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  1. Re:Isn't it amazing? on Abandonware And Copyright Laws · · Score: 1

    While it's amazing how many of these "It's the Law" posts are flat out wrong, it shouldn't suprise anyone. Many of them are posted by people paid to put out disinformation. In fact, the entire article is an example of disinformation.

  2. Re:Purpose is to encourage DISCLOSURE, not creatio on Abandonware And Copyright Laws · · Score: 1
    That's COMPLETELY wrong. The only purpose of Copyright is for the encouragement of the creation of creative works. This is EXACTLY the one and only reason expressed in the Constitution for the creation of the seperate Power of Congress to optionally give a Copyright if it so choose to.

    If you create something and then intentionally remove it from the market to bring out something else, which will be forced on users, this is the very definition of Copyright Abuse!! It's immoral, and it's NOT legally defendable.

    It's exactly want the Founding Fathers tried to prevent in regards to making sure Copyright was NOT an unlimited property right. And this is the most important point...obtaining a Copyright on a work of art does not create property!! See Fair Use for a further education.

  3. Re:Purpose of Copyright on Abandonware And Copyright Laws · · Score: 1

    That would be correct - NO Just because they have a copyright, once it is put into distribution, it is NOT their right to control the material any longer. Intentionally removing it from the market and then preventing the distribution is an obstruction of constitutionally guaranteed fair use. The IS an abandoment concept to copyright.

  4. The article is bogus on Abandonware And Copyright Laws · · Score: 1

    Oh Please...That was the worse discussion on Copyright I've ever seen. What was the purpose of the Chart on Piracy Loses - which in of itself is Bogus. Copyright does not create property - it's a limited license.

  5. Re:I read every line of that trial, my prediction. on NYT On DeCSS Case · · Score: 1

    I agree with you whole heartedly and posted nearly the same message last time.

    It is not enough to get a victory under freedom of the press (or even code as speech). The ruling that Free Software, and for that matter the American Public, needs is for the Judge to rule that the provisions of the DMCA can not overrule the right of reverse engineering or fair use because these are constitutional guarantees...every bit as important as a Free Press. He needs to set the DMCA right, and to interpret this vague law under it's correct interpetation. Kaplan is essentially reading this law wrong! Fair USe is protect4ed under the DMCA and if it wasn't, it would be unconstitutional in it's whole.

  6. Re:Access control circumvention on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 1

    Oh - That's rich, but I thought it was true.

    The record companies actually PAY the Radio stations to play their records. In addition, did you read the section where she says that under current law, Musicians never have copyright of the material they create!! So the whole argument that the Copyright law protects the Artists is, as we actually knew, just untrue when the facts of current business law is examined.

    Ruben

  7. Re:Access control circumvention on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 1
    Is this the Paragraph?

    ----------------------------------------

    I also think Metallica is being given too much grief. It's anti-artist, for one thing. An artist speaks up and the artist gets squashed: Sharecropping. Don't get above your station, kid. It's not piracy when kids swap music over the Internet using Napster or Gnutella or Freenet or iMesh or beaming their CDs into a My.MP3.com or MyPlay.com music locker. It's piracy when those guys that run those companies make side deals with the cartel lawyers and label heads so that they can be "the labels' friend," and not the artists'.

    Recording artists have essentially been giving their music away for free under the old system, so new technology that exposes our music to a larger audience can only be a good thing. Why aren't these companies working with us to create some peace? There were a billion music downloads last year, but music sales are up. Where's the evidence that downloads hurt business? Downloads are creating more demand.

    Why aren't record companies embracing this great opportunity? Why aren't they trying to talk to the kids passing compilations around to learn what they like? Why is the RIAA suing the companies that are stimulating this new demand? What's the point of going after people swapping cruddy-sounding MP3s? Cash! Cash they have no intention of passing onto us, the writers of their profits.

  8. Re:What is the DMCA for? on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 1
    Ethanol:

    You also bring up a good point. One of the MAJOR troubles of the DMCA is that everyone who was involved in voting for it got a piece of legal code added. There were all kinds of expectations of how it would work, and various Congressional leaders who pushed for the Bill and altered it in the concilation Commitee which dovetailed the Houses version with the Senates version, and the individual comitees in the house and senate, all had different ideas about what certain clauses would do to protect and enhance Copyright and Fair Use.

    The DMCA is one of the poorest written peices of legistlation ever to come out of Western Civilization, in addition to it being largely unconstitutional.

    It would not have been passed if key members of Congress who voted for it had the ability to see the assualt on Fair Use that it created.

    New Yorkers for Fair Use

  9. Re:Access control circumvention on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 1

    No - that's not like broadcasting on a Radio. Radio Stations are businesses which exploit the work for profit. Sharing is allowed for free with no comercial benifit. Ruben

  10. Re:Access control circumvention on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 1

    Why can't I make them publically available as long as I don't sell them.

    Ruben

  11. Re:You're missing more sinister points of the DMCA on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 2
    Billy

    You make some great points, but a few things to be looked at.



    First, I think that the Constitutional provissions of Freedom of the Press and Freedom of speech can not be superceded by any act of Congress, including the DMCA. This is why I beleive Kaplan is looking at the Freedom of Speech issue and wondering if the Horse is out of the Barn.



    If Corly (Pronounced Goldstien :) ) initially was the source of the DeCSS, Kaplan might be inclined to Judge that the Press is not acting like a reporting agency, but simply trafficing in the DeCSS Software. But since it was alreay released...They're just reporting the News.


    Ultimately, while the DMCA tries to define Reverse Engineering, and Fair Use, it's not really the last word on these issues since they are Constitutional Doctrin. But even still, the DMCA, which can be seen in it entirety in the link provided, gives us the following contradictory passages!!!


