Which rights are those? Since the software isn't yours, really, you have no right to be adding to it if you don't believe in the license(Though you legally have them because the GPL is free in that regard), and you legally DON'T have the right to make money off of said software if you don't want to follow the terms.
I recommend you take some reading comprehension classes before telling me what's explicitly stated in articles the future.
All machines were tested with 1GB of RAM and the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card; the Mac version of the graphics card has a maximum of 128MB of RAM, while the high end for PCs is 256MB.
Then perhaps you should stop getting so emotionally involved in a subject you aren't connected to. The benchmarks are of a certain set of applications. This set of applications runs faster on the Athlon 64-bit architecture. All the whining and all the silly reasoning on the face of the planet won't change that. Yet all I've seen in this thread thus far are silly, irrational, emotional arguements that don't really have any reason to exist, other than to support a demographic who for once in their lives wants to believe their traditionally slow and expensive system isn't so slow and expensive. Sure, Lies, damned lies, statistics, and benchmarks, but from whom? I'd wager the Apple supporters in this thread, who are bickering over every trivial difference as if it will magically make the G5 faster than the Athlon for these applications. It won't. All the 32 bit Word benchmarks in the world won't change that.
As I said in another thread, if you nitpick enough, you can make a motorola 68k look faster than the G5. These are relatively real-world benchmarks. Differences happen.
True, but at this point, they're also changing parts. Things like MMX and SIMD are no doubt much closer to machine code than you'd think. Without any translation at all, I fear we'd end up with some Itanium-kin which would be impossible to code for by hand.:)
Are you going to do something other than pointlessly spew rhetoric, or do you like having nonsensical arguements?
Whether you like it or not, MS Office is a popular application. It's an application that many people use. Whether you like it or not, it's a major selling point of the OS. Now, unless you're going for a mere abstract view of how the processors perform, in which you wouldn't run a single application that wasn't a carefully balanced benchmark which timed loops of individual instructions and equasions which don't change from system to system, the applications that get used often are a useful benchmark of how fast a system is. If nobody wants to do a decent port, that's not the reviewers fault for choosing a bunch of programs which run on both platforms and assuming that it gave a decent indicator of performance of that application, but the people in this thread are screaming foul for every reason from "well it's not real 64-bit" to "the G5 is supposed to run 3-6x faster when the memory is upped to 2 gigs!".
And no, extra memory will not significantly alter performance, especially not on a three year old game like Quake 3. They simply didn't design the game to need that much texture memory. The difference between 128 and 256 megs of video memory is tiny at the best of times, as countless benchmarks have shown. The difference, as I recall, was less than the margin for error on the tests.
Are you so petty that you need to resort to swearing at me in some vain attempt to gain the upper hand? Are you so ignorant as to believe that insulting a faceless voice on slashdot will somehow make you seem like something other than a spoiled child who is angry that their favourite platform got what you see to be an unfair review?
You know, AMD and Linux fans never resorted to swearing when Intel and Windows were beathing them...
If you're a fan of well-designed systems, perhaps you should be more impressed by the Athlon series, which converts CISC instructions into RISC-ish instructions and runs those instructions through a RISC-ish core to attain inhuman speeds. That's an example of taking what you have, and building upon it, which is far more impressive than dropping the whole hardware platform and starting again from scratch. In fact, you might say it's the mark of a well-designed system that they're able to be extended in such ways.
Nothing on that site implies that there was anything other than 1 gigabyte of ram and a Radeon 9800 pro in any of the systems tested. As for "nobody uses premiere", I guess there's one, isn't there?
You know, if you nitpick enough, I'm sure you can get a motorola 68k to outpreforma G5. Of course, here in the real world, extra video memory makes absolutely no difference in any of those tests, and I see not one but TWO systems with standard hard drives. And Of course, we're supposed to be benchmarking only the best and brightest of mac applications, because nobody in their right mind would use industry standard video software! And Microsoft Word? Who would want to use that? I mean, sure it's a major selling point of macs, and sure it's probably one of the most massively used applications for macs, but....Well, we want Apple to win, no matter how abstract and useless the numbers are!
