I just helped my elderly brother with his older core 2 duo iMac. Can't run chrome at all and Safari won't bring up many sites because it only supports TLS1.0. The OS cannot be upgraded past 10.6.3. Firefox seems to work barely, but this computer is essentially unusable for basic home computer tasks.
All because Apple won't allow a newer OS to be installed. You could run Linux on a computer 25 years old.The latest Windows 10 runs OK on core 2 duo era computers.
As a former fanboy, I have piles of Apple products that are prematurely made useless by corporate choice.
Would you rather pay $129 per version of macOS? Because I believe that is the tradeoff...
Obviously a complaint from someone with no experience on the matter. I work for a large electronics company. We used to sell equipment with filters for tha fans. Guess what? They plug up faster and cause the equipment to fail sooner than if it was there or not.
Doesn't matter that they were serviceable/replaceable. Doesn't matter we talked about it in the manual. That's just the way it is.
Apple has also made the other compromise of making their laptops so thin with such inadequate passive cooling that the fans probably have to run at near full throttle the entire time they are turned on to even pass enough air though the piss-ant heat sink to keep the things from going thermonuclear.
You REALLY need to have a little KNOWLEDGE to go with all that HATE...
Apple has a well-deserved and WELL-KNOWN reputation for having an across-the-board and throughout-all-time obsession with LOW fan speeds and QUIETER operation.
And you would know that if you had even BOTHERED to EVER look.
So, just GTFO with your unsubstantiated and unsupportable Hater nonsense. The rest of us are trying to have an INTELLIGENT discussion here.
They sell obsolete, irrepairable cheaply made crap with high prices to iDiots. Nothing new there, only that some iDiots have started asking if they actually should get something in return for high price, not just a shiny case with apple logo.
No, every other device works fine. Literally it is pretty much just Apple. Why should products not be made to suit the average person? It sounds like you are the one with special requirements. You want it so then it has to be used in a clean room.
They already ARE made to suit the average filthy household, and I have about 40 years of Apple-product-ownership to prove it!
So people with Apple products aren't allowed to have animals? Just because those environments don't suit you snowflake, it doesn't mean that they aren't within the range of cleanliness of the average home that a laptop may need to work in.
I don't know what environment these "victims" are living-in; but I live in a 100 year old house, with carpet, a dog and a cat, and one cigarette smoker. The exposed furniture surfaces grow a nice patina of dust in just a few days. IOW, the direct antithesis of a "Clean Room".
I have had Apple equipment since there was Apple equipment, including my daily-driver laptop, a mid-2012 non-retina MacBook Pro. My G5 tower, which had that cheese-grater front, multiple fans, and NO FILTER, has run 24/7/365.25 since April, 2005.
Not ONE of ANY of my Apple equipment, past or present, has had ANY problems whatsoever; let alone any that I would attribute to overheating or dust/airflow issues.
* The frequencies for "5G" are so high, the barely get through anything at all. You nearly could as well just use laser. * Everyone in your area still has to share the same base station, with likely the same slow connection to the Internet. * The caps will still be complete jokes. * There is no 5G standard yet, so they will not work right, as soon as the standard is finalized and rolled out.
Great job, Qualcomm! Trying to force your version to become the de-facto standard, no matter what the rest of the 3GPP agree on, are we?
Someone has to have the courage to push tech forward and it sure isnt apple.
This. I'll grant that Apple innovates in design. But technology? Not so much.
This isn't innovating in technology, this is innovating in MARKETING. "5G" is this season's cellphone Buzzword. Kudos to Qualcomm in getting a bunch of news-starved Tech-writer Sycophants to lap this up like it's the Second Cumming; when it hasn't even finished FOREPLAY yet...
So, if Qualcomm's SoC history is any indicator, this will have 240 CPU cores running at 6 GHz, and will require a Series 24 car battery for 4 hours of operation; but still have performance not quite as good as Apple's A8 CPU from 2014.
The problem is that as more people overload 4G networks, the solution will be the 5G networks and Apple users will be stuck with overloaded 4G networks. Odd that Apple, which in the past has been eager to embrace new technology such as Lightning, USB C, etc. (some would say before its time) now is a laggard.
Apple INVENTED "Lightning", they didn't "Embrace" it.
And many other posters on this thread have agreed that rolling-out 5G support at this point would be premature, as the infrastructure won't really be there for a few more years.
Not to mention the additional $120/year if you want to use iCloud to actually store anything beyond half a backup of the phone.
Of course, that's COMPLETELY optional.