    ------------------------------
    (f ) REVERSE ENGINEERING.-(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained
    the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent
    a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particu-
    lar portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying
    and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary
    to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer
    program with other programs, and that have not previously been



    H. R. 2281-8


    readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to
    the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not
    constitute infringement under this title.
    ``(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and
    (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to cir-
    cumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection
    afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identi-
    fication and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of
    enabling interoperability of an independently created computer pro-
    gram with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve
    such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute
    infringement under this title.

    ``(3) The information acquired through the acts permitted under
    paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may
    be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph
    (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means
    solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independ-
    ently created computer program with other programs, and to the
    extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this
    title or violate applicable law other than this section.

    ``(4) For purposes of this subsection, the term `interoperability'
    means the ability of computer programs to exchange information,
    and of such programs mutually to use the information which has
    been exchanged.

    _______________________________

    Congress added this because it would not withstand a Court Case otherwise. Likely the issue of Fair Use. Without Fair Use provissions, the DMCA would be struck down as Consonstitutional in the Cradle. Part of what these Law Suites are about is the MPAA trying to redefine Fair Use in the eye of the public. Where Fair use was the right to make archival Copies, they are say - no - it isn't.

    But the DMCA is clear even in it's text that is can not over rule FAIR USE......

    ______________________________________________
    (c) OTHER RIGHTS, ETC., NOT AFFECTED.-(1) Nothing in this
    section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to
    copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.
    ______________________________________________

    The mechanism of Copyright Office review is some quack idea to try to save this insane act from Court Review death. If the DMCA is an impedence to Fair Use, it should become a dead letter. Therefor the REAL battle is over the definition of Fair Use. That is the issue this case, if decided upon Freedom of Speech/the Press, threatens to circumvent, at least for another day.

  12. What is this case about!? on MPAA v. 2600 NY Trial Has Ended · · Score: 4
    One of the problems that those of us watching this case have had in our
    analysis and understanding is that we are so
    passionate about the issue of being able to create free software
    to play DVD's, and the threat of the DMCA to the continued development
    of free software, that we are overlooking the specifics of this
    particular case.


    In the case against Corey, we have a situation where the prosecution
    is saying that Corey is trafficking in an illegal software program
    that violates the DMCA. The defense, on the other hand, has been
    arguing that Corey is a JOURNALIST!!! and that the links to the
    DeCSS program is a protection of the 1st Amendment, protected
    Free Speech and an issue of Freedom of the Press.


    In this light, actually, the issue of the DMCA is actually a side
    show altogether. The real issue is can the court suppress the
    Press from reporting the location and contents of DeCSS,
    regardless of any violation of the DMCA.


    In consideration of THIS question, Kaplan is asking if the Horse is
    out of the Barn, Is DeCSS publicly available knowledge which is
    newsworthy and therefor afforded protection. This is indeed a
    fair point of view in regards to this specific case. Does it
    really matter if 2600.com publishes the link, as opposed to
    the NY Times?

    Probably not.



    However, such a ruling does not answer the fundamental question
    of the legality of the DMCA or it's use as a legal means to
    repress reverse engineering or forms of freedom of speech more
    specific the "Fair Use" doctrine.



    On the other hand, if Kaplan rules that DeCSS is a form of
    speech protected under the 1st amendment, regardless of it
    being an instruction kit to descramble the CSS algorthim or
    not, then the issue of the Horse being out of the Barn is
    irrelevant. Free Speech is assumed to be permitted, horse, barn
    or entire farm notwithstanding!



    In any event, a ruling in favor of Corey under this logic may not
    be what's in the best interest of Free Software, or for that matter,
    the public's welfare. Ideally, Kaplan would examine the facts and rule
    that the property rights of the writers of the DeCSS permits them to
    reverse engineer the CSS encryption scheme, and their rights to
    freedom of speech permits them to distribute the code
    as they see fit. He would rule this is permissible under the DMCA
    and in line with previous Constitutional Ruling of the Supreme Court,
    or he would rule that the DMCA is unconstitutional because it's
    enforcement would violate the civil rights guaranteed every citizen
    to their property and their freedom of speech. Then he would
    rule that because the software was legally developed for a legal
    purpose, that the MPAA's arguments for a permanent injunction
    has no basis in the law, DMCA notwithstanding.


    Baring a ruling similar to this, the MPAA might loose this battle, and
    not appeal, thereby sidestepping the major issues which argue that the
    DMCA is either unenforcible as the MPAA wishes it to be,
    or unconstitutional. And in the long run, that would be very bad
    for the public and Free Software.


    Bet the Farm on it!!


    New Yorkers for Fair Use

  13. Re:They'll lose because there is no choice on Civil Disobedience and DeCSS · · Score: 1
    Many people are tired of many things. I'm mostly tired of Law Students and Corrupt Lawyers which represent the MPAA of making false statements under oath like Barry Sorkin did at the Copyright Office Hearing in Washington DC. I'm also tired of the MPAA as an association running against the Law, ending up in anti-trust suits and loosing and misrepresenting the purchase of a copy of a media as buying a Movie Ticket.

    I'm also tired of Judges who refuse to do their jobs, like Judge Kaplan, and profess to have knowledge that they don't. Kaplan's behavior on the Bench seems to merit his impeachment.

    I'm also tired of Judges and Lawyers who can't count past the Number 2 and trolls which represent the MPAA.

    ---And I am tired of people who are not lawyers not understanding laws, especially one as simple and direct as this one. I've posted this before but obviously it didn't penetrate into some people's skulls so I'll tear it down # by #.--

    --- 1) Your first sentence is correct - your second sentence is what YOU think it should be. But it's not and go whine to congress. Currently it's illegal to circumvent CSS no matter what you believe or want to think it should be. DeCSS circumvents CSS - that's exactly what the authors of the program say it does, that's what the defense stipulated to in court that it does, that is what every single expert on the stand has said it does. Please don't continue to pretend to be ignorant to it's true function. --

    Actually, nearly every Lawyer I have spoken too disagrees with your assessment.

