I run SuSE 7.2 with KDE 2.1 and Mozilla 0.9.2 and I was asked recently by a friend to tell him how his site looked in Mozilla in Linux.
I did a screen capture and sent it to him.
He said it looked better than it did on IE 5.5 on his Windows box.
There is a font problem with Netscape 4.7....but if you are still using that old piece of crap then it's time to upgrade.
All W3 Standard Compliant web pages that I view look close to the same on SuSE in Mozilla 0.9.2 as they do on my Windows 2k IE 5.5.
And in reference to the comment about the guy who has IE crashing all the time must be doing something wrong with his system sounds like Microsoft FUD.
I have experienced a few crashes myself, mostly at hotmail.com while using IE 5.5. Which goes to show what...well if you frequent certain sites that happen to tickle the right spot in a browser it can crash it like nobody's business...IE or Mozilla or whoever. So instead of slamming the guy why not point him to some helpful IE resources.
>There are many disadvantages to being poor. It's not fair that the rich get to be the first tourist either...but hey.
That should have been...space tourist...;)
>I just can't see how a refund system is possible - you already got the information, what if you don't like it, it's wrong, or simply low quality in general? We shouldn't pay for something you can't get a refund if it's defective.
Well there is some trust involved there. You watch a movie...you don't like it...tough noogies...now if you leave in the first few minutes...you get your money back in whole or in part. If you sign up for whatever.com and you try it for a day and it sucks then you say...give me my money back. In some cases you will get hassled..in some cases you won't...if they are a legitimate business you get your money back in either case whether content provider or movie theatre.
>Unwealthy people won't get the same information that richer people will have access to.
There are many disadvantages to being poor. It's not fair that the rich get to be the first tourist either...but hey.
Now should there be internet in the classroom like cable in the classroom...more than likely our taxes should pay for that. If it's educational...but not all content is educational.
>People will prefer to read info from sites they already paid for, therefore they might get locked in big-evil-corps sites and won't read other information
Like MSNBC...yeah well the only way a smaller company can compete is if it has access to money. Which is real hard to come by if you are smaller...you have to have your supporters support you. Otherwise the big guys make a free site with their propaganda and run all over the little guy. Doesn't matter how great your content is...it costs money to get people to your site. Word of mouth only goes so far when your competition has the money to brainwash.
>Micropayments will not remain micro. if you can find somebody who will pay a higher price for it, they'll pay for it, and you'll probably wouldn't be able to afford it.
Micropayments will never work in the mainstream.
>If we set a standard and pay for some information suppliers, authors will feel they ought to get paid for information they supply. Without that pay they might not supply it at all
Of course they should get paid...they are doing the work that you are enjoying...We have no rights to information unless we have invested our time, energy or money (which is a representation of someones work...hopefully thier own.)
No one owes us anything unless we have 'paid' for that right. When I say paid I mean through our efforts whether they are money, time or anything that we have given up for the exchange.
Do we have the right to know what our politicians are doing...yes...if you pay taxes you are paying for them to do that job. Well why pay CNN to tell us what our politicians are doing...well if you don't want to pay CNN then go put you on some sunglasses and following as many as you can. Of course you will lose your job in the meantime...and probably get thrown in jail....but hey...if you really want to know. But that wasn't very free was it. Now is it fair that someone has to police these guys for us to know what is going on...no sir...it isn't. But life ain't fair...and information ain't free.
Don't Pay. Don't click on advertisements. Don't do anything except consume. I'm sure that will work.
I am sick of sites that I enjoy going out of business. I will admit I do not think I have ever clicked on a banner...I don't think click throughs work....Name recognition...now that is something else...like those stupid Oracle ads on news.com...sure they are annoying and distracting...but I sure as heck think of their name when I think about databasing.
