Actually you have the answer within your own post. As you said "If they've removed it with no intention of making it available again". According to the spec "If the server does not know, or has no facility to determine, whether or not the condition is permanent, the status code 404 (Not Found) SHOULD be used instead." It is quite possible that the page was only taken down temporarily, with the intent to restore it on the official disclosure date. So use of code 410 which would be in violation of the spec, and 404 the proper reply code.
Aside from being a racist fucktard, your attemted logic is invalid.
How are individual genetic differences between people of the same race as significant as the differences between people of different races?
Logical fallacy. A genuine case of Begging The Question. Your question presumes that some arbitrary genetic difference *are* magically more significant. Which is in effect the very point you were attempting to argue in the first place. You assume that a difference in the gene for skin pigment (or whatever) is somehow more significant than the gene for baldness or whatever else, in order to prove your basis for racism. Completely circular logic.
My agenda is the promotion of traditional societies based on ancestral heritage
Completely baseless.
In the long term we all trace back to the same ancestral heritage. In the short term (white) Alaskan-Americans and (white) Hawaiian-Americans have distinct culture and heritage.
You are handwaving at a completely arbitrary and completely baseless "medium term" heritage, and one where in fact your imagined separation physically does not exist. The populations have always been connected and blended. The darkest population of south Africa intermarrying with the population of mid-Africa, which intermarried with the population of north Africa, which intermarried with the population of the Mid East. In one direction from the Mid East intermarrying with the population of India and from there intermarrying out to east Asia, and in the other direction from the Mid East intermarrying up through Turkey and Greece and Italy and Germany to England and Norway.
You're pointing at the water in the Atlantic Ocean and saying that it shouldn't mix with the water from the Pacific ocean, and you are ignorant or ignoring of the fact that the water is already continuously connected and already continuously blended between them. Just as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are continuous and connected and blended, human "races" are a continuously blended population pool. There physically is no division, and there never has been.
The gene pool is continuous and connected. Genes have always been diffusing through that single pool. Diffusing across Africa. Diffusing between north-east Africa and the Mid East. Diffusing from the Mid East and southern Europe. Diffusing across Europe up to the most Nordic reaches.
Any claim of "races" is like drawing a line between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. It is a purely artificial line, it is a purely arbitrary line, a purely non-physical line, is is a line which ocean water is fully connected and freely and continuously diffuses across, a line which populations are continuously connected and genes freely and continuously diffuses across.
Advances in technology - ships and cars and planes - have merely increased the speed of diffusion.
>From your other reply I conclude that you have a racist agenda I do not promote racial supremacy, if that is what you are implying.
He said you had a racist agenda, and implied you are a racist.
Well golly gee whiz, you are such a highly evolved species of racist. He calls you out as a racist and you effectively say yeah I'm a racist but I'm not a supremacist. Snicker.
You just want to ship the niggers back to Africa. And I guess ship all the redheads back to Ireland.
LOL. Fucktard racist.
Yeah, I personally insulted you. But I also demonstrated that your logic was wrong. So don't even attempt to play the "Attack me instead of the argument I make" persecuted victim line. If you say 2+2=5, you are still wrong even if I call you ugly while I demonstrate that it is wrong.
Bitching that Pacific Ocean water is mixing with and contaminating Atlantic Ocean water is stupid. The fact that you don't say Atlantic ocean water is "supreme" is irrelevant and is just as stupid. The fact that equally want to "protect the traditional heritage" of Pacific Ocean water from mixing with and
The test would immediately give a 100% result of it as non-human DNA. One of the reasons for that is the fact that humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes whereas chimps and other primates have 24 pairs. We didn't "lose" a chromosome - one strand of DNA got glued on to the end of one of the other strands of DNA, so all of the same genetic information is still there.
If your GPS time was off by even one second, your position would be off by about 300km -- give or take depending on satellite geometry -- there's no way to separate the two.
Sure there is. The GPS clock system is independent of our common business-day clock. GPS does not incorporate time zones, does not incorporate daylight savings time adjustments, does not incorporate leap years or leap days or leap seconds or anything else. It is not tied to any earth time system. The GPS network simply counts its own seconds, independent of our earthly wall-clock time conventions.
