It seems to me that any sort of linked interface in a browser is simply a re-expression of every graphical windowing interface in history - Apple's Hypercard thingy for instance. Or Xerox's Star(?) interface. Or Apple's Finder, circa 1983 which is, of course, a conceptual copy of the Xerox interface. Or any X-windows program interface.
What we're talking about here is an absurdly obvious application of linking which is implicit in the HTML spec all the way back to 0.0 and which, as far as I can see, copies every point and click interface forever. IA-Obviously-NAL, but it seems patently obvious that this SBC patent can hold no more water than the recently overturned and completely lame patent on linking that BT tried to press against Prodigy.
Somehow, we have got to get some sanity into the patent process.
1. Don't make it illegal to do research or learn about security issues. It is necessary in order to provide security.
2. Don't make it illegal to announce security flaws and exploits. It is critical that information about security holes be open and available.
3. Prosecute people who cause damage by using software with malicious intent - not for developing software.
4. Either require Microsoft to fix their pathetically broken security model or allow people to recover damages from them for security lapses. The situation with Microsoft software vis a vis security is ludicrous.
5. Mostly keep the government out of the way - there is nothing the government or a bunch of new laws can do to make networks or the Internet more secure.
6. Encourage the FBI's NIPC to develop some minimum level of expertise and competence. Right now, there doesn't seem to be any. All they do is parrot what Microsoft tells them.
After reading the report on the Onion, I have a couple of questions: How is what Bush & Co are proposing different from the totalitarian regimes they are complaining about, and if we go along with this, what freedoms do we have left to defend?
What they are saying is that we have to give up our right to free speech in order that they can defend our right to free speech.
This is the most twisted, bizarre logic I have ever experienced.
Here is my stand: What makes us America, and makes us different, is a consitution based on individual freedoms and a government accountable to the people. If we give any of that up, we have already lost the war. The attack on the WTC will have been successful. It is only if we maintain our freedoms and our character and our constitution that we have a chance of winning. It is that freedom that makes us different from Osama Bin Laden. Give it up and we are they same as the terrorists.
The anti-codeRed doesn't reboot the computer, it just shuts it down and leaves it down. The owner is probably clueless enough that they will just start it back up again, but after a while, maybe they will get an idea that there is something they need to pay attention to.
Also, the anti-CodeRed thing is not another virus. It simply replies to requests for/default.ida from an infected system and tries to shutdown that system. It does not then propogate itself into other computers. It just takes advantage of the IIS fault in already infected servers.
I haven't run this anti-CodeRed script, so I can't say if it works. I have mixed feelings about the ethics of it. But it is really tempting since I am getting sick of the hundreds of CodeRed probes I'm getting every day and the constant ARPing against my cable modem.
we have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Requiring law-abiding citizens to allow any brigand to boldly stroll into a person's house and demand all their posessions denies me my rights
Go back and check your history again. The "life, liberty, and pursuit" etc is in the Declaration of Independence which is not a basis of law. The constitution doesn't say squat about it, not even in the Bill of Rights. You only have a "right" to what the people with the power let you have.
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Hey don't worry about it man, I've got a couple of machines trawling through the address space doing deltrees on these motherfuckers. Screw NT and 2k, install Linux!
And just how does that make you any different than the assholes who released this crap? You are damaging other people's property. Trying to disinfect might be considered acceptable self-defense. Destroying someone's filesystem after a virus left their system open is just opportunistic bullying like the scum who tried to rob the guy in San Jose after he got hit by a bus.
Just read on The Register that Code Red has cost business $8.2 billion in repair cost and lost productivity. Horse pucky. I can't believe that the actual cost is even an insignificant fraction of that. How much does it cost for an MSCE to reboot a Win2K server? These kind of artificially inflated numbers are just more justification for misguided legislation and heavy handed corporate tactics.
Actually, when you look at this coverage, it's pretty scary. Not Code Red, but the FUD and scare tactics that are coming out of "official" sources. The FBI clearly needs something to bolster its severely tarnished credibility re tachnical issues, the White House always needs something dire to distract the public away from what it's really doing and Microsoft stands to lose more credibility if it gets identified as the weakest link(tm). That line about the Internet being crucial to national security is the kicker - that could be the excuse that the government needs to reinforce DMCA as a means of restricting and re-structuring the net to make it "secure", meaning to make it a tool for propogating the party line and Microsoft software. Like I said, scary.
Actually, I think McCarthyism was principally instigated by Joseph McCarthy. He used Hoover to do some of the dirty work, sure. But it might be a stretch to say that Hoover instigated McCarthyism.
I transferred my domain away from NetSol a few weeks ago because I got a misleading and somewhat threatening piece of junk mail from a partner of theirs claiming that my domain was expiring and I would lose it if I didn't renew with this company right away (ironic in light of NetSol's complaints, I think).
I didn't have any problems with the transfer, but I have since recieved two email invoices from Network Solutions to renew my registration that they don't have any more. And they wonder why people are leaving...