    To quote The Village Voice

    "If the judge finds for the plaintiff, and the decision isn't knocked down on appeal," says Yochai Benkler, a professor of information law at New York University, "it will create an environment that's closed like nothing we've ever seen before."

    Since I work for NYU, I called Benkler. I asked him about Kaplan's decision that even if the DeCSS was created for reverse engineering purposes, even then the DMCA would not permit the posting of a LINK to the DeCSS code. It seems completely incompatible with the plain meaning of the reverse engineering clause in section 1201 of the DMCA and the Fair Use clause. It is his opinion that Judge Kaplan is making a major stretch in claiming that while the DMCA is so poorly written that it directly stands in conflict of itself, that reverse engineering is OK for an individual user, but that dissemination of the Code would be a violation. It is also his opinion that the DMCA will not stand a review by the Supreme Court if Judge Kaplan's ruling is a correct interpretation of the act.

    --- 2) Reverse engineering has some very narrow criteria. And perhaps DeCSS meet these. Do you suggest that every single person using DeCSS uses it for the educational value reverse engineering provides. AND you conveniently forget that even reverse engineering still does not allow you to simple ignore existing copyright protections.---

    Reverse engineering has nothing to do with education. Educational copying of copyrighted material is a Fair Use as determined by the Supreme Court and legislated into the copyright code under section 107 of the Copyright Law. Reverse Engineering, by definition, is a protected right which anyone can partake of without permission of the designer of the original device. This is obvious and is considered Prima Faca evidence. Compact did not have IBM's permission to reverse engineer the PC.

    --The copyright holder still maintains control over access to his material and no matter HOW you got to the material (unencrypted movie file) the copyright owner STILL owns it and can dictate (like it or not) how and by whom it's accessed. This is not a valid exception and case law supports this. --

    Legally speaking - this whole statement is just wrong. First of all, Copyright holders NEVER have the right to maintain control over access to works no matter HOW they distribute the material. The only thing a Copyright holder owns is a license to a limited commercial monopoly of a work. They can not prevent anyone who obtains a copy to limit when they view it, how they view, and with whom they view it with, who they sell their copy to, or how they view it. I think you just made this up.

    -- 3) Too bad copying entire movies is not even remotely "fair use" --

    Actually - making a copy of a work for personal use, educational purposes, archival purposes, and even to give away for FREE is exactly what Fair Use doctrine is as developed as the Supreme Courts response to abuses of Copyright which inhibited Constitutionally guaranteed civil rights to Property and Freedom of Speech. It was later legislated directly into the Copyright Statute which can be read at New Yorkers for Fair Use.

    --too bad that no one is using DeCSS to critique a small sample of a movie. Too bad that there is no need to use DeCSS to perform "fair use" and that it could be performed by other means and so fair use is not an excuse for circumvention. AND, even if fair use was the honest intention - that still does not override the prohibition on circumvention. You must learn how to read law.--

    What's too bad is that you fail to understand what your reading in the Law. A purchaser of a Disk does not enter into any contract with the Copyright Owner, or licensing agreement. They can do anything with the disk that is guaranteed under the Constitution as part of their civil rights to ownership of property. This right of property is a guarantee of the Constitution. Copyright does not extinguish an individuals right to his property. He can therefor do what ever he wishes to the disk aside from commercially exploiting it, which is reserved for the Copyright Owner. The Copyright Owner of the material has a limited license from the Government. The Disk owner is the property owner and is not limited by any licenses.

    --4) While DeCSS, the source code of that program, is protected as free speech. There is NOTHING in free speech which gives license to violate copyrights.--

    This is not the question in front of the court. The question in front of the court is if there is ANYTHING in Copyright which can limit Free Speech. If the Code is Free Speech, it is protected under the Constitution. Copyright can not prevent Free Speech, and that is part of the definition of The Fair Use Doctrine.

    -- Again, precidence and the preponderence of case law demonstrates this. Do some research instead of regurgitating EFF BS--

    Again - I think you made this up..

    --- 5) You sound like an MS hater. This case has nothing to do with antitrust or misuse of copyright and you'll find that neither of those lame defenses was even attempted, even by this lame defense team. ---

    Right.... and you are what??? A Troll?

    --Copyright owners are free to decide how their IP is distributed and by whom and how it's viewed. Get a grip - stop pulling terms that don't apply outta yer butt! ---

    Actually - they are NOT, which is why the DMCA is likely to be struck down by the Supreme Court.

  14. Re:They'll lose because there is no choice on Civil Disobedience and DeCSS · · Score: 1

    Test

  15. Re:A constitutional amendment would be even better on Civil Disobedience and DeCSS · · Score: 1
    The problem with passing a constitutional amedment is that it's ALREADY passed. The "Fair Use Doctrine" is a combination of the Free Speech rights and Property Rights. "Fair Use" wasn't created by section 107 of the copyright code. Section 107 was put into the Copyright Code to ensure the constitutionality of the Copyright Law.

    Put it this way....even with non copyrighted material, you have a the right to fair use of your property and freedom of speech. The government can limit your property to a certain degree, but it needs constitutionally sound reasons to do so. Fair Use is your civil rights. Anytime copyright conflicts with Fair Use, Copyright looses - and there is a slew of Court Cases upholding this.

    Copyright is by definition limited. Property rights is by definition unlimited. The government must justify limiting your property rights, or your freedom of speech.

    As such, the DMCA was passed by Congress, not under the authority of the Copyright clasue of the constitution, but under the COMMERCE claus. In the end, I'm fairly certain that it will be struck down in the Supreme Court because Congress doesn't have the power in the Constitution to use either the Copyright Clause OR the Commerce Claus to limit the Constitutional Guarantees of Fair Use.

