Work your ass off. In no time you'll be their manager. Trust me. If you want to be professional, then be professional. Work as hard as you desire. It's what you get out of it, not what others do. Get used to encountering an incredible amount of idiots, morons, slackers. etc in the work place. It's pure statistics, if everyone were like you the world would be a better place, however you'll quickly realize there are more idiots in the world than not. Someone has to tell them what to do. Prepare yourself to realize that you can work your ass off, run circles around your peers, and not see an equitable compensation. You have to work your ass off, build your resume, work there 3-5 years and make a move to another company, take your experience and your professional work ethic and cash in on that. Also keep in mind that more often than not, managers are worse because the majority are managers because they caused more issues as developers.
I agree. I posted the article for the info, not to complain about the $100 cost. I think that they should do an approach that many companies have used, even a company I use to work for oh so many years ago, Mead Data Central (now called Lexis-Nexis i believe). They have a legal/news research tool that they gave to law schools for free. This way when the lawyers graduate and get a job, guess what tool they might want to use? And is wasn't free anymore.
They could do the same or a similar thing here. Charge joe internet guy a couple of bucks or give it away. If the product is great, then people like you will want to start using it at work. Ever read the book called "The Tipping Point"? Same thing could happen here, it could start a mass movement! That would be great. I would be all for it. Let's face it, if Lindows only works or is used by the hard core techie at home, what good is that for the greater cause?
It's your choice. As many of the replies have pointed out you can get a job with any of the degrees, of course getting a job may be easier with a CE/CS than with a CIS/MIS degree.
My feeling and experience (13+ years w/ a CS degree) is that you just need to get you foot in the door. If you do and you are a stellar programmer/developer/analyst then you can make your own future (please don't picture Chevy Chase telling a young caddie to make hist future...).
I feel that with a CE/CS degree, you have more options (i.e. more doors to get that foot in). I have been a hiring manager a couple of times in my career. I never really considered hiring MIS degrees. I wanted a technologist. One who could design and build complex systems. A person who has good communication skills, can work with a team is somewhat self motivated (especially by technology).
In my experience, mainly in banking/finance in wall street firms, is that in technolgy deptartemts, they want sharp experienced technologists, the business knowledge is secondary and will be learned on the job. A sound technology background in much more desirable.
As far as money, your potential dictates what you can make, the degree just dictates at what point you start on the pay scale.
My suggestion is to get the CE/CS degree. Yes they are more demanding, but will be more rewarding in the long rung. I mean this from an educational experience. If you consider an MIS degree, I can guarantee you that you've probably gained more technoligical skills and business skill in your 4 years of IT experience that you ever would in the MIS dept.
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Work your ass off. In no time you'll be their manager. Trust me. If you want to be professional, then be professional. Work as hard as you desire. It's what you get out of it, not what others do. Get used to encountering an incredible amount of idiots, morons, slackers. etc in the work place. It's pure statistics, if everyone were like you the world would be a better place, however you'll quickly realize there are more idiots in the world than not. Someone has to tell them what to do. Prepare yourself to realize that you can work your ass off, run circles around your peers, and not see an equitable compensation. You have to work your ass off, build your resume, work there 3-5 years and make a move to another company, take your experience and your professional work ethic and cash in on that. Also keep in mind that more often than not, managers are worse because the majority are managers because they caused more issues as developers.
I agree. I posted the article for the info, not to complain about the $100 cost. I think that they should do an approach that many companies have used, even a company I use to work for oh so many years ago, Mead Data Central (now called Lexis-Nexis i believe). They have a legal/news research tool that they gave to law schools for free. This way when the lawyers graduate and get a job, guess what tool they might want to use? And is wasn't free anymore.
They could do the same or a similar thing here. Charge joe internet guy a couple of bucks or give it away. If the product is great, then people like you will want to start using it at work. Ever read the book called "The Tipping Point"? Same thing could happen here, it could start a mass movement! That would be great. I would be all for it. Let's face it, if Lindows only works or is used by the hard core techie at home, what good is that for the greater cause?
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It's your choice. As many of the replies have pointed out you can get a job with any of the degrees, of course getting a job may be easier with a CE/CS than with a CIS/MIS degree.
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My feeling and experience (13+ years w/ a CS degree) is that you just need to get you foot in the door. If you do and you are a stellar programmer/developer/analyst then you can make your own future (please don't picture Chevy Chase telling a young caddie to make hist future
I feel that with a CE/CS degree, you have more options (i.e. more doors to get that foot in). I have been a hiring manager a couple of times in my career. I never really considered hiring MIS degrees. I wanted a technologist. One who could design and build complex systems. A person who has good communication skills, can work with a team is somewhat self motivated (especially by technology).
In my experience, mainly in banking/finance in wall street firms, is that in technolgy deptartemts, they want sharp experienced technologists, the business knowledge is secondary and will be learned on the job. A sound technology background in much more desirable.
As far as money, your potential dictates what you can make, the degree just dictates at what point you start on the pay scale.
My suggestion is to get the CE/CS degree. Yes they are more demanding, but will be more rewarding in the long rung. I mean this from an educational experience. If you consider an MIS degree, I can guarantee you that you've probably gained more technoligical skills and business skill in your 4 years of IT experience that you ever would in the MIS dept.