone will be USB-C, but I wouldn't be suprised if they added some proprietary protocols that require Apple/Beats branded headphones or earbuds for that as well.
Yeah, that's why they INCLUDED both a 3.5 mm adapter cable AND Lightning-based Headset with the phone.
Jeezus you Haters have GOT to be the stupidest people on the planet...
Exactly.
Even for Apple we know that the argument for saving space is nonsense. USB-C is 8.4mm x 2.6mm.
A typical 3.5mm analog headphone jack is not much thicker, but even if it is, there is a simple solution to the problem: a 2.5mm analog headphone jack which is even NARROWER and THINNER than USB-C. Headphones already exist for this, and even if they didn't, all existing 3.5mm analog headphones can use a simple adapter that's been around for decades. Plug it on the end of the cable. DONE.
Now that we know the superiority of 2.5mm for solving the space issue, I'm sure a company as "courageous" as Apple will fix their mistake and use 2.5mm instead. Right?
2.5 mm jack STILL means an Adapter "Dongle" for pretty much everything.
So, all the disadvantages of the old 3.5 mm jack (only worse, because it's smaller), with all of the disadvantages of "Dongle World".
Perfect!
The absolute worst aren't even the reboots in my experience - it's when you need to run out the door, go to shut down your laptop so you can slam the lid, toss it in a bag and go... and you get the dreaded "don't you dare touch this laptop for the next 5 minutes to 8 hours, important updates you can't control have started. Do you (a) hang around for an indeterminant amount of time waiting for the 5 minute... no, 1 hour... no, 30 seconds... no, 2 weeks... no... updates to grind away and miss your meeting/flight/dinner; or do you slam the lid anyway and run the very real risk of screwing up the OS.
Slam the lid. Despite the dire warnings, it NEVER messes anything up.
Now as for the genius that decided that Shutdown was the perfect time to start some indeterminate process...
There was mini USB before that, which again, was fine and could have been expanded by Apple. No excuse for their lame connectors. When they launched the first iPhone they didn't have to re-use the same crappy proprietary connector as the iPod.
And Apple created the Lightning connector NOT for vendor lock-in
Haha good one.
Why didn't Apple use USB-C on the iPhone 7?
Nice goalpost-movement. You said "microUSB". Then when I pointed out the flaw in your "logic" (if you can call your infantile mewling that), you tried to switch the argument to a completely different (but still horrible) connector.
Oh, give me a break, FFS! When Apple launched the first iPhone they had over 5 years of history of using that 30 pin connector for ALL their "mobile devices" and accessories therefor. People like you would have bitched to high-heaven if they'd suddenly switched for no apparent reason to a just-announced connector that CERTAINLY wasn't a "standard" in 2007 when the iPhone debuted.
Oh, and remember: The iPhone was announced in 2007, but it was designed well BEFORE the microUSB connector was even ANNOUNCED... in 2007.
You're full of shit. And ridiculous besides.
Now STFU and GTFO. We're done here.
No excuse. They could have designed a connector which is backward compatible with micro USB instead of their 30 pin connector. And they could never have used the crappy lightning connector.
Hey, dumbass!
The microUSB connector wasn't even in EXISTENCE when Apple designed the 30 pin iPod connector in 2001!
MicroUSB didn't even get ANNOUNCED until 2007, FFS!
I know Apple is pretty forward-thinking; but that's a little ridiculous, don't you think?
And Apple created the Lightning connector NOT for vendor lock-in; but rather to avoid what they sensed was going to be an EU mandate for microUSB, which they (oh so rightly) hated.
BTW, when the next-gen iPhone (logically, iPhone 8) was talked about here a few months ago, I predicted that Apple would rather rapidly phase-out the Lightning connector, now that USB-C was out; because it (finally) fulfilled all of the design-goals of the Lightning connector (and then some). This was made especially clear when the 2016 MBP came out with all USB-C/TB3.
And guess what?...
Indeed. The first portable device (iPod, iPhone, iPad) from Apple with a standard connector. Hell is really freezing over. What's next? They will have removable batteries?
Ecause this is the first standard connector that can support everything Apple wants to do with it.
I still remember when the entire smartphone industry was doing usb connectors, including blackberries (so not only android land), only apple refused and went with lightning connectors.
Ecause they care about their users, and so did not want to subject them to the terrible micro-USB connector.
Seriously.
Not really, something that big and that close would have been spotted more than 10 minutes out.
Who gives a shit? You still got the point, didn't you? Or are you just a chatbot-in-training?
