If you just had cows, they would simply shift the balance towards a higher temperature, more or less in proportion. Since there are counterbalancing forces (more CO2+slightly higher temps = more photosynthesis), and also because methane ends up reacting with oxygen, the system would be stable, just shifted upwards.
But here the system feeds on itself, and higher temperatures cause more methane, not as a function of an external parameter (number of cows) but as function of itself. And that's not *stable*, at least on a short time scale (and on a long time scale we're all dead). And that's where your point:
Exactly my point. If these strong positive feedback loops existed, then they would have already occured in the course of human history.
... is completely irrelevant, because as I said earlier, and except for K-T event sort of things, things happen over much larger time scales, where the thawing and release of said gases was slow and negligible compared to other factors. Here the positive feedback is not negligible, +2C average means that there is a huge (100s of km) band of terrain that used to remain frozen (perma-frost) all the time, and now they don't.
There was as much of a "wine industry" as there was "information technology" (monks copying manuscripts by hand) or an "entertainment industry" (minstrels going from town to town).
Well I suppose if you stretch the meaning of words to ridiculous levels, you have a point. On the other hand, you don't.
At the global, average level, this is not "very small."
And there's positive feedback loops. Say methane captured in permafrost. Thaw a bit of it, get absolutely FREE additional degrees that will in turn thaw some more, and you're quickly talking +5K.
Additionally what we are seeing now is pests that couldn't withstand freezing in winter moving up north, destroying plants that had never evolved to resist them. This is just an example.
So when an organization makes a statement, and a large number (over 100) of members of that organization disagree with the statement and request that it be revised, you suggest that we should believe the official statement and disregard the protests of the actual members?
I don't suggest this. I'm not expressing an opinion about the content and support of that petition; I'm stating a fact: you lied by presenting the opposite of what the APS supports as if it was the APS.
It is also a fact that the earth is getting colder right now (since 1999).
Only a proctologist could come up with such "facts." You know, someone whose job consists in examining diseased rectums. I'm more interested in what climatologists have to say about it.
We know wtf happened. It's all over the fossil record. Sea levels rose, species died out, new ones emerged.
The problem here is that it's going to be very fast. Instead of changing over hundreds of millenias (which is very rapid indeed by geological standards), this is going to change in a matter of decades. So species will die out.
And then in a million years' time, new ones will have adapted. In the mean time, well, the place's going to be slightly uncomfortable, for large values of "slightly," and that, mainly because of rich white christian asswipes.
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earthâ(TM)s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earthâ(TM)s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms.The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.
Exactly. There is still very little _EVIDENCE_ of mankind-created global warming.
Yeah, just like there's little evidence than Obama's not born in Kenya, or that 9/11 was not an inside job, right?
The IPCC still refuses to provide either the data from which they created their apocalyptic graphs from, or the models they used to do the predictions.
Yeah, Obama STILL refuses to show his birth certificate!
It's a problem that involves international policy and science. Hence, you have governments sending their scientific experts to talk about it. Policy is done by governments, and science is done by scientists. That's what it's got to do. And note that academies of science all around the world support the IPCC's finding. Do you think they know a bit or two about science? Or do you trust Faux News to get your "facts" instead? Your denialism is about as misguided as that of truthers, birthers or moon landing denialists, with the difference than none of those risk killing millions by being stupid. They're just being stupid. You Heritage Foundation and AEI shills are criminally stupid. Or just criminally insane.
That's good. Because this is science, and science is not about what you fucking believe. For the latter, consult your local priest / shaman / witch / Fox news shithead.
At the turn of the XIXth century, industrialists had the same kind of argument against child labor laws, or the 6 days work week. I'm sure they probably had the same kind of outrage when the fuckers got told they could not rape their serfs anymore. "But how am I supposed to discipline the help if I can't molest their children?"
And every time, they made shit up on how it was good for society for them to continue on abusing and exploiting. And every time, useful idiots (also known today as "libertarians" or "republicans") came to their help against the evil heretics / socialists / commies.
But today, your despicable kind is up against _science_. And you know what? Science: it works, bitches.
It's mostly (at first) going to be harmful to paupers in Bangladesh or Tuvalu. Who gives a fuck about them? Certainly not the Scrooges at the Chamber of Commerce. After all, they can always retreat to their estate in Vale or something.
