I'm just calling out Ford for becoming an un-American manufacturer. The outside shape is very much like a bland saltine cracker, with the engine following suit by being some poky I-4 meant for some Third World country. To distract people from this unholy combination, Ford decides to slap on tons of interior electronics. Even the larger cars can be made fuel efficient, affordable, and provide the American engine growl under the hood that you won't get with some European golfcart.
Fuel efficiency is hardly an argument to make when one has to cut corners and put distractions in where one cut too close with golfcart designs like Ford's. Keep the design for US cars to US standards, not to some backwater that drags down the US.
Chrysler on the other hand, Gets It. GM does as well, aside from their Buick division.
Given that Ford's newer platforms look more like the Eurotrash seen elsewhere in the world - as opposed to US sized and powered platforms such as Panther/Exxx vans - it is a distraction. What they bring to the table looks like something you'd see used as a part of a carbomb.
How about 6 & 8 cylinder vehicles that don't require tuning or exotics, at affordable price points? Yes, that means bringing back behemoths like the Crown Vic while ripping the turbochargers out of every single car and truck outside of the high end. It doesn't matter that the interface is open when it is connected to a shitty 4-banger that makes the thing look like a golfcart with satnav.
It isn't The Godfather, but you try wording it in a way that doesn't invite someone to twist the words around.
Adverse threat is defined as the termination of service without the ability to rejoin. Not only are they not vaccinated, these people will have conditions that go undiagnosed, untreated or badly treated due to the lack of preventive medical attention. Congratulations, you just helped make this person's long term health go from bad to worse, if not fatal.
The best thing that the doctor can do is treat them in spite of the refusals.
The problem is that they no longer receive care. These people are then causing other problems due to their general lack of care and lower quality of care than what would be provided by the aforementioned doctor.
The problem is that such choice is made under duress.
Foxconn is like a slavemaster that beats you less; they still beat you like a slavemaster, but it is with precision instruments and your chains are of the highest quality. Should you wish to object, you get shot and disappeared by the government.
If they really were free, people wouldn't have any trouble speaking about Foxconn without anonymity.
The only thing that will change is that you're getting a dedicated person. You'll still get someone that's likely to be hired on a disposable basis as opposed to someone that is treated like a long-term investment.
Seen it with the folks that have repaired my Thinkpads, and the contractors had very little respect for the equipment that they were repairing. The only worse fate is to send the machine in for depot service, where things are likely to be broken as much as they are fixed.
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised when they were hired based on multiple parties distrusting them. I won't be surprised if this is the case with HP.
Uh you did know that china had been communist for 41 years prior to tianamen square? Right?
While they were communist before Tiananmen, the massacre demonstrated that China was not interested in any large scale of freedom. The most that they were interested in was courting multinationals and supplying a pliant labor pool that was/is highly resistant to upward wage pressures and worker-side freedoms.
The chinese people haven't given up and the china of 2012 is better than the china of 1989. There is more civil society in china now than there was 20 years ago. China still has a long way to go but things have changed. Do you even think 20 years ago we would have even heard about what was going on in these factories???
The working age population of 2012 is less aspirant of freedom than the working age population of 1989. All they know is that some people tried to topple the government for something called liberty, and that saying otherwise means a lifetime of deeper pain and slavery.
By aiding and abetting this country, it reduces freedom in other countries as long as you're not a business. That is a Very Bad Thing.
Cutting off china won't make china free, it will just make it isolated like we did with North Korea and Cuba. Embargoing Cuba has worked out great...oh wait Fidel Castro is still in power.
Neither country has become a threat to the US as a result.
The only involvement that the US should have with China is one that is harmful to China and beneficial to US citizens.
1989 was about the last time China could have turned things around. Now you have an entire generation of people used to slavery and opposed to freedom that are beyond repair.
The US would most certainly survive. China would find itself back in familiar territory, courtesy of a government collapse.
We're not harming ourselves, but you sure like to think that way. This event is one more reason to send them into internal turmoil, such that it causes their government to be toppled. You underestimate the US and overestimate China in very treasonous ways.
If they're making an offer that cannot be refused without an adverse threat, such as this one, it's not voluntary. Not only has the doctor done harm by removing them from their practice, they are in a worse situation where the terminated party has fewer and lower quality options (if any).
"In light of a series of reports that have emerged over the years, one of many dark stories of suicide now points at one of the lesser-known but more unsavory aspects of Foxconn's much-criticized labor practices: with the help of schools and government officials, the company runs a massive internship program built not on voluntary education but on 'compelled' factory work for teenage students. According to Ross Perlin, author of Intern Nation
Which is also called slavery.