I WANT A FREE INTERNET!! well yeah...I like free things as much as the next person...but I am not stupid either. If I keep taking and never give anyting back eventually things will dry up. But the thing is when you give back it has to be of value to the Internet for the internet to benefit. And guess what people...not everyone on the internet has the net savvy, time or want to donate back in the same way that a lot of us do...They live outside of this realm but like to visit from time to time. How do they give back when they take...well they use this little thing they call money. They perform some service in the real world and then they go to the virtual to consume...There are a lot of these people out there...yes it's true...I have seen them...and guess what...there are a whole lot more of them than there are of us...and they are sucking us dry...and not putting anything back in.
We are spending tons of time and money not to just benefit the internet developers...but eveyone who accesses the internet. Well I only have so much time in a day...and I have to make choices...I can either donate my time and energy for free and starve...or I can request a small amount of restitution for my efforts and eat. Will everyone find need for my services...nope...but will some find it of value...hopefully...and if it isn't then eventually I will go away.
Information does 'not' want to be free as in beer...sure information should be accessible by everyone...but who makes that available? Who pays to get that to the masses? It sure as hell ain't going to grow legs and walk to you. If you want the information...go out and gather it...or pay someone to do it for you so you will have the time to do things that you enjoy.
It's called AOL.
AOL is the future of pay sites. I don't like AOL...but I know it is true.
Soon you will pay a provider for general access and/or premium services.
General Access to the semi-free sites (those who generate revenue through ads...ie...slashdot) and free sites (personal sites, retail-catalog sites...ie...Sears.., libraries and other state agencies, advocacy sites...and so on.)
Then the premium sites (News Sites, Music Sites, Movie Sites...basically what you see in your current cable programming.)
It will all be bundled into one nice payment package that you pay to your service provider.
'Yes I would like the sports package please...does that include the live Real Audio Feed of MLB? Cool...can I watch that at work? What..why not...oh...it has to be on my computer at home that I subscribed through...ok...oh well...yeah I guess go ahead and still sign me up....do I have to pay anything to Real? No...it's all bundled into the sports package...ok cool. Thanks.'
brian
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I run SuSE 7.2 with KDE 2.1 and Mozilla 0.9.2 and I was asked recently by a friend to tell him how his site looked in Mozilla in Linux.
I did a screen capture and sent it to him.
He said it looked better than it did on IE 5.5 on his Windows box.
There is a font problem with Netscape 4.7....but if you are still using that old piece of crap then it's time to upgrade.
All W3 Standard Compliant web pages that I view look close to the same on SuSE in Mozilla 0.9.2 as they do on my Windows 2k IE 5.5.
And in reference to the comment about the guy who has IE crashing all the time must be doing something wrong with his system sounds like Microsoft FUD.
I have experienced a few crashes myself, mostly at hotmail.com while using IE 5.5. Which goes to show what...well if you frequent certain sites that happen to tickle the right spot in a browser it can crash it like nobody's business...IE or Mozilla or whoever. So instead of slamming the guy why not point him to some helpful IE resources.
Brian
>There are many disadvantages to being poor. It's not fair that the rich get to be the first tourist either...but hey. That should have been...space tourist... ;)
>I just can't see how a refund system is possible - you already got the information, what if you don't like it, it's wrong, or simply low quality in general? We shouldn't pay for something you can't get a refund if it's defective.
Well there is some trust involved there. You watch a movie...you don't like it...tough noogies...now if you leave in the first few minutes...you get your money back in whole or in part. If you sign up for whatever.com and you try it for a day and it sucks then you say...give me my money back. In some cases you will get hassled..in some cases you won't...if they are a legitimate business you get your money back in either case whether content provider or movie theatre.
>Unwealthy people won't get the same information that richer people will have access to.
There are many disadvantages to being poor. It's not fair that the rich get to be the first tourist either...but hey.
Now should there be internet in the classroom like cable in the classroom...more than likely our taxes should pay for that. If it's educational...but not all content is educational.