    The purpose of creating a seperate act which specifically reinenforces "Fair Use", is two fold:

    A - To prevent the chance (however slim) that the DMCA is upheld similarly to the Tawdy Court's ruling in Dred Scott which declared "Negro's" non-human and property...

    B- To end the COST of defending Fair Use by running every damn case to the Supreme Court.

    I don't trust the Court ENOUGH, nor do I want to keep wasting money and time defending myself against morally unethical companies like Time-Warner (the company which invented the Sub-liminal Ad) who have inexhaustable pockets of income.

    We should also include a provision where the Copyright Office can remove the Copyright of any company which uses it's Copyright in an abusive manner, to obstruct the flow of the information needed for citizens to participate as equals in society and government, which creates too high of a ceiling for fair education, which endangers free speech, or uses copyrights to prevent economic advancement or fair compitition.

    Ruben Safir
    New Yorker for Fair Use

  16. Start a Fair Use Law on Civil Disobedience and DeCSS · · Score: 3

    One of the things we can do to fight off this law suit it too slashdot Congress to pass a bill assuring Fair Use. The MPAA is on a media blitz and confussing people about the basics of information, culture and copyright. What we need is to get Congress to pass a NEW LAW which guarantees Fair Use over the provisions of any other Copyright Law. We can wait for the Supreme Court to uphold Fair Use, but we can also demand from Congross these protections as well, and then undermine the Court Case entirely.

    Orin Hatch is already upset with the degree the DMCA underminded Fair Use. We can HELP him fix his mistake. www.NYFAIRUSE.org is one organization which is trying to do just this.

  17. What now with the DMCA after the Protest? on Judge Conflicted Interest in MPAA/2600 DeCSS Case? · · Score: 1


    It seems that quite a bit of coverage of the DVD trail is taking hold in
    the media. I even saw an article on this in the NY Post, although it
    failed to mention the protest.

    We got fairly lucky on the Protest because I ran into Jerrold Nadler,
    who is the Congressman for the Upper West Side and Boro Park in
    Brooklyn. He may be the Representative of many of you in Manhattan. I
    used to live in his district, but I no longer do.

    We need to now strike a legislative dialog with Nadler. To me, he's one
    of the best representatives in the state. He's usually informed, bright
    and and unafraid to take a position.

    We need to start a legislative movement to protect Fair Use. Clearly,
    the provisions in the DMCA of 1998 designed to protect "Fair Use" and
    property rights are being run roughshod by the Kaplan Court. Most
    importantly, this quote by the MPAA is offensive. It is reported by
    CNET at

    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2274970.html? tag=st.ne.1430735..ni

    "DeCSS is simply the 'lock pick' in the high-tech crime of breaking into
    another person's digital property," the MPAA said in a statement
    posted on its Web site. "The First Amendment (the legal right to free
    speech) provides no protection for such conduct."

    We need Congress to pass a law and for Nadler office to put forward a
    bill which reinforce "Fair Use" in statutory law, reinforcing it's
    Constitutional Status as the rights of the public.

    First, we need a law which explicitly makes clear that a normal retail
    transaction for a physical copy of any media gives possession
    as property of that disk to the purchaser of the disk, just like it
    does with a pair of shoes. Therefor, the analogy that someone picks a
    lock of something that they actually own can be ended both legally and
    philosophically. One is allowed to pick the lock of something they
    OWN. Since a DVD is purchased without a negotiated contract, in a
    simple cash transaction, the ownership of the lock of the DVD is in the
    hands of the disk owner.

    Secondly, we need a law which explicitly gives the owners of media which
    contain copyrighted material, explicit "Fair Use" protection and
    "Reverse Engineering" protection which explicitly takes priority over
    any DMCA protections, or any other protections. Despite the attempt of
    Congress to include "Fair Use" protection in the DMCA, without which the
    law would not have been passed by Congress, the law was written against
    itself in section 1201 and Judge Kaplan is ignoring these protections in
    the Courtroom. As such, these "Fair Use" protections must be reinforced
    and made clear. It must be clear that prior authorization of the
    Copyright Holder is unneeded by those attempting reverse engineering or
    Fair Use.

    Thirdly, we should empower the Copyright Office to remove Copyright
    protection from any individual who abuses Copyright to the detriment of
    Fair Use through frivolous lawsuits. COpyright should be removed from
    any Company which has abused it's limited license to monopoly control of
    Copyrighted Material by preventing the educational process or economic
    development through reverse engineering. Teeth need to be put into the
    Law to prevent abuse of power.

    Lastly, we need a change in Copyright which allows for the ending of
    Copyright of Software and Content which is no longer available from the
    Copyright Holder at a fair market price. This will force Software
    Companies to continue to make available important business software and
    end the unfair forced upgrade of working products and games, or to hand
    over control of them to people who see a reason to do so.

    http://www.nyfairuse.org

    --
    Ruben I Safir

  18. Re:Demonstration is still going on, come on down! on NYLUG Demonstration At DVD Trial · · Score: 1


    It seems that quite a bit of coverage of the DVD trail is taking hold in
    the media. I even saw an article on this in the NY Post, although it
    failed to mention the protest.

    We got fairly lucky on the Protest because I ran into Jerrold Nadler,
    who is the Congressman for the Upper West Side and Boro Park in
    Brooklyn. He may be the Representative of many of you in Manhattan. I
    used to live in his district, but I no longer do.

    We need to now strike a legislative dialog with Nadler. To me, he's one
    of the best representatives in the state. He's usually informed, bright
    and and unafraid to take a position.

    We need to start a legislative movement to protect Fair Use. Clearly,
    the provisions in the DMCA of 1998 designed to protect "Fair Use" and
    property rights are being run roughshod by the Kaplan Court. Most
    importantly, this quote by the MPAA is offensive. It is reported by
    CNET at

    http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-2274970.html? tag=st.ne.1430735..ni

    "DeCSS is simply the 'lock pick' in the high-tech crime of breaking into
    another person's digital property," the MPAA said in a statement
    posted on its Web site. "The First Amendment (the legal right to free
    speech) provides no protection for such conduct."