Plus, you can also backup your iPhone to your Personal Computer for FREE, using iTunes.
Also, There are several things that iCloud Backup does NOT waste space on, like, for example, Apps, or anything else already retrievable from iCloud; so your worst-case example (an iPhone with 512 GB) could very possibly not have over 200 GB of actual Data to Back-up; so that reduces the cost to $3/month, or $35/year.
Want Apple to agree to let your replace the battery and use the phone longer than a year without massive slowdowns? You're going to need to shell out for that too.
Really?
My iPhone 6 Plus has its original battery, and it shows 93% capacity remaining and NO "slowdowns".
There's a tiny percentage of people who buy new phones every year. Apple is basically making their design decisions based on them plus idiots who don't know any better.
Boy have YOU been guzzling the Hatorade!
If Apple was basing the design decisions on people who upgrade their iPhones every year, then why in the HELL would they have SPECIFICALLY designed iOS 12 to NOT ONLY support EVERY 64-bit iPhone, all the way back to the iPhone 5s, but ALSO to SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE the PERFORMANCE of OLDER HARDWARE? They even made a point of that point at the iPhone "Event" in September.
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Apple devices are designed to go "vintage"
I just helped my elderly brother with his older core 2 duo iMac. Can't run chrome at all and Safari won't bring up many sites because it only supports TLS1.0. The OS cannot be upgraded past 10.6.3. Firefox seems to work barely, but this computer is essentially unusable for basic home computer tasks.
All because Apple won't allow a newer OS to be installed. You could run Linux on a computer 25 years old.The latest Windows 10 runs OK on core 2 duo era computers.
As a former fanboy, I have piles of Apple products that are prematurely made useless by corporate choice.
Would you rather pay $129 per version of macOS? Because I believe that is the tradeoff...
Obviously a complaint from someone with no experience on the matter. I work for a large electronics company. We used to sell equipment with filters for tha fans. Guess what? They plug up faster and cause the equipment to fail sooner than if it was there or not.
Doesn't matter that they were serviceable/replaceable. Doesn't matter we talked about it in the manual. That's just the way it is.
Spoken like the voice of experience!
I'm referring to fans. Yes, cooling is needed, but not with fans. No go back to your cave Sheldon.
Sure! Just tell me where on your laptop that you want the fpt connector for the WATER HOSE, instead.
Apple hardware is designed by the marketing people. They do have engineers vetting the design, but they aren't always listened to.
Congratulations! You have described EVERY product known to man.
Thanks for the design help, guys. 'Coz us engineers have no idea how to design computers.
Precisely.
Apple EOL'ed the 6S+ about 8 months after they shipped the last new one. They didn't get iOS 8.whatever that had the slowdown baked in.
You're an idiot.
EVERY iPhone back to the 5s can receive every iOS version up to and including the most recent version of iOS 12.
Apple has also made the other compromise of making their laptops so thin with such inadequate passive cooling that the fans probably have to run at near full throttle the entire time they are turned on to even pass enough air though the piss-ant heat sink to keep the things from going thermonuclear.
You REALLY need to have a little KNOWLEDGE to go with all that HATE...
Apple has a well-deserved and WELL-KNOWN reputation for having an across-the-board and throughout-all-time obsession with LOW fan speeds and QUIETER operation.
And you would know that if you had even BOTHERED to EVER look.
So, just GTFO with your unsubstantiated and unsupportable Hater nonsense. The rest of us are trying to have an INTELLIGENT discussion here.
They sell obsolete, irrepairable cheaply made crap with high prices to iDiots. Nothing new there, only that some iDiots have started asking if they actually should get something in return for high price, not just a shiny case with apple logo.
Log in and say that, COWARD, or STFU!
(Cr)apple
1998 called, and it wants its retarded epithet back.
No, every other device works fine. Literally it is pretty much just Apple. Why should products not be made to suit the average person? It sounds like you are the one with special requirements. You want it so then it has to be used in a clean room.
They already ARE made to suit the average filthy household, and I have about 40 years of Apple-product-ownership to prove it!
https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
So people with Apple products aren't allowed to have animals? Just because those environments don't suit you snowflake, it doesn't mean that they aren't within the range of cleanliness of the average home that a laptop may need to work in.
I don't know what environment these "victims" are living-in; but I live in a 100 year old house, with carpet, a dog and a cat, and one cigarette smoker. The exposed furniture surfaces grow a nice patina of dust in just a few days. IOW, the direct antithesis of a "Clean Room".