This is yet another reason why we shouldnt be manufacturing in hellholes that will bend over backwards for business, but snap the backs of the people that work for them (should they ask for more than the company approved allotment of freedom).
Perhaps US & EU manufacturing isn't a bad idea after all.
The first thing the US (and other First World nations) should be doing is getting tougher on China instead of being any bit friendly to them in commerce.
Those Foxconn employees chose to work there because, to them, it's much better than working in the alternative business, namely, very dirty and very poor 4th world level farming. If big companies all around started refusing to work with Foxconn, it'd shrink, laying all that people off, back to the farms, to die of diseases they currently don't. So, even if the current situation is currently "bad" (from our perspective), the alternative is worse.
That's like saying that your slavemaster beats you less than someone else's. You're still a slave, you're still getting beaten, and the only difference is that you get shiny golden shackles, get beaten with precision instruments, or get executed in some van if you think about raising freedom.
The better idea is to start with good conditions in the first place. Then make sure those good conditions become a common practice. That's how you skip the evils of slavery. What China is figuring out is how to keep the slavery going so that your situation never happens; so far, they've been successful at making sure economic development doesn't result in freedoms for those that are not businesses. The totalitarian model that China gives freedom for businesses, but none for workers - for giving workers the requisite freedom would threaten business efficiency.
Thats not for Apple to decide. A company will (AND SHOULD!!!) always find the most cost-effective (yet legal) way to meet an end (short of compromising design or manufacturing goals). Thats the responsibility the company has to its shareholders.
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Environmentalism only stops the many from getting the car they truly want.
What's with all those high-powered cars that are sitting in UK/European garages that rot, because their owner wasn't rich enough for their power?
I'm just calling out Ford for becoming an un-American manufacturer. The outside shape is very much like a bland saltine cracker, with the engine following suit by being some poky I-4 meant for some Third World country. To distract people from this unholy combination, Ford decides to slap on tons of interior electronics. Even the larger cars can be made fuel efficient, affordable, and provide the American engine growl under the hood that you won't get with some European golfcart.
Fuel efficiency is hardly an argument to make when one has to cut corners and put distractions in where one cut too close with golfcart designs like Ford's. Keep the design for US cars to US standards, not to some backwater that drags down the US.
Chrysler on the other hand, Gets It. GM does as well, aside from their Buick division.
Perhaps your spouse is trying to tell you something.
Given that Ford's newer platforms look more like the Eurotrash seen elsewhere in the world - as opposed to US sized and powered platforms such as Panther/Exxx vans - it is a distraction. What they bring to the table looks like something you'd see used as a part of a carbomb.
How about 6 & 8 cylinder vehicles that don't require tuning or exotics, at affordable price points? Yes, that means bringing back behemoths like the Crown Vic while ripping the turbochargers out of every single car and truck outside of the high end. It doesn't matter that the interface is open when it is connected to a shitty 4-banger that makes the thing look like a golfcart with satnav.
It isn't The Godfather, but you try wording it in a way that doesn't invite someone to twist the words around.
Adverse threat is defined as the termination of service without the ability to rejoin. Not only are they not vaccinated, these people will have conditions that go undiagnosed, untreated or badly treated due to the lack of preventive medical attention. Congratulations, you just helped make this person's long term health go from bad to worse, if not fatal.
The best thing that the doctor can do is treat them in spite of the refusals.
The problem is that they no longer receive care. These people are then causing other problems due to their general lack of care and lower quality of care than what would be provided by the aforementioned doctor.
Honda, Toyota and Nissan: Golfcarts assembled in USA from foreign and domestic parts, in states with worker hostile laws
They don't have any other options since the private sector thinks that anything but a supplicant labor pool is too generous.
Why not make it so that the job seeker gets to choose the employer, and the employer can't refuse them? Same bargain, just with the tables turned.
The problem is that such choice is made under duress.
Foxconn is like a slavemaster that beats you less; they still beat you like a slavemaster, but it is with precision instruments and your chains are of the highest quality. Should you wish to object, you get shot and disappeared by the government.
If they really were free, people wouldn't have any trouble speaking about Foxconn without anonymity.
The only thing that will change is that you're getting a dedicated person. You'll still get someone that's likely to be hired on a disposable basis as opposed to someone that is treated like a long-term investment.
