A quick search and you will have a considerable list of names and example cases - for just this single topic (OWS). There are plenty more. So to address your original point: yes US Citizens do fear the government knocking on the door at midnight (literally!), rounding them up for detainment before they can exercise their supposed democratic rights. The crime: wanting to improvement the community.
To quote from the GP, the US has unfortunately become a country "where you can be taken off the street without any [justifiable] cause, just by labeling you a 'terrorist' sounds just like the Soviet Union, North Korea and Nazi Germany."
But that isn't happening is it? Do US Citizens need to fear the government...
Your not paying attention to the 100 mile rights free zone (and growing - inland). I dare you to take up some social activism then let's see how long you can go without feeling the fear (As one example: Where did all the OWS leaders go?).
Anyone knowing even a little about, say, DNS, BIND, networks, and specifically DOS attacks knows that you absolutely do not need high bandwidth connectivity to orchestrate an devastating DOS attack. So either you are ignorant, or being deliberately misleading. Second - Guardian "a site well-known for its anti-US bias" - that is the extent of your fact finding truth exposing debating prowess, the equivalent of "...Snowden leaks lalalala head in the sand, all disclosures ANTI-US lalalala...". Not much to I can say to that overwhelming logic DNS-and.BIND (461968)...
DDoS attacks on various websites have been routinely launched by hackers within China
Hackers like these launching attacks from inside China? No longer can we just blindly accept that "launched by hackers within China" actually means that the hacker is or works for the Chinese...
Your reference is outright misleading to very very wrong. No surprise there, given that The Heritage Foundation "is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C." whose shining moment was its "leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study". As an aside, could be a good chance we have found your handler there, Fjordy.
Here are some more credible figures to educate you (if that is your wish), from the well regarded Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. I would draw your eye to the incredible graphic here. Just shy of an eye popping 700billion/year military spending by the US. Certainly off its historic highs during the good times high rolling 2008, but even the military could not live it up like it is pre-2008. Far more credible than your defence spending as % total budget outlays 1945–2013, which is like saying, "hey the overall budget is growing faster than our budget increases, so... [switch off cognitive functions], See!! The long term trend in defence spending is down!!". Muddled half-truths and nonsense indeed.
@Cold Fjord and on a more personal note (as personal as you can get with shill accounts) - your writing style and propaganda level has changed of late. More blunt/crude - perhaps a new operator? I mean, using crass, flawed logic such as "If the so called military industrial complex were really that powerful, its share of spending would not have dropped as it has" to make your case was not the subtle half intelligent sounding Fjord we used to know. As always with your posts.
It's very simple, and there's a multitude of historical precedent; war is profitable. It keeps the "little people" in line via fear, and it's a wonderful oppurtunity to steal everything you can pick up. It has evolved into the "military industrial complex" and it isn't going away until and only if We the People exercise our fundamental right to self protection and get rid of the thieves and murderers that always inhabit governments. The "Axis of Evil" is easy to find in the present case: it's midway between the White House and the Capitol Building in Washington D.C.
Of course it's probably moot, our Plutocrats can easily see climate change, peak oil, and worldwide food shortages looming and have been building the infrastructure of control as fast as they can so they can toss us all under the bus with impunity when the shit hits the fan big time. They will be able to do this because most of those reading this are way too complacent to try to defend themselves even when it's obvious their own death is imminent. "Land of the free, home of the brave" . . . right.
Too bad this AC got modded to oblivion... they are pretty spot on...
sorry I meant anti-spam network - obviously. Where participating forums can display a nice little ribbon, proudly show that they participate in the "Shaft the Shills" network...
All points to a new market opening up: Tools to identify and track propaganda/shill/astroturf accounts, IP address blocks etc. Envisage something like a voluntary spam network where all the forum software/websites can band together to make these nefarious activities much more costly to operate and maintain...
CTU showed this technology like two years ago. Even works on vending machine reflections.
Yes it is old inconsequential news but that is a feature not a bug. The Times really really really needed a security surveillance state "story" to try and keep itself semi relevant in the eyes of their readers but at the same time not bite the hand that feeds them (i.e. more than a cosy relationship with the goverment).