Yeah! hahaha, stupid Intel people better look out, because a dual G5 is faster than a single Athlon 64! 1 4r3 t3h 31337 r0xx0rz m4c u53rz!
You should be aware of your own biases before complaining about others'. Two on two, the mac got trounced, even in it's native territory. As for the rest of the benchmarks, how sad that often-used applications run like crap. I guess maybe the mac isn't the powerhouse of appley greatness once you get away from a slim reigion of three applications nobody uses, but run great. AMD had to deal with it when they were against the wall with the Athlon XP, and now Apple has to deal with it.
Whose fault is it if no software runs decently on your platform?
Not AMDs, that's for sure, they've taken their own beatings over software that simply didn't run well on it, and now they're back on top, and that's just how it is.
You know, there was more than one machine tested. The dual opteron with 128MB of ram and a standard hard drive absolutely trounced the dual G5, and the lowly Athlon 64 3200+ did a damn fine job besting the single G5 on many applications as well.
Also I'm sure the Slashdot community doesn't want to replace their buggy insecure crap with secure, bug-free crap that has no real use outside of video editing or playing Quake 3. If they wanted that, they'd be using Linux.:P
Perhaps the most fitting analogy would be, GPL'd software is like a house without locks. You can use it all you like, and you can let your freinds use it, but you're not allowed to put locks on the doors. Cisco/Linksys put locks on the doors, the FSF is telling them to take them off or get out, and this guy finds it unreasonable that the FSF would get mad that Cisco would break the simple, one page agreement.
They didn't say anything about that, nor did they imply it. The whole article was just one huge ignorant blast against the FSF defending the copyrights of GPL'd programs.
I recommend you take a reading comprehension course before telling people what the article is pointing out again.
So use BSD. Unless you think that because you can get Linux with the GPL, you should legally be able to distribue the Windows source code the same way, I fail to see where your arguement holds any relevance.
Interesting how when it's the RIAA or Microsoft defending their copyright, it's a company "defending itself from the evil pirates", but when it's the FSF defending the GPL, it's "poor, hapless companies, whose works are being stolen by the horrible GPL using communists"...
How about this? If you aren't prepared to follow the terms of distribution for a piece of software, regardless of whether it's GPL'd or EULA'd, don't use it. It may be a difficult thing for end-users who feel forced into Microsoft, but when you're the largest maker of routers in the world, I think you can spend the resources to find software with a compatible license before you start breaking license agreements and crying to forbes about it.
If telemarketers were to eat up cell time and start costing people money, I'm sure a class action suit could be brought against major telemarketing companies for damages. If Big Blue can be sued for vandalism for painting penguins on sidewalks, telemarketers can be sued for wasting our money selling us products we don't want.
If someone studies law or business or theology instead of science and engineering, does that make them less important? Does it mean their opinions don't count?
You know, if I, an electrical engineer from Ontario Canada, waltzed into a courtroom and started making grand decisions on a regular baisis, I could see your point. If I went into a hospital and started telling the doctors that they were doing things abusively badly so I sued them, I could see your point. On the other hand, I'd look just as stupid as these parents.
But this is a couple yokels suing over a medical and engineering problem which may or may not even exist. It's like suing someone because they might hurt you someday. WiFi hasn't been proven to be damaging, otherwise we'd all know the risks. Instead, this is a couple parents suing for monentary damages over an unsubstantiated worry that high frequency radio signals might be harmful.
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Which rights are those? Since the software isn't yours, really, you have no right to be adding to it if you don't believe in the license(Though you legally have them because the GPL is free in that regard), and you legally DON'T have the right to make money off of said software if you don't want to follow the terms.
I recommend you take some reading comprehension classes before telling me what's explicitly stated in articles the future.
