The company is doing this purely for the publicity. Which Slashdot has now kindly provided!
If this story deserves to be here (and you can argue it either way) then it proves that impressive, but expensive, stunts are definitely worth the investment for any company such as Red Gate.
This is nothing like USB vs PS/2. USB had more advantages over PS/2 than Thunderbolt has over USB 3.0, and replaced more than just PS/2, it also replaced serial connections too.
The PC industry also started moving towards USB at the same time.
Who describes that as a hole in the firewall? Apart from you, no one. Because it isn't a useful way to describe it.
Using the commonly-accepted terminology, remote desktop apps that don't use a central server for viewer and server to connect out to require a hole in the firewall on the server-side of the network.
The 1541 is a hilarious bit of engineering. However I don't think it can be blamed for people moving away from 8-bit home computers even in part. I think it was down to the general march of technology that made newer machines more attractive.
I never suggested they required it, (as clearly they don't otherwise he would say so) and very obviously suggested he do so in order to get paid for turning up 3 minutes early to get 3 minutes more system time. So no crimes being advocated here. It is quite possible to get paid for work, not just presence, however, as a bonus system will attest.
You might want to ring someone quickly? The convenience of having a phone there to use fast outweighs the inconvenience of paying for the extra energy to recharge the battery. People pay for convenience of this sort all the time.
I like the escalation of tone - that's awesome. I've not had an "I'm more experienced than you" conversation for a while now, where you progressively sound more and more formal to make yourself sound more intelligent.
So in that vein, the news did not say that they were assuming Police powers themselves, the IT World story was very clear that it was not known what they were doing. Who knows, maybe I am wrong and the Police got in touch and they subsequently issued the tweet about helping them in light of the lawful passing of information? I guess we shall wait and find out. There is no basis for assuming (other than your own crazy-eyed paranoia) that RIM are going to just turn over a load of information, especially given (here's another obvious clue being missed) that they don't know *which* information to turn over until the Police ask for it.
Strangely The Register (a pretty unreliable news source at times, I'll admit) seems to suggest "anecdotal evidence" of Blackberry usage in helping coordinate rioting rather than saying "the Police said". That the Police may also say Blackberry devices are involved this may be down to the fact that it's an obvious conclusion to come to, especially if such "anecdotal evidence" is a useful sample of what is going on.
So, er, there. The point still stands that if you're more concerned about RIM handing over data than the riots (which now involve at least one death according to news reports) then your priorities are wrong.
Which particular issue are these people "protesting" about then? I don't mean the ones who sat outside the police station after the guy got shot on Thursday, I mean the ones who are burning cars, looting shops and smashing up buildings.
Er....you're completely blowing this out of proportion.
I know full well what the CRB is and the "soft information" (this is the phrase you are looking for, by the way) is indeed contentious but it does NOT stop you from getting a job! I don't CRB check people when they come to work for me. I just interview them and hire them based on what I think.
This is, therefore, not a blacklist, nor a "Do Not Hire" register.
Some places require CRB checks, such as schools etc. They, and only they, will be privy to the information revealed in the check. They are not allowed to share that information which is why you must get one done each time you move job to somewhere where they need a CRB check.
You are right, in my view, about the soft information. It's definitely something that can be abused.
RIM will most likely comply with whatever the Police ask because the Police will most likely go through the normal channels. They're quite used to getting data from people. Your assumption that they will not bother with official channels is baseless. Plus you forgot the obvious, that RIM are responding to media speculation about Blackberry devices helping orchestrate the looting, which makes them potentially appear in a bad light with some. They're bound to want to appear helpful.
So if you want my view on it, it is this: There are criminals out there committing assaults, arson, robbery and vandalism - these are serious crimes. People are getting hurt (I include police officers in this - they're people too) and RIM don't want negative publicity as a result of this.
If it genuinely concerns you more that the police have requested, in an unknown manner, data from RIM regarding intelligence about the rioting, rather than riots themselves then you've got your priorities all skewed.
Where is the black list that stops people from employing you? This must be one hell of a list because the police would have to go to every single employer in the country and make them follow it. Which they don't.
Have you even seen what is happening there? Please show me the sane man who thinks this this "protest" legitimately involves smashing things up and burning people's houses, shops and cars? Maybe if this "one man's riot is another man's protest" holds true then I can go and shoot some people in the face and steal their wallets, in a protest against the industrial-military complex continuing to subvert the honesty of government and making vast profits from the death and misery of others? I mean it's a nice thing to protest against and you with this meaningless platitude you have to respect my form of protest, right...?
Yep. You need to say "Oops I made an error in replying as I did. In fact that was a very good riposte to a vague, meandering post which made some trite points about data protection in the context of the UK becoming a virtual police state." There are an awful lot of terrified people living in London right now, and RIM are doing the right thing. The rioters are infringing on other people's rights and libertarians really ought to be siding with the law on this one. Or maybe they would like ot be out on the streets asking the rioters what their problem with society is? They'll probably end up with a bottle in the face.
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The company is doing this purely for the publicity. Which Slashdot has now kindly provided!
If this story deserves to be here (and you can argue it either way) then it proves that impressive, but expensive, stunts are definitely worth the investment for any company such as Red Gate.
Someone from my company went for an interview with Red Gate to get a free iPad. He got it, and felt very happy. He still works with us.
This is nothing like USB vs PS/2. USB had more advantages over PS/2 than Thunderbolt has over USB 3.0, and replaced more than just PS/2, it also replaced serial connections too.