    We need Congress to pass a law and for Nadler office to put forward a
    bill which reinforce "Fair Use" in statutory law, reinforcing it's
    Constitutional Status as the rights of the public.

    First, we need a law which explicitly makes clear that a normal retail
    transaction for a physical copy of any media gives possession
    as property of that disk to the purchaser of the disk, just like it
    does with a pair of shoes. Therefor, the analogy that someone picks a
    lock of something that they actually own can be ended both legally and
    philosophically. One is allowed to pick the lock of something they
    OWN. Since a DVD is purchased without a negotiated contract, in a
    simple cash transaction, the ownership of the lock of the DVD is in the
    hands of the disk owner.

    Secondly, we need a law which explicitly gives the owners of media which
    contain copyrighted material, explicit "Fair Use" protection and
    "Reverse Engineering" protection which explicitly takes priority over
    any DMCA protections, or any other protections. Despite the attempt of
    Congress to include "Fair Use" protection in the DMCA, without which the
    law would not have been passed by Congress, the law was written against
    itself in section 1201 and Judge Kaplan is ignoring these protections in
    the Courtroom. As such, these "Fair Use" protections must be reinforced
    and made clear. It must be clear that prior authorization of the
    Copyright Holder is unneeded by those attempting reverse engineering or
    Fair Use.

    Thirdly, we should empower the Copyright Office to remove Copyright
    protection from any individual who abuses Copyright to the detriment of
    Fair Use through frivolous lawsuits. COpyright should be removed from
    any Company which has abused it's limited license to monopoly control of
    Copyrighted Material by preventing the educational process or economic
    development through reverse engineering. Teeth need to be put into the
    Law to prevent abuse of power.

    Lastly, we need a change in Copyright which allows for the ending of
    Copyright of Software and Content which is no longer available from the
    Copyright Holder at a fair market price. This will force Software
    Companies to continue to make available important business software and
    end the unfair forced upgrade of working products and games, or to hand
    over control of them to people who see a reason to do so.

    http://www.nyfairuse.org

    --
    Ruben I Safir

  19. NY Times IBM article on The Times' Crystal Ball, Set To 2010 · · Score: 1

    More interesting from the Times this week was the Full Page IBM add in Thursdays Business Section which pronounced Linux the wave of the Future:

    "How long does it take for what was once a grassroots movement to become
    a mainstream force?

    How long till the world's fastest growing operating system becomes the
    worlds most popular operating system?

    How long can the advocates of closed and proprietary systems hold the
    forces of open standards at bay?

    How long till your grandmother is ordering her groceries over the Web on
    a system based on Linux?

    Maybe she already has?"

    IBM has tied a free societies social agenda to their profit margin!!
    Not it's a responsibility as Open Sourced users to take the issues of
    Open Sourced code, and the free exchange of information tot he street.
    WE MUST NOW START TO DEFEAT THE DMCA AND PROTECT FAIR
    USE!!!

    Also - the article about Artist for Napstar is very important!!

    http://partners.nytimes.com/library/financial/su nday/061100biz-music-foege.html

    This little baby shows how musicains are right now destributing music for FREE over the internet and RASIING sales of CD's in the Process!!!!

    Like Duh!!! Exposure creates sales!!! Who would of thunk it!!! .... again

  20. Hemos is WRONG on Seagram Declares War On Napster · · Score: 1

    Hemos

    You said that must of us can agree with most of what Bronfman said. I can't understand where your coming from.

    The premise of Bronfman's argument is:

    For all of us, "Property rights are well understood and universally accepted. You own your home. Ypu own a car. They're yours - they belong to you. They are your property. Well, your ideas belong to you too. And "intellectual property" is property - period.

    Well - Bronfman evidentely doesn't consider the Founding Fathers as part of this universe, because clearly, as Rich Stallman has documented, and as the law stands, and as common sense would tell you, your thoughts are NOT your property. In this has been the basic thrust of misinformation which the powers in the information industry is trying to impose on the American public. The the fact is that legally, morally and historically, your thoughts are owned, lock stock and two smoking barrels, by the public and civilization for properity.

    Legally, our founding fathers thought about giving authers of works ownership of their works. But Hamilton, Madison etc., rightfully rejected this because it is a bad idea which would threaten civilization. Instead, our founding fathers gave Congress the power to limit the natural right of proptery and freedon of speach of owners of copies, and to restrict those rights through the vehicle of a limited copyright for the public good.

    Part of the Human condition is that we live in this shared abstraction called a society and a civilization. It is essential for the health of civilization and society that inforamation can be freely distributed. The Human mind itself requires civilization and society for context for the creation of new thoughts and ideas. If we are honest, we would see that humans don't ever create ANYTHING without borrowing from others thoughts as they were transposed to them.

    The Declaration of Independence was based on the work of John Locke. The music of Metalica is based on the work of Jimi Hendrix, etc etc.

    So all of our thoughts and ideas spawn from previous ideas and thoughts. And therefor, the fundemental theory that Human ideas can be turned into personal property is legally, morally, and intellectually incorrect.

    After Bronfman's foundation premise is dismissed as being legally, intellectually, and morally wrong, everything that extrapulates from this falsehood is FURTHER FALSE.

    What is bothering me, Hemos, is that you give lip service to this disinfomation campain by conceeding the first point in your opening remarks. If you think any part of the Bronfman speach is correct and justified, then your as big of a threat our civilization as Bronfman is.

    Ruben

  21. Re:What about fair use? on At Last And At Length: Lars Speaks · · Score: 1


    Lar keeps talking about his music and says he wants the right to it's use, and considers that to be the major personal issue for him. The
    trouble is that he's mistaken in the first place.