Guess what, we like brussels better than Sarkozy's cadre of right wing ass lickers. The EU is blocking the 3 strike BS, for one. But I guess you're pleased with the NuLabour / Tories policies? CCTV for all and all that 1984 crap? Guess what, without the EU, you'd be 10x worse of in that respect.
I thought that "independence" was a French word, but clearly it must have drifted quite a lot in meaning since king William. From New Labour to the Tories and the fucktards at UKIP, it seemed quite compatible with bending over backward to please GWB and begging for more. Now when Brussels asks you to follow simple rules you agreed to and 24 other countries have no problem adhering to, that's an outrage. What a joke.
Oh dear, they are *forced*, obliged, compelled, strong-armed into having to notify the EC! What a loss of sovereignty! Whereas before that they could pass laws, and that was the end of it; now they have to pass laws *and* notify the EC, and that's the end of it. That's outrage-fucking-ous!
I believe there is an error in the translation; the ideogram for "piracy" is very close to the one for "massive pile of stinking shit", and therefore, the headline should actually read: "China jails four for still Using IE6"
He was of the opinion that there were viruses on Linux. I looked up what he referred to, but those were basically press releases from proprietary AV vendors, and covered the usual POCs never seen in the wild. In one case one vendor claims that 80% of a certain type of Linux apps are infected with a Linux virus.
That certain type is "rootkit." Yeah, 80% of rootkits are infected with viruses. Scary shit indeed.
So we could have argued and wasted a few hours of his and ours' time.
But apparently that would have counted as a compensatory measure (is that the term?) anyway and we need to have as few as possible.
In the end installing a token AV and have it scan/tmp and/home nightly was easier.
We cover malware with an IDS and Ossec; but that does not check the box "antivirus." And we don't have a single Windows box on our network (we have two completely isolated networks, everyone has two workstations, data is exchanged through USB keys). But the auditor required the antivirus. So we installed one. In my opinion this is completely retarded and reduces security, as AVs have been known to have vulnerabilities, too.
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If you just had cows, they would simply shift the balance towards a higher temperature, more or less in proportion. Since there are counterbalancing forces (more CO2+slightly higher temps = more photosynthesis), and also because methane ends up reacting with oxygen, the system would be stable, just shifted upwards.
But here the system feeds on itself, and higher temperatures cause more methane, not as a function of an external parameter (number of cows) but as function of itself. And that's not *stable*, at least on a short time scale (and on a long time scale we're all dead). And that's where your point:
There was as much of a "wine industry" as there was "information technology" (monks copying manuscripts by hand) or an "entertainment industry" (minstrels going from town to town).
Well I suppose if you stretch the meaning of words to ridiculous levels, you have a point. On the other hand, you don't.
The rich white asswipes couldn't be where they are without the help. And I mean, "the help."
At the global, average level, this is not "very small."
And there's positive feedback loops. Say methane captured in permafrost. Thaw a bit of it, get absolutely FREE additional degrees that will in turn thaw some more, and you're quickly talking +5K.
Additionally what we are seeing now is pests that couldn't withstand freezing in winter moving up north, destroying plants that had never evolved to resist them. This is just an example.
Can't reproduce supernovas. Astronomy is bullshit.
Can't reproduce dinosaurs. Evolution is bullshit.
Can't talk to Caesar. History is pointless.
I don't suggest this. I'm not expressing an opinion about the content and support of that petition; I'm stating a fact: you lied by presenting the opposite of what the APS supports as if it was the APS.
Only a proctologist could come up with such "facts." You know, someone whose job consists in examining diseased rectums. I'm more interested in what climatologists have to say about it.
We know wtf happened. It's all over the fossil record. Sea levels rose, species died out, new ones emerged.
The problem here is that it's going to be very fast. Instead of changing over hundreds of millenias (which is very rapid indeed by geological standards), this is going to change in a matter of decades. So species will die out.
And then in a million years' time, new ones will have adapted. In the mean time, well, the place's going to be slightly uncomfortable, for large values of "slightly," and that, mainly because of rich white christian asswipes.
And the APS supports the IPCC. The OP is just lying, misrepresenting the opinion of one guy as that of the APS, which is actually the opposite.
This is just ONE guy who claims (rightly or not) to be a member of APS to change its official policy. And what is its official policy?