I have had Apple equipment since there was Apple equipment, including my daily-driver laptop, a mid-2012 non-retina MacBook Pro. My G5 tower, which had that cheese-grater front, multiple fans, and NO FILTER, has run 24/7/365.25 since April, 2005.
Not ONE of ANY of my Apple equipment, past or present, has had ANY problems whatsoever; let alone any that I would attribute to overheating or dust/airflow issues.
Actually there's a lot of that shit going on these days.
Sure, but the other companies don't have as much money as Apple.
This law firm chooses defendants the same way Willie Sutton chose banks.
Precisely.
Nobody that also glues the cases closed, anyway.
Citation, please.
Me neither. But you can argue that Apple's obsession with thinness and irrepairability makes them necessary.
But then, you can argue anything...
* The frequencies for "5G" are so high, the barely get through anything at all. You nearly could as well just use laser.
* Everyone in your area still has to share the same base station, with likely the same slow connection to the Internet.
* The caps will still be complete jokes.
* There is no 5G standard yet, so they will not work right, as soon as the standard is finalized and rolled out.
Great job, Qualcomm!
Trying to force your version to become the de-facto standard, no matter what the rest of the 3GPP agree on, are we?
Spot-On: Mod this to Infinity!
Removing the headphone jack wasn't courage. It was idiotic.
RIght. Faster horses and all...
Someone has to have the courage to push tech forward and it sure isnt apple.
This. I'll grant that Apple innovates in design. But technology? Not so much.
This isn't innovating in technology, this is innovating in MARKETING. "5G" is this season's cellphone Buzzword. Kudos to Qualcomm in getting a bunch of news-starved Tech-writer Sycophants to lap this up like it's the Second Cumming; when it hasn't even finished FOREPLAY yet...
So, if Qualcomm's SoC history is any indicator, this will have 240 CPU cores running at 6 GHz, and will require a Series 24 car battery for 4 hours of operation; but still have performance not quite as good as Apple's A8 CPU from 2014.
Then why didn't you disprove him?
Funny, that... ;-)
Citation required
Easily done!
https://www.cultofmac.com/5711...
https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/05...
https://appleinsider.com/artic...
https://www.engadget.com/2018/...
https://www.imore.com/how-ios-...
ET FUCKING CETERA...
Any questions?
The problem is that as more people overload 4G networks, the solution will be the 5G networks and Apple users will be stuck with overloaded 4G networks.
Odd that Apple, which in the past has been eager to embrace new technology such as Lightning, USB C, etc. (some would say before its time) now is a laggard.
Apple INVENTED "Lightning", they didn't "Embrace" it.
And many other posters on this thread have agreed that rolling-out 5G support at this point would be premature, as the infrastructure won't really be there for a few more years.
Not to mention the additional $120/year if you want to use iCloud to actually store anything beyond half a backup of the phone.
Of course, that's COMPLETELY optional.
Plus, you can also backup your iPhone to your Personal Computer for FREE, using iTunes.
Also, There are several things that iCloud Backup does NOT waste space on, like, for example, Apps, or anything else already retrievable from iCloud; so your worst-case example (an iPhone with 512 GB) could very possibly not have over 200 GB of actual Data to Back-up; so that reduces the cost to $3/month, or $35/year.
https://support.apple.com/en-u...
And, quite frankly, not very many people will opt for that much Storage in their iPhone, anyway.
So, once again, the Hater is easily defeated by FACTS.
Want Apple to agree to let your replace the battery and use the phone longer than a year without massive slowdowns? You're going to need to shell out for that too.
Really?
My iPhone 6 Plus has its original battery, and it shows 93% capacity remaining and NO "slowdowns".
Try again, Hater.
Upgrade to enough space to hold more than the stock apps and you easily hit $1500.
You DO realize, of course, that easily-disprovable statements like that just make you look like MORE of an idiot than you do already, right?
There's a tiny percentage of people who buy new phones every year. Apple is basically making their design decisions based on them plus idiots who don't know any better.
Boy have YOU been guzzling the Hatorade!
If Apple was basing the design decisions on people who upgrade their iPhones every year, then why in the HELL would they have SPECIFICALLY designed iOS 12 to NOT ONLY support EVERY 64-bit iPhone, all the way back to the iPhone 5s, but ALSO to SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE the PERFORMANCE of OLDER HARDWARE? They even made a point of that point at the iPhone "Event" in September.
So sorry; your meme is unsupported by the FACTS.
As usual with blind Apple Hatred...