Yes, yes it is, but then so are all the championed alternatives including the best "trust us" third party systems we have for SSL, so all your points apply equally to what we have today as it does to what I am saying. There is a big difference however between what I am saying Vs what we have/what and you appear to be championing. 1) Everything will be encrypted by default Vs almost everything unencrypted as it is now. 2) MITM is costly, must be done *at the first key exchange* by your ISP/NSA whoever etc otherwise it will not work - cant target an individual for MITM after key exchange has taken place which could have happened months, years previously Vs the much easier less costly mass surveillance of all unencrypted data that we enjoy today under existing system.
Further once you have default everything is encrypted you can solve job #2 authenticate certs out of band easier and without having to get people to install and configure extra plugins, and without raising a red flag "look at me, I am encrypting stuff". Example: Try getting PGP going most people dont use it Vs OTR on any chat client where is comes as default. Then we move onto job #3 methods for addressing/obscuring who your talking to also become easier to solve If everything is already encrypted: for example protocol extensions to multicast messages/packets to X random destinations including the intended one - where all destinations have opted into securing their communications against metadata collection.
Sorry to sound like a broken record here but it seems you have ignored all my points and not giving me much to go on by just saying "wasting your time", " won't be worth there cpu cycles". The way forward I presented has all the vulnerabilities that we already have but removes the biggest hurdles to paving a way forward. Zero configuration, it is what the masses need without even knowing it.
Zero configuration it just works encrypted out of the box, it is what the masses need without even knowing it.
Encryption programs that do that, won't be worth there cpu cycles. Where are the keys coming from? Who do *you* trust. What about expired keys and other key management things?
Proper secure point to point encryption over the internet, is not zero configuration.
The threat model in this case is the government. So MITM attacks are very likely a real threat. People will expect it to work on their phone, tablet and PCs around the house without any more annoying configuration. It just does not work. Look at the state of SSL.
You are mis-informed, see Diffie-Hellman and OTR. Yes we can have zero configuration tools *and* secure to get us ALL to always encrypted all the time (Top priority Job #1). After that priority Job #2 easy methods to validate certs out of band is just a small baby step for those that are interested. After that Job #3 making meta data collection useless is also much easier once everything is encrypted all the time - for example a simple multicast encrypted packets to many random destinations but only one intended destination can actually decrypt the message.
We have been trying what your proposing/advocating over the last few decades (i.e. trying to start at Job #2) and look at the result: a big fail almost nothing is encrypted ready to be hoovered up collected and analyzed, especially if we are talking about email. The little that is encrypted using what security professionals champion as their best achievement, SSL, is completely open to MITM.
Tools are not the problem. The problem is that at a certain scale you need some infrastructure to distribute and authenticate encryption keys and at that point you'll run into the same problem we're at now: You have third parties you'll have to trust. Doesn't matter then if you have to trust them not to hand over your data (like Google and ISPs do) or your encryption keys.
It's not a technical problem, it's a political problem.
I do not agree, or at least not see it as so black and white. Tools *are* a big problem, almost a complete failure even being designed by engineers for engineers. Hard to use and setup for people with no 5kill2, not up and running by default with zero configuration on programs first install. Tools today put the egg before the chicken requiring that you pay/setup/configure yourself into the "infrastructure to distribute and authenticate encryption keys" before you can encrypt anything by default, therefore the overwhelming default is that nothing is encrypted - a big fail. In this light OTR does it right - 100% everything encrypted by default after first install of chat clients supporting it, by default. If you are one of the few that wants to raise the bar on the security from there, then you can easily check signatures out of band or use a third party authenticator - but that is secondary and and very easy to do given everyone is using it already by default. PGP/SSL does it the hard/wrong way (IMO): Forces everyone into "too complicated for the average person"/$$$ solutions even before you can start encrypting (without scary browser warnings etc). End result: Nobody encrypts, an especially glaring failure in the case of email. SSL is mostly for commercial orientated websites - check stats for vast majority of websites vs those that support SSL. Self signed certs are a dirst word
Security experts will be growling "MITM", "we neeeed third party authentication", "good security is hard to do", "MITM, again", but again it is egg before the chicken missing the forest for the trees. Top priority Job #1 is get everything encrypted all the time. Job #2 you can start worrying about how to check signatures on your certs out of band, raise the visual cues that your session is both encrypted and you have taken the extra time or used a third party to authenticate the certs signatires. If the whistleblower Snowden has taught us nothing else, it is that if you do bother to encrypt whilst nobody else is doing it then your communications are automatically being targeted for extra monitoring. Oh, and if you do happen to visit some website over https that one agency or other happens to have a grudge against or wishes to perform some industrial espionage on, then your also MITM'ed.