    Creating a work of music or any other itellectual work does not create ownership of that work. We all live in the world together, and the
    foundation of human society is the sharing of our thoughts and creations. What Lars owns is a COPYRIGHT license to the music he created
    for a limited amount of time, and with limited prilvedge to the material. He never did and never will have control of how his music is used.
    Fundementaly, the ownership of a copy of his music is the owner of the medium of the copy. The owner of the medium is restricted in his use
    of the medium only to the degree that Lars copyright license restains the owners rights... or for that matter civilizations rights. Non-comercial
    uses of copyrighted material, even in copying the material is essentially a Constitutional right of the owner of the material.

    So this issue isn't if Lars can control how the material he creates is used, as a moral and a legal issue, Lars never had the right to dictate in the
    first place. That he thinks that he does shows the degree of brain washing media companies have instilled into his and others thinking.

  22. Re:What about fair use? on At Last And At Length: Lars Speaks · · Score: 1

    Lar keeps talking about his music and says he wants the right to it's use, and considers that to be the major personal issue for him. The trouble is that he's mistaken in the first place.

    Creating a work of music or any other itellectual work does not create ownership of that work. We all live in the world together, and the foundation of human society is the sharing of our thoughts and creations. What Lars owns is a COPYRIGHT license to the music he created for a limited amount of time, and with limited prilvedge to the material. He never did and never will have control of how his music is used. Fundementaly, the ownership of a copy of his music is the owner of the medium of the copy. The owner of the medium is restricted in his use of the medium only to the degree that Lars copyright license restains the owners rights... or for that matter civilizations rights. Non-comercial uses of copyrighted material, even in copying the material is essentially a Constitutional right of the owner of the material.

    So this issue isn't if Lars can control how the material he creates is used, as a moral and a legal issue, Lars never had the right to dictate in the first place. That he thinks that he does shows the degree of brain washing media companies have instilled into his and others thinking.

  23. Legislative Record: on Today's Helping Of The DMCA · · Score: 1



    Mr. ASHCROFT. Mr. President, I rise in support of the conference report on
    H.R. 2281, a bill to implement the World Intellectual Property Organization
    copyright treaties. I am pleased that the final product of the many months
    of negotiations has produced a bill of appropriate scope and balance, and
    reflects many of the priorities I established through the introduction of
    my own bill to implement the WIPO copyright treaties, to begin updating the
    Copyright Act for the digital era, and to address the potential problem of
    on-line servicer liability.

    First, with respect to `fair use,' the conferees adopted an alternative to
    section 1201(a)(1) that would authorize the Librarian of Congress to
    selectively waive the prohibition against the act of circumvention to
    prevent a diminution in the availability to individual users (including
    institutions) of a particular category of copyrighted materials. As
    originally proposed by the Administration and adopted by the Senate, this
    section would have established a flat prohibition on the circumvention of
    technological protection measures to gain access to works for any purpose,
    and thus raised the specter of moving our Nation towards a `pay-per-use'
    society. Under the compromise embodied in the conference report, the
    Librarian of Congress would have authority to address the concerns of
    libraries, educational institutions, and other information consumers
    potentially threatened with a denial of access to categories of works in
    circumstances that otherwise would be lawful today. I trust that the
    Librarian of Congress will implement this provision in a way that will
    ensure information consumers may exercise their centuries-old fair use
    privilege to continue to gain access to copyrighted works.

    Second, the conferees made an important contribution by clarifying the `no
    mandate' provision of the bill. Because the conference report is silent, I
    thought that I should explain this provision in some detail. As my
    colleagues may recall, I had been very concerned that S. 2037 could be
    interpreted as a mandate on product manufacturers to design products so as
    to affirmatively respond to or accommodate technological protection
    measures that copyright owners might use to deny access to or the copying
    of their works. To address this potential problem, I authored an amendment
    providing that nothing in the bill required that the design of, or design
    and selection of parts and components for, a consumer electronics,
    telecommunications, or computing product

    http://www.hrrc.org/senflr.html

  24. Write Congress!! on Today's Helping Of The DMCA · · Score: 1

    Greeting Congressmen

    I'm sending this email out to you about the The Digital Millennium
    Copyright Act, Public Law 105-304 (1998), which added a new Chapter 12
    to
    title 17 United States Code.

    This Act by Congress needs to be dramatically altered to ensure that
    the
    fair use rights given to US citizens under the Constitution are better
    protected, and to ensure that everyone in America has the right to
    innovate and participate fairly in commerce.

    Without going through the complete details of the the entire act,
    fundamentally, this law was passed by congress in response to the
    increasing concern by various traditional broadcast and media
    corporations

    that the limit license provided by copyrightis becoming
    harder to protect in the digital environment. The trouble with the act
    is that it has no respect for the constitutional balance between the
    rights of holders of copyright licenses and the rights of

    the public. The rights of free speech and property, which are
    constitutional guaranteed to all individuals, have been made secondary
    to the protection of the privilege of copyright, which is a limited
    license granted to a individuals as congress sees fit for the purposes
    of encouraging practical sciences. In fact, this point is made clear in
    the legislative history of the DMCA as Congress as claimed the
    constitutionality of the DMCA under COngresses empowerment under the
    commerce cause, not the copyright clause. The trouble is that Congress
    has used it's powers under one clause of the Constitution to eliminate
    the publics rights under the Bill of Rights.

    While the DMCA is Constitutionally questionable, it is morally repugnant
    since it reduces the publics ability to participate in commerce and
    public life.
    Both individual free speech and individual property rights, as
    guaranteed under the "Fair Use" doctrine, have been absolved by the DMCA
    to consumers of information. And, of course, we are all information
    consumers.

    both free speech
    and property of people who consume information. And of course we are
    all consumers of information.