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It seems to me that any sort of linked interface in a browser is simply a re-expression of every graphical windowing interface in history - Apple's Hypercard thingy for instance. Or Xerox's Star(?) interface. Or Apple's Finder, circa 1983 which is, of course, a conceptual copy of the Xerox interface. Or any X-windows program interface.
What we're talking about here is an absurdly obvious application of linking which is implicit in the HTML spec all the way back to 0.0 and which, as far as I can see, copies every point and click interface forever. IA-Obviously-NAL, but it seems patently obvious that this SBC patent can hold no more water than the recently overturned and completely lame patent on linking that BT tried to press against Prodigy.
Somehow, we have got to get some sanity into the patent process.
1. Don't make it illegal to do research or learn about security issues. It is necessary in order to provide security.
2. Don't make it illegal to announce security flaws and exploits. It is critical that information about security holes be open and available.
3. Prosecute people who cause damage by using software with malicious intent - not for developing software.
4. Either require Microsoft to fix their pathetically broken security model or allow people to recover damages from them for security lapses. The situation with Microsoft software vis a vis security is ludicrous.
5. Mostly keep the government out of the way - there is nothing the government or a bunch of new laws can do to make networks or the Internet more secure.
6. Encourage the FBI's NIPC to develop some minimum level of expertise and competence. Right now, there doesn't seem to be any. All they do is parrot what Microsoft tells them.
After reading the report on the Onion, I have a couple of questions: How is what Bush & Co are proposing different from the totalitarian regimes they are complaining about, and if we go along with this, what freedoms do we have left to defend?
What they are saying is that we have to give up our right to free speech in order that they can defend our right to free speech.
This is the most twisted, bizarre logic I have ever experienced.
Here is my stand: What makes us America, and makes us different, is a consitution based on individual freedoms and a government accountable to the people. If we give any of that up, we have already lost the war. The attack on the WTC will have been successful. It is only if we maintain our freedoms and our character and our constitution that we have a chance of winning. It is that freedom that makes us different from Osama Bin Laden. Give it up and we are they same as the terrorists.
The anti-codeRed doesn't reboot the computer, it just shuts it down and leaves it down. The owner is probably clueless enough that they will just start it back up again, but after a while, maybe they will get an idea that there is something they need to pay attention to.
/default.ida from an infected system and tries to shutdown that system. It does not then propogate itself into other computers. It just takes advantage of the IIS fault in already infected servers.
Also, the anti-CodeRed thing is not another virus. It simply replies to requests for
I haven't run this anti-CodeRed script, so I can't say if it works. I have mixed feelings about the ethics of it. But it is really tempting since I am getting sick of the hundreds of CodeRed probes I'm getting every day and the constant ARPing against my cable modem.
we have a right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Requiring law-abiding citizens to allow any brigand to boldly stroll into a person's house and demand all their posessions denies me my rights
Go back and check your history again. The "life, liberty, and pursuit" etc is in the Declaration of Independence which is not a basis of law. The constitution doesn't say squat about it, not even in the Bill of Rights. You only have a "right" to what the people with the power let you have.
Hey don't worry about it man, I've got a couple of machines trawling through the address space doing deltrees on these motherfuckers. Screw NT and 2k, install Linux!
And just how does that make you any different than the assholes who released this crap? You are damaging other people's property. Trying to disinfect might be considered acceptable self-defense. Destroying someone's filesystem after a virus left their system open is just opportunistic bullying like the scum who tried to rob the guy in San Jose after he got hit by a bus.
Jackal.
Just read on The Register that Code Red has cost business $8.2 billion in repair cost and lost productivity. Horse pucky. I can't believe that the actual cost is even an insignificant fraction of that. How much does it cost for an MSCE to reboot a Win2K server? These kind of artificially inflated numbers are just more justification for misguided legislation and heavy handed corporate tactics.
Actually, when you look at this coverage, it's pretty scary. Not Code Red, but the FUD and scare tactics that are coming out of "official" sources. The FBI clearly needs something to bolster its severely tarnished credibility re tachnical issues, the White House always needs something dire to distract the public away from what it's really doing and Microsoft stands to lose more credibility if it gets identified as the weakest link(tm). That line about the Internet being crucial to national security is the kicker - that could be the excuse that the government needs to reinforce DMCA as a means of restricting and re-structuring the net to make it "secure", meaning to make it a tool for propogating the party line and Microsoft software. Like I said, scary.
This must make Code Red about the most effective DoS attacke ever.
Actually, I think McCarthyism was principally instigated by Joseph McCarthy. He used Hoover to do some of the dirty work, sure. But it might be a stretch to say that Hoover instigated McCarthyism.
I transferred my domain away from NetSol a few weeks ago because I got a misleading and somewhat threatening piece of junk mail from a partner of theirs claiming that my domain was expiring and I would lose it if I didn't renew with this company right away (ironic in light of NetSol's complaints, I think). I didn't have any problems with the transfer, but I have since recieved two email invoices from Network Solutions to renew my registration that they don't have any more. And they wonder why people are leaving...