Security tools are still in the dark ages and do not cater to humans. No amount of political hot air is going to fix that...
As a highly decorated General who had worked his way up through the ranks due to natural ability to assess complex situations succinctly and act accordingly, he was certainly extremely well qualified to tell the American public exactly what he has been doing during his long and "successful" career in their name.
Major General Smedley Butler not only told it how it is, and gave more than a few examples to explain his point - all of which you seem to have ignored. The fact that you call his assessment of his lifelong job "leftist fringe politics" only reflects on how deep and far you have your head buried in la la propaganda land. A General like Smedley Butler would have no place for you on his battlefield you would only be a danger to yourself and others. You deserve to stay where you already are - in the war propaganda department, where convincing others of an alternative la la reality is easier if you believe in it yourself.
You are right - how do we change the situation? I think "Off The Record" (OTR) is a step in the right direction and possible example to learn from. It just works out of the box for a lot of chat clients zero configuration needed providing 100% encrypted chat sessions by default for all users that use those chat clients that ship with it enabled by default. A security "professional" will be quick to sprout that it is open to MITM blah blah blah but fail to recognize that 100% adoption always on encryption is achieved - the hard part. From there it is a small extra step for those that could be bothered to check fingerprints out of band, or even add extra services that help the clueless/not interested do that part automatically. It is like security professionals cant get past the "it is not flawless" stage... and so we are all stuck with nothing or something very good, that nobody else uses or can interact with (PGP as one of many examples).
Recommend switching away from windows, a few will do so and a lot more will just not bother - and so the pool of people using Tor (and other encryption privacy "enhancing" services) shrinks just a little bit more. If the whistleblower Snowden revelations have taught us nothing else, it is that if you are one of the few that use encryption/VPN/privacy enhancing solutions then you attract extra unwanted attention to yourself. For everyone to enjoy privacy, security professionals need to be coding solutions and encouraging more people, including Windows users, to adopt always on default encryption - not the opposite. Are they really that clueless?
You should not, but no it is not 33% of 7 networks from that example - that is for all whitespace, radio etc etc. There is room for much more than 7 private networks within 33% of all TV whitespace, obviously. See UNESCO report for details.
When the US criticized him over freedom of the press, he didn't argue about that point at all. He just did a typical Marxist move and attacked the US over its wars, Guantanamo, and drone strikes, never addressing the issue at all.
Your right in that part of the news item quoting him he does address the accusations. The UNESCO report does however, and they are independent and take it pretty seriously being a well respected organization.
If your happy with the mass media system we in "the west" have now for all our (fox) news shaping public debate and political discourse on any and every issue, then fair enough. I am more on the side that others are mentioning in this thread - corporate media serves corporate interests which conflict with societies interests, and so our society continues its slipper slide down. Any move by any country anywhere that tries to tackle this issue is of interest and worth a bit more consideration than just repeating what mass media has to say on the issue IMO. It appears you do not agree - no problem carry on.
+1 interesting video, thanks. Note he also says "our emails" - considering that there is a good chance most at black hat are working or informing for some three letter agency or another, this could also be the truth. They claim they cannot read their own (NSA/FBI) internal emails... can't be watching the watchers.
Linux shminux. Just notice how many stories [slashdot.org] there are lately on/. and elsewhere showing Russia and a negative light. Our marketing machine is running overtime to change public opinion and shape the debate on and around the whistleblower Snowden (correction, Spy named Snowden). Do you know how many resources it takes to stuff/. submission systems and voting AND every similar news channels out there. Lucky for us the media echo chamber [wikipedia.org] helps us do our work for us, most people cant smell the propaganda if we had an army of monkeys throw that shit at them. The focus is on Snowden and all who offer him help and asylum, NOT the actual details of what he has revealed and how far we can peer into everyones lives. Please ignore this new news, it is nothing new everyone knew this was happening anyway, Snowden is a liar, we will scramble countries to bring down air force one jets/presidents if we think you might harbor him. Just carry on with your life in the glass house... and please, do not even think of moving to encryption solutions - SSL is perfect as it is, and forget voting us out or taking away our power - we know what you do at night and can identify the key players in all your civil movements before your email even hits anyones inbox...