Why don't you go to the APS itself?
Oh yeah that was so informative, pastafazou!
Fucking denialist liars.
Exactly. There is still very little _EVIDENCE_ of mankind-created global warming.
Yeah, just like there's little evidence than Obama's not born in Kenya, or that 9/11 was not an inside job, right?
The IPCC still refuses to provide either the data from which they created their apocalyptic graphs from, or the models they used to do the predictions.
Yeah, Obama STILL refuses to show his birth certificate!
It's a problem that involves international policy and science. Hence, you have governments sending their scientific experts to talk about it. Policy is done by governments, and science is done by scientists. That's what it's got to do.
And note that academies of science all around the world support the IPCC's finding. Do you think they know a bit or two about science? Or do you trust Faux News to get your "facts" instead?
Your denialism is about as misguided as that of truthers, birthers or moon landing denialists, with the difference than none of those risk killing millions by being stupid. They're just being stupid. You Heritage Foundation and AEI shills are criminally stupid. Or just criminally insane.
That's good. Because this is science, and science is not about what you fucking believe. For the latter, consult your local priest / shaman / witch / Fox news shithead.
At the turn of the XIXth century, industrialists had the same kind of argument against child labor laws, or the 6 days work week. I'm sure they probably had the same kind of outrage when the fuckers got told they could not rape their serfs anymore. "But how am I supposed to discipline the help if I can't molest their children?"
And every time, they made shit up on how it was good for society for them to continue on abusing and exploiting. And every time, useful idiots (also known today as "libertarians" or "republicans") came to their help against the evil heretics / socialists / commies.
But today, your despicable kind is up against _science_. And you know what? Science: it works, bitches.
It's mostly (at first) going to be harmful to paupers in Bangladesh or Tuvalu. Who gives a fuck about them? Certainly not the Scrooges at the Chamber of Commerce. After all, they can always retreat to their estate in Vale or something.
What a joke.
Guess what, we like brussels better than Sarkozy's cadre of right wing ass lickers. The EU is blocking the 3 strike BS, for one.
But I guess you're pleased with the NuLabour / Tories policies? CCTV for all and all that 1984 crap? Guess what, without the EU, you'd be 10x worse of in that respect.
I thought that "independence" was a French word, but clearly it must have drifted quite a lot in meaning since king William. From New Labour to the Tories and the fucktards at UKIP, it seemed quite compatible with bending over backward to please GWB and begging for more. Now when Brussels asks you to follow simple rules you agreed to and 24 other countries have no problem adhering to, that's an outrage.
What a joke.
... are every member's business. And if you don't like it, just get the fuck out.
it's not like the straightness of cucumbers or whether carrots are a fruit which obviously everyone in the world needs to know.
Yet you felt it important that the whole world knew that you swallowed the Daily Fail bullshit hook, line, and sinker.
Oh dear, they are *forced*, obliged, compelled, strong-armed into having to notify the EC! What a loss of sovereignty! Whereas before that they could pass laws, and that was the end of it; now they have to pass laws *and* notify the EC, and that's the end of it. That's outrage-fucking-ous!
I'm speechless.
I believe there is an error in the translation; the ideogram for "piracy" is very close to the one for "massive pile of stinking shit", and therefore, the headline should actually read: "China jails four for still Using IE6"
Care to elaborate on that?
He was of the opinion that there were viruses on Linux. I looked up what he referred to, but those were basically press releases from proprietary AV vendors, and covered the usual POCs never seen in the wild. In one case one vendor claims that 80% of a certain type of Linux apps are infected with a Linux virus.
That certain type is "rootkit." Yeah, 80% of rootkits are infected with viruses. Scary shit indeed.
So we could have argued and wasted a few hours of his and ours' time.
But apparently that would have counted as a compensatory measure (is that the term?) anyway and we need to have as few as possible.
In the end installing a token AV and have it scan /tmp and /home nightly was easier.
The person in charge of the scan just need to ACK the false positives as such.
We cover malware with an IDS and Ossec; but that does not check the box "antivirus."
And we don't have a single Windows box on our network (we have two completely isolated networks, everyone has two workstations, data is exchanged through USB keys).
But the auditor required the antivirus. So we installed one. In my opinion this is completely retarded and reduces security, as AVs have been known to have vulnerabilities, too.