Those sound like EXCEEDINGLY bad-mannered Applications!!! macOS Apps are NOT supposed to spray files all over the OS, PERIOD! I'd be pissed as HELL if I installed something that acted like it was installing on Windows or Linux, spraying files over the entire hard drive! Ick!!!
You wrote "linux" but should have written "unix". And there's the rub. Mac is unix, and half the software I install on it is unix-like software (e.g. the nginx example I quoted), and so it naturally does spray all over the hard drive.
You're right; OS X/MacOS IS Unix, and has the certifications to prove it.
And yet, native Mac Applications are almost always designed to keep their dependencies in the App Bundle; so why can't UNIX and Linux Apps that are ported to MacOS Play by the rules? The answer is they can, of course; but arrogant arrested-development-developers simply don't give a shit about defecating all over your hard drive. Afterall, it's what everyone else does, right?
Well, the Mac proves that you can have a *nix-based system and STILL not be an asshole developer. Your dependencies are where they are because that's where the Developer put them.
Ridiculous.
If you're really worried about that 4 KB prefs file on your 4 TB drive, then they are as easy to delete as the Application Bundle itself: http://echoone.com/tips/how-to.... Oh, and that took exactly .000025 ns to Google, Hater.
(1) As in the example I posted (of nginx), it's not just prefs that are left behind. Nginx leaves behind sbin binaries, for instance. Opam inserts lines into my .bashrc. And Wireshark? I have no idea what tendrils it inserted, nor how to get rid of them, nor if their persistence would be a security hole, so I've been too scared to even install it.
(2) It's not the size of prefs that are the problem -- it's their existence, and the assurance that when I next install the software it will be "clean" without any leftovers. (E.g. last month for me, Camtasia was producing MOVs fine but only silence in its MP4s. I tried to delete+reinstall it but without success. The technical support folks advised me to delete the prefs, and then it started working again). It honestly never would have occurred to me that this kind of bug could be caused by *preferences*, so it took me about 2 days to resolve, considerably more than your 0.000025 ns.
Those sound like EXCEEDINGLY bad-mannered Applications!!!
macOS Apps are NOT supposed to spray files all over the OS, PERIOD! I'd be pissed as HELL if I installed something that acted like it was installing on Windows or Linux, spraying files over the entire hard drive! Ick!!! That's what Application Bundles are for, FFS!!!
Camtasia is a pretty crappily-designed App. On my Win7 work laptop, I had to fiddle and fiddle and FIDDLE with various Sound Control Panels to get it to deign to both record sound from the mic input, and output sound to the headphone jack. Sheesh!!! What I would have done for "Audio/MIDI Setup" like in macOS!!!
So I don't doubt one little bit that Camtasia barely fucking works on macOS. I like the editing, zooming, and annotation capabilities; but it's a nightmare under the hood, especially sound-wise!
Having said all that, it has been "one of the first things to try" for misbehaving Mac Applications for DECADES (even before OS X) to "Trash the Prefs". Usually you just drag them onto the Desktop (so you can easily put them back), then try re-launching the Application. Mac Applications are SUPPOSED to re-build their Prefs file if they can't find it where it is supposed to be.
What? A 1200 calorie a day diet for a teenager is child abuse.
I certainly felt so, LOL!
On the one hand, I accused Apple of exactly this within the past few weeks
And you are nothing but a retarded Hater for doing it.
developers can still sign code with their key when selling other ways, including boxed retail.
Then how can a developer sign code when distributing software through non-commercial means, particularly free software? Though price competition has made the cost of a domain-validated TLS certificate trivial, with Let's Encrypt offering 90-day certificates to domain owners without charge and SSLs.com offering 3-year certificates for $5 per year, there's as of yet no counterpart to those for code signing on macOS or Windows.
Those macOS (and iOS) Developer Certs are FREE, as in Beer, dumbass. It only costs if you want to be listed in the Mac App Store (or iOS App Store).
Yet Apple and Google appear to be able to get away with it....
Get away with what?
Nobody wants the store model, even on OS X where it arguably works better because of no pre-installed malware. The right thing, is a) to never let users run as admin, b) tar and feather apps that do not properly work without admin. Astroturf slashdot with developers who still haven't gotten the message, rather than try to convince us MS isn't evil anymore, which we'll never believe anyway.
There's no reason for 99% of apps out there to actually need administrator privileges, but for some reason, many still do not work properly without it...probably because the devs always run in admin and don't test with anything else (or don't test at all, which seems to be the case sometimes).
Welcome to the OS X/macOS model. Been that way since day 1.