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A quick search and you will have a considerable list of names and example cases - for just this single topic (OWS). There are plenty more. So to address your original point: yes US Citizens do fear the government knocking on the door at midnight (literally!), rounding them up for detainment before they can exercise their supposed democratic rights. The crime: wanting to improvement the community.
To quote from the GP, the US has unfortunately become a country "where you can be taken off the street without any [justifiable] cause, just by labeling you a 'terrorist' sounds just like the Soviet Union, North Korea and Nazi Germany."
But that isn't happening is it? Do US Citizens need to fear the government...
Your not paying attention to the 100 mile rights free zone (and growing - inland). I dare you to take up some social activism then let's see how long you can go without feeling the fear (As one example: Where did all the OWS leaders go?).
Anyone knowing even a little about, say, DNS, BIND, networks, and specifically DOS attacks knows that you absolutely do not need high bandwidth connectivity to orchestrate an devastating DOS attack. So either you are ignorant, or being deliberately misleading. Second - Guardian "a site well-known for its anti-US bias" - that is the extent of your fact finding truth exposing debating prowess, the equivalent of "...Snowden leaks lalalala head in the sand, all disclosures ANTI-US lalalala...". Not much to I can say to that overwhelming logic DNS-and.BIND (461968)...
Well, other than this, perhaps. Cold Fjord - is that you?
DDoS attacks on various websites have been routinely launched by hackers within China
Hackers like these launching attacks from inside China? No longer can we just blindly accept that "launched by hackers within China" actually means that the hacker is or works for the Chinese...
Your reference is outright misleading to very very wrong. No surprise there, given that The Heritage Foundation "is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C." whose shining moment was its "leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage's policy study". As an aside, could be a good chance we have found your handler there, Fjordy.
Here are some more credible figures to educate you (if that is your wish), from the well regarded Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. I would draw your eye to the incredible graphic here. Just shy of an eye popping 700billion/year military spending by the US. Certainly off its historic highs during the good times high rolling 2008, but even the military could not live it up like it is pre-2008. Far more credible than your defence spending as % total budget outlays 1945–2013, which is like saying, "hey the overall budget is growing faster than our budget increases, so... [switch off cognitive functions], See!! The long term trend in defence spending is down!!". Muddled half-truths and nonsense indeed.
@Cold Fjord and on a more personal note (as personal as you can get with shill accounts) - your writing style and propaganda level has changed of late. More blunt/crude - perhaps a new operator? I mean, using crass, flawed logic such as "If the so called military industrial complex were really that powerful, its share of spending would not have dropped as it has" to make your case was not the subtle half intelligent sounding Fjord we used to know. As always with your posts.
It's very simple, and there's a multitude of historical precedent; war is profitable. It keeps the "little people" in line via fear, and it's a wonderful oppurtunity to steal everything you can pick up. It has evolved into the "military industrial complex" and it isn't going away until and only if We the People exercise our fundamental right to self protection and get rid of the thieves and murderers that always inhabit governments. The "Axis of Evil" is easy to find in the present case: it's midway between the White House and the Capitol Building in Washington D.C.
Of course it's probably moot, our Plutocrats can easily see climate change, peak oil, and worldwide food shortages looming and have been building the infrastructure of control as fast as they can so they can toss us all under the bus with impunity when the shit hits the fan big time. They will be able to do this because most of those reading this are way too complacent to try to defend themselves even when it's obvious their own death is imminent. "Land of the free, home of the brave" . . . right.
Too bad this AC got modded to oblivion... they are pretty spot on...
sorry I meant anti-spam network - obviously. Where participating forums can display a nice little ribbon, proudly show that they participate in the "Shaft the Shills" network...
Who modded this "troll?"
Plenty of shill account/bots around here. In fact some of the "tools" the article is referring to are applied to do just this.
All points to a new market opening up: Tools to identify and track propaganda/shill/astroturf accounts, IP address blocks etc. Envisage something like a voluntary spam network where all the forum software/websites can band together to make these nefarious activities much more costly to operate and maintain...
Planted information to discredit Snowden or using Snowden's name to cover for another leaker?