The PC industry also started moving towards USB at the same time.
Who describes that as a hole in the firewall? Apart from you, no one. Because it isn't a useful way to describe it.
Using the commonly-accepted terminology, remote desktop apps that don't use a central server for viewer and server to connect out to require a hole in the firewall on the server-side of the network.
The 1541 is a hilarious bit of engineering. However I don't think it can be blamed for people moving away from 8-bit home computers even in part. I think it was down to the general march of technology that made newer machines more attractive.
You need to close the window. :)
Fair point.
Maybe some people wanted to see the aviation equivalent of the Ryder Cup? :)
You are saying the business model of pets.com and Groupon are the same?
I'd love to smell the stink of some idiot's smoke while sitting trapped on an aircraft....oh no hang on no I wouldn't. Whoops.
Because some people get snotty about a European aircraft vs an American aircraft. Stupid isn't it?
Groupon is going to find itself in serious trouble soon due to an unsustainable business model and will be folding within the next 12-18 months?
I never suggested they required it, (as clearly they don't otherwise he would say so) and very obviously suggested he do so in order to get paid for turning up 3 minutes early to get 3 minutes more system time. So no crimes being advocated here.
It is quite possible to get paid for work, not just presence, however, as a bonus system will attest.
Why would it be a crime? They would get 3 minutes more of his time and he would be paid accordingly.
You might want to ring someone quickly? The convenience of having a phone there to use fast outweighs the inconvenience of paying for the extra energy to recharge the battery. People pay for convenience of this sort all the time.
Turn up for work 3 minutes earlier. Problem solved. :)
No, it's 13 now. Do keep up!
Agreed. As a Flask user, I reckon they missed a trick.
I like the escalation of tone - that's awesome. I've not had an "I'm more experienced than you" conversation for a while now, where you progressively sound more and more formal to make yourself sound more intelligent.
So in that vein, the news did not say that they were assuming Police powers themselves, the IT World story was very clear that it was not known what they were doing. Who knows, maybe I am wrong and the Police got in touch and they subsequently issued the tweet about helping them in light of the lawful passing of information? I guess we shall wait and find out. There is no basis for assuming (other than your own crazy-eyed paranoia) that RIM are going to just turn over a load of information, especially given (here's another obvious clue being missed) that they don't know *which* information to turn over until the Police ask for it.
Strangely The Register (a pretty unreliable news source at times, I'll admit) seems to suggest "anecdotal evidence" of Blackberry usage in helping coordinate rioting rather than saying "the Police said". That the Police may also say Blackberry devices are involved this may be down to the fact that it's an obvious conclusion to come to, especially if such "anecdotal evidence" is a useful sample of what is going on.
So, er, there. The point still stands that if you're more concerned about RIM handing over data than the riots (which now involve at least one death according to news reports) then your priorities are wrong.
Which particular issue are these people "protesting" about then? I don't mean the ones who sat outside the police station after the guy got shot on Thursday, I mean the ones who are burning cars, looting shops and smashing up buildings.
Er....you're completely blowing this out of proportion.
I know full well what the CRB is and the "soft information" (this is the phrase you are looking for, by the way) is indeed contentious but it does NOT stop you from getting a job!
I don't CRB check people when they come to work for me. I just interview them and hire them based on what I think.
This is, therefore, not a blacklist, nor a "Do Not Hire" register.
Some places require CRB checks, such as schools etc. They, and only they, will be privy to the information revealed in the check. They are not allowed to share that information which is why you must get one done each time you move job to somewhere where they need a CRB check.
You are right, in my view, about the soft information. It's definitely something that can be abused.
RIM will most likely comply with whatever the Police ask because the Police will most likely go through the normal channels. They're quite used to getting data from people. Your assumption that they will not bother with official channels is baseless. Plus you forgot the obvious, that RIM are responding to media speculation about Blackberry devices helping orchestrate the looting, which makes them potentially appear in a bad light with some. They're bound to want to appear helpful.
So if you want my view on it, it is this:
There are criminals out there committing assaults, arson, robbery and vandalism - these are serious crimes. People are getting hurt (I include police officers in this - they're people too) and RIM don't want negative publicity as a result of this.
If it genuinely concerns you more that the police have requested, in an unknown manner, data from RIM regarding intelligence about the rioting, rather than riots themselves then you've got your priorities all skewed.
Where is the black list that stops people from employing you? This must be one hell of a list because the police would have to go to every single employer in the country and make them follow it. Which they don't.
Have you even seen what is happening there? Please show me the sane man who thinks this this "protest" legitimately involves smashing things up and burning people's houses, shops and cars?
Maybe if this "one man's riot is another man's protest" holds true then I can go and shoot some people in the face and steal their wallets, in a protest against the industrial-military complex continuing to subvert the honesty of government and making vast profits from the death and misery of others? I mean it's a nice thing to protest against and you with this meaningless platitude you have to respect my form of protest, right...?
Yep. You need to say "Oops I made an error in replying as I did. In fact that was a very good riposte to a vague, meandering post which made some trite points about data protection in the context of the UK becoming a virtual police state."
There are an awful lot of terrified people living in London right now, and RIM are doing the right thing. The rioters are infringing on other people's rights and libertarians really ought to be siding with the law on this one. Or maybe they would like ot be out on the streets asking the rioters what their problem with society is? They'll probably end up with a bottle in the face.