    As Law Professor Yochai Benkler of NYU, an expert of Inforamation Law,
    was quoted as saying, "If the judge finds for the plaintiff (in a case
    involving the DMCA in NY), and the decision isn't knocked down on
    appeal
    it will create an environment that's closed like nothing we've ever
    seen
    before....Say you want to criticize the liberal leanings of Hollywood,
    or criticize the sexist movie of this or that, You need to be able to
    quote little pieces of the movie. You can do that under the copyright
    law, because that's fair use, but using DVDs lawfully as the [film
    association] reads the law, you can't do that. This really extinguishes
    user privilege to an unprecedented degree."

    (For more information see
    :http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0018/howe.shtm l)

    The DMCA, as it is currently written and interpreted by the Federal
    District Court of NY, under Judge Lewis Kaplan, (See the transcript at
    http://www.2600.org/news/2000/0121-files/0121-tran s.html ) is being
    interpreted so strictly as to undermine the protections that were
    written into it for protecting reverse engineering and fair use.
    The law states that if a copyrighted material is available in digital
    format (and what is not going to be available in digital format in the
    future), that an electronic access device can be used to regulate
    access
    to that material in order to prevent piracy of the material.

    The trouble with the law is largely 3 fold:

    A - The law tramples on fair use and property rights.
    B - The law is stifling innovation.
    C - The Law is stifling free speech and is a direct threat to the kind
    of discourse necessary for a free society.

    In the first case, up until now, the Supreme Court has drawn a line
    between the limited rights of a copyright holder to material, and the
    protections of speech and property of owners of the actual media in
    which material is publish on. For example, an owner of a record is
    allowed to copy music to cassette tape for personal use. The owner of
    a
    book has the right to quote parts of the book, as I did here, even to
    photocopy it for a personal archive or a report. The DMCA prevents
    these activities when the printed text or the audio track is on a DMCA
    protected digital format. As an example, in the case of the new DVD
    media, the purchase of the DVD does not give the owner of the disk the
    right to use it as they see fit. For example, they may only be
    allowed to view the disk on a computer running Microsoft Windows, or a
    computer using a specifically permitted software or other authorized
    device.

    This arrangement places a choke hold on what information can
    and can not be viewed and removes freedom of choice and fair use. You
    can not copy any segment of the information, anotate it, or print it
    out. As things are currently, for example, a standard American DVD can
    not legally be seen on the Linux Operating
    System, the second largest operating system in current use in the
    US. In response to not being able to view DVD's on Linux, Linux
    developers created a program to access the DVD for viewing.
    The developers posted the program on the internet. In response, the
    Movie
    industry brought suit in NY and in California. Judge Kaplan in NY has
    said in his ruling that EVEN UNDER THE CONDITION that the program was
    developed for use under Linux, and was protected under the reverse
    engineering clause of the DMCA, that this would not protect the
    developer of the program from arrest, or the web masters who post the
    program on the internet from prosecution under the DMCA.

    As it is, the developer is a 16 year old boy and both the boy and his
    father were arrested in Norway, where they live. If he lived in
    America, the boy would be considered a felon under the DMCA.

    In the second case, if Judge Kaplan's ruling is to stand, and if
    congress
    does not strengthen the rights of developers to reverse engineer DMCA
    hardware and software for inter-operability with new hardware and
    software, then the impact on the US economy will be devastating. The
    Linux operating system, for example, was created by a graduate student
    who had an open platform in the IBM Personal Computer clone. Without
    the ability to have this open platform, the Linux operating system, in
    addition to nearly every other internet based piece of software, could
    never have come into existence. The DMCA is a dagger at the heart of
    Linux, and other new technologies like it, and to the internet itself.
    If any part of the PC which is copyrighted (which is almost the entire
    platform), the DMCA today would prevent the exploration of the hardware
    and the firmware, and more to the point, would, with new technology
    make
    it
    illegal just to access the computers insides without
    pre-authorization by the copyright holders of the technology.

    In short, under today's legal system, thanks to the DMCA, the internet
    itself, which is largely driving today's economy, would never have come
    into existence because the protocols which run the networking would be
    protected and closed through means of DMCA devices.

    In the third case, the DMCA is stifling free speech today, and will
    have
    an increasingly devastating effect on free speech in the future. The
    news
    outlet at http://slashdot.org has received notice from Microsoft Corp.
    to
    remove information posted on the web site in discussing Microsoft
    business
    practices, because they claim, not that the information itself
    was copyrighted, but because it was protected under the DMCA. The
    copyright itself would not have given Microsoft protection because the
    material was being discussed in the context of a of a conversation of
    it's unfair business practices. So they needed to invoke the DMCA.
    Microsoft is bypassing the fair use doctrine which protects individuals
    and news media by invoking the DMCA. (see
    http://nylug.org/list-archives/NYLUG-TALK/2000-05/ msg00159.html for a
    copy of the Letter sent by Microsoft to the publisher of slashdot)
    This threat is larger than the recent spat between Time-Warner and
    Disney over channel seven/WABC. In that case, the NY
    Times has ardently come out in support of protecting the freedom of
    speech
    by the press. In this case, there would no longer BE ANY PRESS except
    for
    news disseminated through approved channels under DMCA protection. Both
    creators and consumers of information would be censored through the
    control of access to the public.

    Barring any potential perceived monetary risk which media companies
    think up, and especially in light of the fact that no evidence exists
    that digital media has cost companies a single penny from copyright
    infringement,
    I must ask that the Congressmen take the lead in protecting individual
    property and fair use rights, freedom to innovate and share in our
    prosperity, and freedom of speech. This is the trinity of a great
    and free society. Congress is empowered to protect and enhance these
    activities. But Congress has stumbled because it seems to lack a real
    understanding of the issues, and how technology works.

    I want you to lobby and to present a bill to repeal the DMCA, or at
    least, pass an amendment reaffirming the rights of every individual, in
    relationship to copyrighted and exchanged information, to their
    historical guarantees which have, until now, served this great nation
    so
    well.