"Snowden: UK government now leaking documents about itself" Wow, UK government are _really_ getting desperate scattering like cockroaches when the light gets turned on them...
CTU showed this technology like two years ago. Even works on vending machine reflections.
Yes it is old inconsequential news but that is a feature not a bug. The Times really really really needed a security surveillance state "story" to try and keep itself semi relevant in the eyes of their readers but at the same time not bite the hand that feeds them (i.e. more than a cosy relationship with the goverment).
vulnerable to MITM attacks
Yes, yes it is, but then so are all the championed alternatives including the best "trust us" third party systems we have for SSL, so all your points apply equally to what we have today as it does to what I am saying. There is a big difference however between what I am saying Vs what we have/what and you appear to be championing. 1) Everything will be encrypted by default Vs almost everything unencrypted as it is now. 2) MITM is costly, must be done *at the first key exchange* by your ISP/NSA whoever etc otherwise it will not work - cant target an individual for MITM after key exchange has taken place which could have happened months, years previously Vs the much easier less costly mass surveillance of all unencrypted data that we enjoy today under existing system.
Further once you have default everything is encrypted you can solve job #2 authenticate certs out of band easier and without having to get people to install and configure extra plugins, and without raising a red flag "look at me, I am encrypting stuff". Example: Try getting PGP going most people dont use it Vs OTR on any chat client where is comes as default. Then we move onto job #3 methods for addressing/obscuring who your talking to also become easier to solve If everything is already encrypted: for example protocol extensions to multicast messages/packets to X random destinations including the intended one - where all destinations have opted into securing their communications against metadata collection.
Sorry to sound like a broken record here but it seems you have ignored all my points and not giving me much to go on by just saying "wasting your time", " won't be worth there cpu cycles". The way forward I presented has all the vulnerabilities that we already have but removes the biggest hurdles to paving a way forward. Zero configuration, it is what the masses need without even knowing it.
Zero configuration it just works encrypted out of the box, it is what the masses need without even knowing it.
Encryption programs that do that, won't be worth there cpu cycles. Where are the keys coming from? Who do *you* trust. What about expired keys and other key management things? Proper secure point to point encryption over the internet, is not zero configuration. The threat model in this case is the government. So MITM attacks are very likely a real threat. People will expect it to work on their phone, tablet and PCs around the house without any more annoying configuration. It just does not work. Look at the state of SSL.
You are mis-informed, see Diffie-Hellman and OTR. Yes we can have zero configuration tools *and* secure to get us ALL to always encrypted all the time (Top priority Job #1). After that priority Job #2 easy methods to validate certs out of band is just a small baby step for those that are interested. After that Job #3 making meta data collection useless is also much easier once everything is encrypted all the time - for example a simple multicast encrypted packets to many random destinations but only one intended destination can actually decrypt the message.
We have been trying what your proposing/advocating over the last few decades (i.e. trying to start at Job #2) and look at the result: a big fail almost nothing is encrypted ready to be hoovered up collected and analyzed, especially if we are talking about email. The little that is encrypted using what security professionals champion as their best achievement, SSL, is completely open to MITM.
Tools are not the problem. The problem is that at a certain scale you need some infrastructure to distribute and authenticate encryption keys and at that point you'll run into the same problem we're at now: You have third parties you'll have to trust. Doesn't matter then if you have to trust them not to hand over your data (like Google and ISPs do) or your encryption keys.
It's not a technical problem, it's a political problem.