All machines were tested with 1GB of RAM and the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card; the Mac version of the graphics card has a maximum of 128MB of RAM, while the high end for PCs is 256MB.
Then perhaps you should stop getting so emotionally involved in a subject you aren't connected to. The benchmarks are of a certain set of applications. This set of applications runs faster on the Athlon 64-bit architecture. All the whining and all the silly reasoning on the face of the planet won't change that. Yet all I've seen in this thread thus far are silly, irrational, emotional arguements that don't really have any reason to exist, other than to support a demographic who for once in their lives wants to believe their traditionally slow and expensive system isn't so slow and expensive. Sure, Lies, damned lies, statistics, and benchmarks, but from whom? I'd wager the Apple supporters in this thread, who are bickering over every trivial difference as if it will magically make the G5 faster than the Athlon for these applications. It won't. All the 32 bit Word benchmarks in the world won't change that.
As I said in another thread, if you nitpick enough, you can make a motorola 68k look faster than the G5. These are relatively real-world benchmarks. Differences happen.
True, but at this point, they're also changing parts. Things like MMX and SIMD are no doubt much closer to machine code than you'd think. Without any translation at all, I fear we'd end up with some Itanium-kin which would be impossible to code for by hand. :)
News to me. Guess my sources were flawed. Thanks for correcting me. :D
Are you going to do something other than pointlessly spew rhetoric, or do you like having nonsensical arguements?
Whether you like it or not, MS Office is a popular application. It's an application that many people use. Whether you like it or not, it's a major selling point of the OS. Now, unless you're going for a mere abstract view of how the processors perform, in which you wouldn't run a single application that wasn't a carefully balanced benchmark which timed loops of individual instructions and equasions which don't change from system to system, the applications that get used often are a useful benchmark of how fast a system is. If nobody wants to do a decent port, that's not the reviewers fault for choosing a bunch of programs which run on both platforms and assuming that it gave a decent indicator of performance of that application, but the people in this thread are screaming foul for every reason from "well it's not real 64-bit" to "the G5 is supposed to run 3-6x faster when the memory is upped to 2 gigs!".
And no, extra memory will not significantly alter performance, especially not on a three year old game like Quake 3. They simply didn't design the game to need that much texture memory. The difference between 128 and 256 megs of video memory is tiny at the best of times, as countless benchmarks have shown. The difference, as I recall, was less than the margin for error on the tests.
Are you so petty that you need to resort to swearing at me in some vain attempt to gain the upper hand? Are you so ignorant as to believe that insulting a faceless voice on slashdot will somehow make you seem like something other than a spoiled child who is angry that their favourite platform got what you see to be an unfair review?
You know, AMD and Linux fans never resorted to swearing when Intel and Windows were beathing them...
If you're a fan of well-designed systems, perhaps you should be more impressed by the Athlon series, which converts CISC instructions into RISC-ish instructions and runs those instructions through a RISC-ish core to attain inhuman speeds. That's an example of taking what you have, and building upon it, which is far more impressive than dropping the whole hardware platform and starting again from scratch. In fact, you might say it's the mark of a well-designed system that they're able to be extended in such ways.
Nothing on that site implies that there was anything other than 1 gigabyte of ram and a Radeon 9800 pro in any of the systems tested. As for "nobody uses premiere", I guess there's one, isn't there?
You know, if you nitpick enough, I'm sure you can get a motorola 68k to outpreforma G5. Of course, here in the real world, extra video memory makes absolutely no difference in any of those tests, and I see not one but TWO systems with standard hard drives. And Of course, we're supposed to be benchmarking only the best and brightest of mac applications, because nobody in their right mind would use industry standard video software! And Microsoft Word? Who would want to use that? I mean, sure it's a major selling point of macs, and sure it's probably one of the most massively used applications for macs, but....Well, we want Apple to win, no matter how abstract and useless the numbers are!