    ________________________________
    Other Sourses of Information:

    http://www.nytimes.com/library/opinion/safire/0504 00safi.html
    http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0018/howe.shtml
    http://slashdot.org
    Must Read-->http://noframes.linuxjournal.com/articles/c urrents/016.html

    --
    Ruben I Safir

    ruben@sruben.dental.nyu.edu
    ruben@wynn.noSppam.com

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  25. What needs to be done at the California Hearings on Today's Helping Of The DMCA · · Score: 1

    After spending a good part of 3 days reviewing the Tapes of the east
    coast hearings on the DMCA, I think that a number of problems can be
    outlined in the attempt to hurdle fair use of copyrighted materials
    for Open Source development, and in the rest of the world.

    First of all, being there and at these sort of hearings is very
    important. The Library Associations had presented a dozen
    or so testimonies. As a result, through the testimony that the libraries gave, they shaped the framework and the context of the hearings that for the rest of the testimonies.

    Fortunately, Open Source and Libraries largely dovetail their needsin terms of copyright. But there exists important differences between
    theneeds of Libraries and Open Source developers. Concessions that Libraries obtain, may well not be extended to the public at large. We need to also bring this same level of lobbying to the Government if we want our individual rights to survive, let alone Linux or FreeBSD.

    Secondly, the largest problem I see is in the definition of words. Repeatedly, proponents of access control talked about the rights of
    property owners, and described copyright holders as property right owners, and such were expecting certain rights. They then went on to describe "Fair Use", on the other hand, as a doctrine and
    privilege.

    This axiom was never sufficiently challenged, and is of course, essentially wrong.

    Copyright is indeed the privilege and Congress can remove all copyright tomorrow if they so desired. Fair Use, on the other hand, is the constitutional right of individuals, and nothing can be done to remove "Fair Use".

    For example, your rights can not be given away by contract. I would not be able to sign an agreement preventing my freedom of speech or assigning it to another. Similarly, I can not give away my right to property, to have due process,
    etc. These are guarantees. But a copyright can be sold - straight out.

    Clearly, the Fair Use doctrine was created by the courts to define the property rights of individuals over material aquired under copyright. Therefore, "Fair Use" is not a privilege at all, nor can I agree to give it away in a click through license.

    There have been comparisons made that a person using a legally acquired work and
    hacking through access controls to use the material in a way protected under the Fair Use doctrine is the same as a person breaking and entering into a home/business to make Fair Use of a book in a store. Nevertheless, this is clearly invalid at the core premise. In fact, the limitation of Fair Use of a
    material legally purchased by an individual is comparable to Time Warner breaking into my home and stealing my VCR because I lent a my copy of the Titanic to my Grandmother.

    Secondly, the panel at the copyright office really does not take the Open Source community seriously. They find us an amusing group of little consequence.

    Thirdly, many people purjured themselves at the hearings. This is especially true with
    Time Warner who said that there is a legal license of Linux to play DVD's currently. Yet in fact, Creative Labs told me that the Movie Industry
    threatened them if they released another open soured driver for their current DVD player.

    A fourth point is that the DMCA definitely created a dangerous precedent, which
    Congress was completely aware of, and said so in the Legislative History

    of the DMCA. It is repeated in the text. When Congress could not resolve the constitutional issue of Fair Use with Access control they passed the issue to the Copyright Office. In order to get the statute passed, they left the Fair Use problem to the Copyright Office to solve. And yet many people told the Office they had no right to address that issue, which was clearly intentionally left to them in the first place because Congress could not resolve the problem itself.

    So a great Constitutional issue has been passed by Congress to the Copyright Office. I'm not sure if Congress actually has the power to do this. But the thrust of the Copyright Office is to not do anything to destroy the law totally of its bite. The problem is that Access Control is incompatible with the Rights of Property and free Speech granted to individuals under the Constitution (what is generally being called Fair
    Use doctrine) One completely destroys the other as a practicle matter. This puts the Copyright office in a position of making rules to prevent
    access control from destroying the Bill of Rights and clauses within the

    Constitution which protect
    individuals from Government or private interests. I do not think the copyright office can do this even if it wanted to. And therefor the entire law might be unconstitutional. Either way, the Office needs to be urged to make sweeping classes of material exempt from the DMCA because to do so otherwise would be unconstitutional.

    Fifth - a major weak point in many of the arguments was a lack of examples of harm by the DMCA. Well, the DVD control is one, the destruction of Audio Digital Tape another (prior to the DMCA), the Steven King e-book is a third, being unable to scan past advertisments is a fourth etc, etc ,etc

    We need the people in California to be prepared with cases of this, and the Comments to Testimony coming up after the hearing should detail these abuses. Bring a DVD if you need to!

    The argument was repeatedly made by media industry that they will guarantee us certain rights because it is in their interest to do so and can therefore
    be trusted to protect Americans rights to property and speech. This argument must be attacked vigorously.

    First, Industry does not give us "Fair Use" rights - the Constitution guarantees it to the public. Secondly, the concessions they are making,

    they have no real control of. For example, they claimed to allow people

    to RIP CDs for personal use. This is something they clearly have no control over and had tried to stop when they killed the Digital Audio
    Tape format. Also, as made clear by the WABC cable spat, they have proven that they can not be trusted to protect the interests of the
    public. In fact, if they did so, they would be in conflict with their responsibility to stock holders. By definition, businesses serve their
    own purposes. In addition, Congress has granted the responsibilty of protecting of our rights to a private enterprise, which if not unconstitutional, is still morally corrupt.

    Secondly, Industry has a track record of impeding the rights of the Public in matters of Fair Use. Valentiani, who represented the Movie industry flat out compared access of a video media to buying a ticket at

    a movie theater. He directly linked access of a legally acquired copy of material to the fee for view model of seeing a performance at a theater. Congress went to great pains to prevent this in the DMCA, but without Fair Use protections, industry has said on record that it wants a pay per view license and the end of Fair Use.