Terrible user support is. I bought the blackadder beta and this is what happened:
* it wouldn't work as I didn't have a proprietary library that was not distributed. I wrote an email and was assured that they would fix it. They never did.
* I wrote more email, and Shawn replied to every one with the same message: This will be fixed.
* After months of repeating this I gave up.
If you treat your customers this way you will not sell software and you will go out of business. Personally I wish some evil on the Kompnay -- about $80 worth, to be exact... I paid for my software and thay never delivered.
I feel that learning perl is an excellent book fro using Perl procedurally -- as a scripting language. I have had very mixed feelings about "Programming Perl," though. I feel it is very rambling and disorganized. "Programming Ruby" is written in a way that allows you to read the first 100 pages straight through and comprehend it.
Re:Who wants to write CGI anyway ?
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um. eruby is simple, if that's what you are pointing toward. It allows you to embed Ruby code into HTML. That's all. I personally have been working on an extensive web backend using ruby and found it to be a delight to use, to have no noticable performance issues that I have seen and to be a peer in every way to Perl and Python with the execption to pre made modules, etc. But that is what I am working on after all.
People: Don't worry, Ruby is not going to _make_ you use it. Seems like a lot of folks are pretty defensive against this lang for some reason. I think that the proper response is to check it out, do the Hello World and the Fib examples from the book, which is free to read cover-to-cover online, and see what you think.
BTW: please, everyone, check out some books that are not O'reilly. You'll be doing yourself a favor... My personal feeling is that O'Reilly books are lagging in quality more and more often these days.
I guess I'm rooting for the underdog as always:
Blackbox as windowmanager,
vim as editor,
mutt as mailer,
ruby as language of choice.
Everyone using something does not make it the best choice. A tool that does everything is not the (oldschool) UNIX way. The right tool for the job.
You have obviously never maintained other's Perl.
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Code maintainability is by some accounts the _main_ attribute of any langauge. Have you ever spend three weeks decoding someone's perl code ona production system? This kind of thing is a big problem.
It is easy to write clean, modular, readable code in Ruby. It also helps that it is as or more OO than Java but with great additional features. Also the irc and mailinglist community is superior to any I'ev been involved with. It is really is a great langauge to look into. And this book is also very very good.
I really don't know what any of this has to do with Ruby. Ruby is a different language from the rest of them, like any language is. Man, you all sound like you haven't read anything about the langauge at all. You should, all you are doing by not making the effort to learn about it is keeping yourself away from what might become your langauge-of-choice. I'm certainly glad I checked it out.
More importantly: This book is __great__ it is a very very clear into to bothj Ruby and OO programming. I understand OO principles much better having read it. You all oughtta check it out. Also "The Pragmatic Programmer" by the same authors.
Ruby implements multiple-inheritance type stuff using "mixins."
You should really check it out. 9 out of 10 ex-Perl/Python junkies agree that mixins are super-way-cool!
The most innane Slashdot comment in a long while.
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You posit exactly no backing or evidence in your post. Ruby is _not_ sold in fact. It is free to use and its authors make no effort to "sell" it.
So... what exactly do you mean when you say... well. everything you said. You sound like a Pointy haired boss, or Phillip Greenspun. or something like that.
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there _is_ a mod_ruby and an eRuby for embedded code. Jeez! You folks oughtta at least look around before saying stuff like that.
Check out the application archive, there are a lot of really cool things being developed for this language.
Personally, I am writing a wicked web served system with ruby. This language is wonderful -- Please don't be fooled by these posts... I feel such a bad energy here on slashdot where so many people (supossedly openminded, smart people) slag on something because it is new and is trying to be better. goodness!
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Terrible user support is. I bought the blackadder beta and this is what happened:
* it wouldn't work as I didn't have a proprietary library that was not distributed. I wrote an email and was assured that they would fix it. They never did.
* I wrote more email, and Shawn replied to every one with the same message: This will be fixed.
* After months of repeating this I gave up.
If you treat your customers this way you will not sell software and you will go out of business. Personally I wish some evil on the Kompnay -- about $80 worth, to be exact... I paid for my software and thay never delivered.
I feel that learning perl is an excellent book fro using Perl procedurally -- as a scripting language. I have had very mixed feelings about "Programming Perl," though. I feel it is very rambling and disorganized. "Programming Ruby" is written in a way that allows you to read the first 100 pages straight through and comprehend it.
um. eruby is simple, if that's what you are pointing toward. It allows you to embed Ruby code into HTML. That's all. I personally have been working on an extensive web backend using ruby and found it to be a delight to use, to have no noticable performance issues that I have seen and to be a peer in every way to Perl and Python with the execption to pre made modules, etc. But that is what I am working on after all.
People: Don't worry, Ruby is not going to _make_ you use it. Seems like a lot of folks are pretty defensive against this lang for some reason. I think that the proper response is to check it out, do the Hello World and the Fib examples from the book, which is free to read cover-to-cover online, and see what you think.
BTW: please, everyone, check out some books that are not O'reilly. You'll be doing yourself a favor... My personal feeling is that O'Reilly books are lagging in quality more and more often these days.
I guess I'm rooting for the underdog as always:
Blackbox as windowmanager,
vim as editor,
mutt as mailer,
ruby as language of choice.
Everyone using something does not make it the best choice. A tool that does everything is not the (oldschool) UNIX way. The right tool for the job.
Code maintainability is by some accounts the _main_ attribute of any langauge. Have you ever spend three weeks decoding someone's perl code ona production system? This kind of thing is a big problem.
It is easy to write clean, modular, readable code in Ruby. It also helps that it is as or more OO than Java but with great additional features. Also the irc and mailinglist community is superior to any I'ev been involved with. It is really is a great langauge to look into. And this book is also very very good.
I see the irony.
Ruby's doc handling tools are both:
very similar to Python's and Perl's, bit so similar to LISP's.
and
totally user extendable.
so, what is the problem? Oh, you wanted to sound like you knew it all.... That _can_ be a problem.
I really don't know what any of this has to do with Ruby. Ruby is a different language from the rest of them, like any language is. Man, you all sound like you haven't read anything about the langauge at all. You should, all you are doing by not making the effort to learn about it is keeping yourself away from what might become your langauge-of-choice. I'm certainly glad I checked it out.
More importantly: This book is __great__ it is a very very clear into to bothj Ruby and OO programming. I understand OO principles much better having read it. You all oughtta check it out. Also "The Pragmatic Programmer" by the same authors.
Ruby implements multiple-inheritance type stuff using "mixins."
You should really check it out. 9 out of 10 ex-Perl/Python junkies agree that mixins are super-way-cool!
You posit exactly no backing or evidence in your post. Ruby is _not_ sold in fact. It is free to use and its authors make no effort to "sell" it.
So... what exactly do you mean when you say... well. everything you said. You sound like a Pointy haired boss, or Phillip Greenspun. or something like that.
there _is_ a mod_ruby and an eRuby for embedded code. Jeez! You folks oughtta at least look around before saying stuff like that.
Check out the application archive, there are a lot of really cool things being developed for this language.
Personally, I am writing a wicked web served system with ruby. This language is wonderful -- Please don't be fooled by these posts... I feel such a bad energy here on slashdot where so many people (supossedly openminded, smart people) slag on something because it is new and is trying to be better. goodness!