I do not agree, or at least not see it as so black and white. Tools *are* a big problem, almost a complete failure even being designed by engineers for engineers. Hard to use and setup for people with no 5kill2, not up and running by default with zero configuration on programs first install. Tools today put the egg before the chicken requiring that you pay/setup/configure yourself into the "infrastructure to distribute and authenticate encryption keys" before you can encrypt anything by default, therefore the overwhelming default is that nothing is encrypted - a big fail. In this light OTR does it right - 100% everything encrypted by default after first install of chat clients supporting it, by default. If you are one of the few that wants to raise the bar on the security from there, then you can easily check signatures out of band or use a third party authenticator - but that is secondary and and very easy to do given everyone is using it already by default. PGP/SSL does it the hard/wrong way (IMO): Forces everyone into "too complicated for the average person"/$$$ solutions even before you can start encrypting (without scary browser warnings etc). End result: Nobody encrypts, an especially glaring failure in the case of email. SSL is mostly for commercial orientated websites - check stats for vast majority of websites vs those that support SSL. Self signed certs are a dirst word
Security experts will be growling "MITM", "we neeeed third party authentication", "good security is hard to do", "MITM, again", but again it is egg before the chicken missing the forest for the trees. Top priority Job #1 is get everything encrypted all the time. Job #2 you can start worrying about how to check signatures on your certs out of band, raise the visual cues that your session is both encrypted and you have taken the extra time or used a third party to authenticate the certs signatires. If the whistleblower Snowden has taught us nothing else, it is that if you do bother to encrypt whilst nobody else is doing it then your communications are automatically being targeted for extra monitoring. Oh, and if you do happen to visit some website over https that one agency or other happens to have a grudge against or wishes to perform some industrial espionage on, then your also MITM'ed.
Security tools are still in the dark ages and do not cater to humans. No amount of political hot air is going to fix that...
Major General Smedley Butler not only told it how it is, and gave more than a few examples to explain his point - all of which you seem to have ignored. The fact that you call his assessment of his lifelong job "leftist fringe politics" only reflects on how deep and far you have your head buried in la la propaganda land. A General like Smedley Butler would have no place for you on his battlefield you would only be a danger to yourself and others. You deserve to stay where you already are - in the war propaganda department, where convincing others of an alternative la la reality is easier if you believe in it yourself.
You are right - how do we change the situation? I think "Off The Record" (OTR) is a step in the right direction and possible example to learn from. It just works out of the box for a lot of chat clients zero configuration needed providing 100% encrypted chat sessions by default for all users that use those chat clients that ship with it enabled by default. A security "professional" will be quick to sprout that it is open to MITM blah blah blah but fail to recognize that 100% adoption always on encryption is achieved - the hard part. From there it is a small extra step for those that could be bothered to check fingerprints out of band, or even add extra services that help the clueless/not interested do that part automatically. It is like security professionals cant get past the "it is not flawless" stage... and so we are all stuck with nothing or something very good, that nobody else uses or can interact with (PGP as one of many examples).
Not if the majority or dare I say everyone raises the red flag, we dont.
Recommend switching away from windows, a few will do so and a lot more will just not bother - and so the pool of people using Tor (and other encryption privacy "enhancing" services) shrinks just a little bit more. If the whistleblower Snowden revelations have taught us nothing else, it is that if you are one of the few that use encryption/VPN/privacy enhancing solutions then you attract extra unwanted attention to yourself. For everyone to enjoy privacy, security professionals need to be coding solutions and encouraging more people, including Windows users, to adopt always on default encryption - not the opposite. Are they really that clueless?
Wonder if they would have got picked up so fast if they used anon search engines like startpage.com or duckduckgo.com?
Taking you at your word...
You should not, but no it is not 33% of 7 networks from that example - that is for all whitespace, radio etc etc. There is room for much more than 7 private networks within 33% of all TV whitespace, obviously. See UNESCO report for details.
When the US criticized him over freedom of the press, he didn't argue about that point at all. He just did a typical Marxist move and attacked the US over its wars, Guantanamo, and drone strikes, never addressing the issue at all.
Your right in that part of the news item quoting him he does address the accusations. The UNESCO report does however, and they are independent and take it pretty seriously being a well respected organization.
If your happy with the mass media system we in "the west" have now for all our (fox) news shaping public debate and political discourse on any and every issue, then fair enough. I am more on the side that others are mentioning in this thread - corporate media serves corporate interests which conflict with societies interests, and so our society continues its slipper slide down. Any move by any country anywhere that tries to tackle this issue is of interest and worth a bit more consideration than just repeating what mass media has to say on the issue IMO. It appears you do not agree - no problem carry on.
+1 interesting video, thanks. Note he also says "our emails" - considering that there is a good chance most at black hat are working or informing for some three letter agency or another, this could also be the truth. They claim they cannot read their own (NSA/FBI) internal emails... can't be watching the watchers.
"The XKeyscore program also allows an analyst to learn the IP addresses of every person who visits any website the analyst specifies..."
lucky you kan reed, I spose :). Your right all up bad rushed post. Apologies...
woops sorry double post... will correct below.
/sacasm