Yeah! hahaha, stupid Intel people better look out, because a dual G5 is faster than a single Athlon 64! 1 4r3 t3h 31337 r0xx0rz m4c u53rz!
You should be aware of your own biases before complaining about others'. Two on two, the mac got trounced, even in it's native territory. As for the rest of the benchmarks, how sad that often-used applications run like crap. I guess maybe the mac isn't the powerhouse of appley greatness once you get away from a slim reigion of three applications nobody uses, but run great. AMD had to deal with it when they were against the wall with the Athlon XP, and now Apple has to deal with it.
Whose fault is it if no software runs decently on your platform?
Not AMDs, that's for sure, they've taken their own beatings over software that simply didn't run well on it, and now they're back on top, and that's just how it is.
You know, there was more than one machine tested. The dual opteron with 128MB of ram and a standard hard drive absolutely trounced the dual G5, and the lowly Athlon 64 3200+ did a damn fine job besting the single G5 on many applications as well.
:P
Also I'm sure the Slashdot community doesn't want to replace their buggy insecure crap with secure, bug-free crap that has no real use outside of video editing or playing Quake 3. If they wanted that, they'd be using Linux.
OK, does that program for the motorola 68k still work? NO? THE BASTARDS!!!
Perhaps the most fitting analogy would be, GPL'd software is like a house without locks. You can use it all you like, and you can let your freinds use it, but you're not allowed to put locks on the doors. Cisco/Linksys put locks on the doors, the FSF is telling them to take them off or get out, and this guy finds it unreasonable that the FSF would get mad that Cisco would break the simple, one page agreement.
accept FSF gestapo tactics
I don't think you understand what gestapo tactics are. Wait...You're not a regular here, are you? SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!
They didn't say anything about that, nor did they imply it. The whole article was just one huge ignorant blast against the FSF defending the copyrights of GPL'd programs.
I recommend you take a reading comprehension course before telling people what the article is pointing out again.
So use BSD. Unless you think that because you can get Linux with the GPL, you should legally be able to distribue the Windows source code the same way, I fail to see where your arguement holds any relevance.
Interesting how when it's the RIAA or Microsoft defending their copyright, it's a company "defending itself from the evil pirates", but when it's the FSF defending the GPL, it's "poor, hapless companies, whose works are being stolen by the horrible GPL using communists"...
How about this? If you aren't prepared to follow the terms of distribution for a piece of software, regardless of whether it's GPL'd or EULA'd, don't use it. It may be a difficult thing for end-users who feel forced into Microsoft, but when you're the largest maker of routers in the world, I think you can spend the resources to find software with a compatible license before you start breaking license agreements and crying to forbes about it.
If telemarketers were to eat up cell time and start costing people money, I'm sure a class action suit could be brought against major telemarketing companies for damages. If Big Blue can be sued for vandalism for painting penguins on sidewalks, telemarketers can be sued for wasting our money selling us products we don't want.
Unthemed XP is the ugliest thing I've seen since FVWM95. Just run 2k instead. Save the heartache.
QUICKBASIC FOREVER!!!!!
The "Wo-hoo, the 'Sir Haxalot is a known troll' troll!" troll is a known troll!
the "Wo-hoo, the 'Sir Haxalot is a known troll' troll!" troll is a known troll!
If someone studies law or business or theology instead of science and engineering, does that make them less important? Does it mean their opinions don't count?
You know, if I, an electrical engineer from Ontario Canada, waltzed into a courtroom and started making grand decisions on a regular baisis, I could see your point. If I went into a hospital and started telling the doctors that they were doing things abusively badly so I sued them, I could see your point. On the other hand, I'd look just as stupid as these parents.
But this is a couple yokels suing over a medical and engineering problem which may or may not even exist. It's like suing someone because they might hurt you someday. WiFi hasn't been proven to be damaging, otherwise we'd all know the risks. Instead, this is a couple parents suing for monentary damages over an unsubstantiated worry that high frequency radio signals might be harmful.