Seen it with the folks that have repaired my Thinkpads, and the contractors had very little respect for the equipment that they were repairing. The only worse fate is to send the machine in for depot service, where things are likely to be broken as much as they are fixed.
Then again, I shouldn't be surprised when they were hired based on multiple parties distrusting them. I won't be surprised if this is the case with HP.
Uh you did know that china had been communist for 41 years prior to tianamen square? Right?
While they were communist before Tiananmen, the massacre demonstrated that China was not interested in any large scale of freedom. The most that they were interested in was courting multinationals and supplying a pliant labor pool that was/is highly resistant to upward wage pressures and worker-side freedoms.
The chinese people haven't given up and the china of 2012 is better than the china of 1989. There is more civil society
in china now than there was 20 years ago. China still has a long way to go but things have changed. Do you even think
20 years ago we would have even heard about what was going on in these factories???
The working age population of 2012 is less aspirant of freedom than the working age population of 1989. All they know is that some people tried to topple the government for something called liberty, and that saying otherwise means a lifetime of deeper pain and slavery.
By aiding and abetting this country, it reduces freedom in other countries as long as you're not a business. That is a Very Bad Thing.
Cutting off china won't make china free, it will just make it isolated like we did with North Korea and Cuba.
Embargoing Cuba has worked out great...oh wait Fidel Castro is still in power.
Neither country has become a threat to the US as a result.
The only involvement that the US should have with China is one that is harmful to China and beneficial to US citizens.
1989 was about the last time China could have turned things around. Now you have an entire generation of people used to slavery and opposed to freedom that are beyond repair.
That is when the US flexes its military muscle, resulting in the countries making a hasty retreat back to the dollar.
The US would most certainly survive. China would find itself back in familiar territory, courtesy of a government collapse.
We're not harming ourselves, but you sure like to think that way. This event is one more reason to send them into internal turmoil, such that it causes their government to be toppled. You underestimate the US and overestimate China in very treasonous ways.
If they're making an offer that cannot be refused without an adverse threat, such as this one, it's not voluntary. Not only has the doctor done harm by removing them from their practice, they are in a worse situation where the terminated party has fewer and lower quality options (if any).
But then you jump off into the company-approved safety net. Then you get suicided.
"In light of a series of reports that have emerged over the years, one of many dark stories of suicide now points at one of the lesser-known but more unsavory aspects of Foxconn's much-criticized labor practices: with the help of schools and government officials, the company runs a massive internship program built not on voluntary education but on 'compelled' factory work for teenage students. According to Ross Perlin, author of Intern Nation
Which is also called slavery.
This is yet another reason why we shouldnt be manufacturing in hellholes that will bend over backwards for business, but snap the backs of the people that work for them (should they ask for more than the company approved allotment of freedom).
Perhaps US & EU manufacturing isn't a bad idea after all.
Any possibility for information to be handed over to them is always worth the low odds.
The first thing the US (and other First World nations) should be doing is getting tougher on China instead of being any bit friendly to them in commerce.
While there is no question about getting rid of the obvious stuff, why not go one step further and get rid of SA from reddit?
Then laugh at them as they get silenced from any further measures.
Ding! Your data(and money) is now free to move about the country.
If this was a real reveal, there'd be no blacked out information.
The British did it to Hong Kong and things are better than China.
Those Foxconn employees chose to work there because, to them, it's much better than working in the alternative business, namely, very dirty and very poor 4th world level farming. If big companies all around started refusing to work with Foxconn, it'd shrink, laying all that people off, back to the farms, to die of diseases they currently don't. So, even if the current situation is currently "bad" (from our perspective), the alternative is worse.
That's like saying that your slavemaster beats you less than someone else's. You're still a slave, you're still getting beaten, and the only difference is that you get shiny golden shackles, get beaten with precision instruments, or get executed in some van if you think about raising freedom.
The better idea is to start with good conditions in the first place. Then make sure those good conditions become a common practice. That's how you skip the evils of slavery. What China is figuring out is how to keep the slavery going so that your situation never happens; so far, they've been successful at making sure economic development doesn't result in freedoms for those that are not businesses. The totalitarian model that China gives freedom for businesses, but none for workers - for giving workers the requisite freedom would threaten business efficiency.
Thats not for Apple to decide. A company will (AND SHOULD!!!) always find the most cost-effective (yet legal) way to meet an end (short of compromising design or manufacturing goals). Thats the responsibility the company has to its shareholders.
Pure and textbook sociopathy.