Wow, really, are you honestly saying that you think that without copyright programmers and animators would not be able to find work? Can you at least make an argument for that? Include some sort of metric of how much copyright would be required.
I can't speak for animators, but I'm a programmer.. Most every company I have ever worked for has completely ignored copyright. How is this possible? Because software is functional. It has intrinsic value because it helps you get work done that would otherwise be drudgery.. or in the case of accounting, outright impractical. Almost every programmer is hired to maintain software that is never distributed outside the company that it is developed in. Copyright has nothing to do with their work.
So what of it? There's a vast number of activities that the market does not value sufficiently to pay a living wage. There can only be so many professional astronomers, opera singers and surfers.
Sigh. First you have to agree to a few fundamental truths.
1. Everything is "worth" what its buyer is willing to pay for it. 2. You are not entitled to be paid for every little bit of "labor" you do.. first you have to find a buyer. 3. The second-hand market is legitimate and yet the exact same "robs someone" argument applies.
And I'd ask you to consider *my* rights with at least equal consideration. The artist's intellectual property rights infringe on my physical property rights. Why does he win? If his right to swing his fist means I have to give up my right to not be hit, why should I honor his right?
No, this is silly. You can't have an inherit rights argument over copyright, because it simply isn't his right to control his work.. it's a law we made up to encourage a certain socioeconomic behavior. So if you're going to have an argument about copyright, you have to talk about what people actually do. Right now, people have very little respect for copyright and make copies in violation of copyright law.. Right now, artists continue to make works. Clearly, copyright is not required to encourage these artists to make their works. And if that doesn't follow, it at least follows that copyright restrictions on small scale personal copying are not required to encourage artists to make their works.
That's certainly true. In order for me to be a really good diamond thief I'd have to weigh the threat my freedom if I was caught. If the likelihood of being caught was incredibly low or the penalties were lower, it'd be a heck of a lot of fun.
If I walk off with someone's handbag, that handbag is gone. The fact is, with a digital copy, there's no real life analogy. If I go up to someone's handbag, make an exact copy of it, and walk off with the copy, the owner of the handbag probably won't care (nor would I have done anything illegal anyway).
Hehe, what a terrible example. Lemme list the crimes:
1. Counterfeiting of bank notes. 2. Counterfeiting of government issued identification. 3. Counterfeiting of merchandise. 4. Invasion of privacy.
I get what you're trying to say but, boy, do you need to work on how you say it.
In fact, the governments should have web servers so that its citizens can go download the now-public-domain things for free, in open or non-proprietary formats.
Agreed. We'll call them "libraries".. although you can also get works that are still under copyright from libraries.
It's really simple. If you go to the police and say "I witnessed a man download a movie!!!" and they don't send the boys in blue out to slap the cuffs on him, it aint illegal.
I watched the video when it was posted dude.. it's over 3 years old. This stuff might be new to you but it's all the same old bullshit to the rest of us.
It's about Rutan getting money out of investors so he can play with his planes.
Given away by strange, crop circle-like formations seen from the air, a huge prehistoric ceremonial complex discovered in southern England has taken archaeologists by surprise.
1. TED Talk == 99% bullshit. 2. Burt Rutan == 99% bullshit. 3. Virgin Galactic == schedule slips and creeping featurism.. 4. The X-Prize, he stole it.
It has been almost 5 years.. SpaceShipTwo hasn't even been drop tested. Virgin Galactic is quickly approaching "bad investment" status. No paying customer has flown in a sub-orbital vehicle. Passengers are asking for the booking fees back. This is not what the X-Prize was for.
And all this for a vehicle that has worse performance than the X-15.. which was retired in 1968.
That's entirely my point.. sheesh. Americans think Iran is an Arab country. Americans are afraid of Arabs. So when the Faux News says "Iran is working on nukes, let's invade!!" it's an easy sell to the ignorant viewers.
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Wow, really, are you honestly saying that you think that without copyright programmers and animators would not be able to find work? Can you at least make an argument for that? Include some sort of metric of how much copyright would be required.
I can't speak for animators, but I'm a programmer.. Most every company I have ever worked for has completely ignored copyright. How is this possible? Because software is functional. It has intrinsic value because it helps you get work done that would otherwise be drudgery.. or in the case of accounting, outright impractical. Almost every programmer is hired to maintain software that is never distributed outside the company that it is developed in. Copyright has nothing to do with their work.
So what of it? There's a vast number of activities that the market does not value sufficiently to pay a living wage. There can only be so many professional astronomers, opera singers and surfers.
No-one is this dumb, but in the interest of education, it's called a tort.
Wait, sorry, you're complaining that people are using the wrong word? That they're making a false analogy?