>People will prefer to read info from sites they already paid for, therefore they might get locked in big-evil-corps sites and won't read other information
Like MSNBC...yeah well the only way a smaller company can compete is if it has access to money. Which is real hard to come by if you are smaller...you have to have your supporters support you. Otherwise the big guys make a free site with their propaganda and run all over the little guy. Doesn't matter how great your content is...it costs money to get people to your site. Word of mouth only goes so far when your competition has the money to brainwash.
>Micropayments will not remain micro. if you can find somebody who will pay a higher price for it, they'll pay for it, and you'll probably wouldn't be able to afford it.
Micropayments will never work in the mainstream.
>If we set a standard and pay for some information suppliers, authors will feel they ought to get paid for information they supply. Without that pay they might not supply it at all
Of course they should get paid...they are doing the work that you are enjoying...We have no rights to information unless we have invested our time, energy or money (which is a representation of someones work...hopefully thier own.)
No one owes us anything unless we have 'paid' for that right. When I say paid I mean through our efforts whether they are money, time or anything that we have given up for the exchange.
Do we have the right to know what our politicians are doing...yes...if you pay taxes you are paying for them to do that job. Well why pay CNN to tell us what our politicians are doing...well if you don't want to pay CNN then go put you on some sunglasses and following as many as you can. Of course you will lose your job in the meantime...and probably get thrown in jail....but hey...if you really want to know. But that wasn't very free was it. Now is it fair that someone has to police these guys for us to know what is going on...no sir...it isn't. But life ain't fair...and information ain't free.
Brian
Don't Pay. Don't click on advertisements. Don't do anything except consume. I'm sure that will work.
I am sick of sites that I enjoy going out of business. I will admit I do not think I have ever clicked on a banner...I don't think click throughs work....Name recognition...now that is something else...like those stupid Oracle ads on news.com...sure they are annoying and distracting...but I sure as heck think of their name when I think about databasing.
I WANT A FREE INTERNET!! well yeah...I like free things as much as the next person...but I am not stupid either. If I keep taking and never give anyting back eventually things will dry up. But the thing is when you give back it has to be of value to the Internet for the internet to benefit. And guess what people...not everyone on the internet has the net savvy, time or want to donate back in the same way that a lot of us do...They live outside of this realm but like to visit from time to time. How do they give back when they take...well they use this little thing they call money. They perform some service in the real world and then they go to the virtual to consume...There are a lot of these people out there...yes it's true...I have seen them...and guess what...there are a whole lot more of them than there are of us...and they are sucking us dry...and not putting anything back in.
We are spending tons of time and money not to just benefit the internet developers...but eveyone who accesses the internet. Well I only have so much time in a day...and I have to make choices...I can either donate my time and energy for free and starve...or I can request a small amount of restitution for my efforts and eat. Will everyone find need for my services...nope...but will some find it of value...hopefully...and if it isn't then eventually I will go away.
Information does 'not' want to be free as in beer...sure information should be accessible by everyone...but who makes that available? Who pays to get that to the masses? It sure as hell ain't going to grow legs and walk to you. If you want the information...go out and gather it...or pay someone to do it for you so you will have the time to do things that you enjoy.
Brian
It's called AOL. AOL is the future of pay sites. I don't like AOL...but I know it is true. Soon you will pay a provider for general access and/or premium services. General Access to the semi-free sites (those who generate revenue through ads...ie...slashdot) and free sites (personal sites, retail-catalog sites...ie...Sears.., libraries and other state agencies, advocacy sites...and so on.) Then the premium sites (News Sites, Music Sites, Movie Sites...basically what you see in your current cable programming.) It will all be bundled into one nice payment package that you pay to your service provider. 'Yes I would like the sports package please...does that include the live Real Audio Feed of MLB? Cool...can I watch that at work? What..why not...oh...it has to be on my computer at home that I subscribed through...ok...oh well...yeah I guess go ahead and still sign me up....do I have to pay anything to Real? No...it's all bundled into the sports package...ok cool. Thanks.' brian