Gee, maybe you should stop using the word piracy then. Idiot.
Sigh. First you have to agree to a few fundamental truths.
1. Everything is "worth" what its buyer is willing to pay for it.
2. You are not entitled to be paid for every little bit of "labor" you do.. first you have to find a buyer.
3. The second-hand market is legitimate and yet the exact same "robs someone" argument applies.
And I'd ask you to consider *my* rights with at least equal consideration. The artist's intellectual property rights infringe on my physical property rights. Why does he win? If his right to swing his fist means I have to give up my right to not be hit, why should I honor his right?
No, this is silly. You can't have an inherit rights argument over copyright, because it simply isn't his right to control his work.. it's a law we made up to encourage a certain socioeconomic behavior. So if you're going to have an argument about copyright, you have to talk about what people actually do. Right now, people have very little respect for copyright and make copies in violation of copyright law.. Right now, artists continue to make works. Clearly, copyright is not required to encourage these artists to make their works. And if that doesn't follow, it at least follows that copyright restrictions on small scale personal copying are not required to encourage artists to make their works.
That's certainly true. In order for me to be a really good diamond thief I'd have to weigh the threat my freedom if I was caught. If the likelihood of being caught was incredibly low or the penalties were lower, it'd be a heck of a lot of fun.
My personal thoughts are the best way to counter piracy is to make people like you.
Huh? They are trying to make us be like them. :)
The article itself is pretty unbiased one way or the other.
If I walk off with someone's handbag, that handbag is gone. The fact is, with a digital copy, there's no real life analogy. If I go up to someone's handbag, make an exact copy of it, and walk off with the copy, the owner of the handbag probably won't care (nor would I have done anything illegal anyway).
Hehe, what a terrible example. Lemme list the crimes:
1. Counterfeiting of bank notes.
2. Counterfeiting of government issued identification.
3. Counterfeiting of merchandise.
4. Invasion of privacy.
I get what you're trying to say but, boy, do you need to work on how you say it.
In fact, the governments should have web servers so that its citizens can go download the now-public-domain things for free, in open or non-proprietary formats.
Agreed. We'll call them "libraries".. although you can also get works that are still under copyright from libraries.
Hehe, see the post directly above yours.
Propaganda doesn't have to make sense.. most of the time it doesn't.
piracy is a name given to steal inherit immutable social rights.
Like the right to not be killed and pillaged on the high seas?
Making an anti-copyright rant without even bothering to use non-inflammatory terminology is a pretty lame troll.
Please troll better.
because the punishment doesn't even come close to the crime.
There's that word again. There was no crime. There is no crime.
haha.. never assign to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.
It's really simple. If you go to the police and say "I witnessed a man download a movie!!!" and they don't send the boys in blue out to slap the cuffs on him, it aint illegal.
It's not even "illegal".. but that doesn't stop them from lying about it.
hehe.. you're on crack.. seriously. Do you not know the difference between suborbital and orbital? Rutan isn't shaping shit.. 'cept maybe his own ego.
Bigelow has flown more impressive hardware.
I watched the video when it was posted dude.. it's over 3 years old. This stuff might be new to you but it's all the same old bullshit to the rest of us.
It's about Rutan getting money out of investors so he can play with his planes.
Given away by strange, crop circle-like formations seen from the air, a huge prehistoric ceremonial complex discovered in southern England has taken archaeologists by surprise.
Umm.. Crop marks, not crop circles.
1. TED Talk == 99% bullshit.
2. Burt Rutan == 99% bullshit.
3. Virgin Galactic == schedule slips and creeping featurism..
4. The X-Prize, he stole it.
It has been almost 5 years.. SpaceShipTwo hasn't even been drop tested. Virgin Galactic is quickly approaching "bad investment" status. No paying customer has flown in a sub-orbital vehicle. Passengers are asking for the booking fees back. This is not what the X-Prize was for.
And all this for a vehicle that has worse performance than the X-15.. which was retired in 1968.
I'd rather a joy flight in a MIG.
That's sexual harassment. And no, it doesn't matter if you work in the fashion industry.
More likely the game will refuse to move your virtual arm/leg just as your disabled body does.
In other words: Microsoft's Natal Adds Insult To Injury.
No.. I have the damn thing installed. The problem is that it locks up and kills my browser. Aka, the Java bug.
Ya.. if a website uses quicktime, I close it. Worst video player ever. Windows Media Player works better.. and that's saying something.
That's entirely my point.. sheesh. Americans think Iran is an Arab country. Americans are afraid of Arabs. So when the Faux News says "Iran is working on nukes, let's invade!!" it's an easy sell to the ignorant viewers.