The GPS unit likely has an independent clock circuit so that you can have a clock even when you are not receiving any GPS signals. And if it is running off of satellite time, it would have to have some stored translation factor to convert the satellite time to an earth-clock time, to account for time zones and daylight savings time and other adjustments, and to account for the fact that the satellite time *does* drift out of sync with official earth time systems. In fact due to leap seconds and whatnot, GPS time has drifted 14 seconds out of sync with GMT / UTC Coordinated Universal Time.
The fact that it was even physically possible for him to manually set the clock proves that the satellite time was not being directly displayed on the clock, that there is either an independent internal clock and/or some stored translation factor to convert the GPS network's internal clock system into whatever "common local time" you want displayed on the user-clock. None of this would would be used in the GPS position calculations.
Ah, specifically wild eggs. That makes a bit more sense now. I was trying to figure out why the hell it would be illegal to collect eggs from the supermarket or other common commercial sources. Chuckle.
Yes, there are some issues where Obama sucks ass and I'm pissed as hell, like voting for Telecom immunity and the rest of the warrantless domestic spying expansion. But any area were Obama is bad, McCain is fucking worse. Like yeah... Obama is too old and out of touch with technology... so lets have McCain for president instead.
Egg collectors in the UK (an illegal activity in this country)
Huh??? Someone please enlighten me. Is "egg collector" some odd euphemism I've never come across before, or does the UK actually have totally bizarre and pointless law against collecting eggs??
The button is that size so visually impaired people can click it. The button is that size so blind people can click it. The button is that size so deaf people can click it. The button is that size so dead people can click it.
Yes, I was careful to say "largely" unaltered and uncontaminated. Not just because of impact bombardment, I also had cosmic ray bombardment in mind. A significant impact would melt some rocks in the immediate vicinity, but in general it would only contaminate the surface of most rocks. So you test the rock interiors, and rocks which have been melted like that will clearly test out differently and can be rejected. I think cosmic ray bombardment is the more significant issue to be concerned with, but with care the issue can be accounted for or avoided.
So "largely an unaltered and uncontaminated record" means there *is* some issue about alteration/contamination, but that it is a small enough issue to gloss over in answering his particular post.
Getting deep moon rocks, as you suggest, would be indeed be better and would provide more and better results. But we're doing pretty well with what we have.
Even though the surface of earth changes, but I dont thing the stuff (rocks etc) just disappear. They still remain on earth. So, why can't they be used to find anything about the universe?
Mainly because bits of the surface are constantly being subducted into the core of the earth and melting into the general magma soup. The entire surface is also constantly subjected to erosion and weathering, which breaks rock down both physically and chemically. They are slow processes, but we're talking about ~4.5 billion years. That is enough time for pretty well the entire surface of the earth to have been destroyed and reformed several times over.
A sample from the moon is largely an unaltered and uncontaminated record from the moment it first solidified as rock.
Don't forget PenisLand.net where "Your pen is our business", and MolestationNursery.com which unfortunately has relocated to MoleRIVERnursery.com (they grow flowers). But my favorite is definitely SpeedoFart.com, otherwise known as Speed Of Art.
I have a bit of expertise on some of the other issues you two were discussing, and maybe I'll get into some of that later, but first I want to see how this issue goes.
If you go to the arctic or antarctic and dig in the snow, you can see visible yearly layers. In the summer the surface bakes out under the sun for 6 months changing its texture, and a layer of dust and pollen from across the globe settles out of the atmosphere. You can count down the layers to any given year and find traces of ash from any given volcano in history. Dig down 1929 layers - 1929 years ago - to the layer for 79 A.D. - and you'll find ash from Mt Vesuviusm the famous eruption that destroyed Pompeii. If you want to get fancy you can measure minute trace levels of lead in the layers. Based on lead levels you can you can see lead levels go up in the 1920's when we started using leaded gasoline, and you can see lead levels go down in the 1970's and 80's when we phased out leaded gasoline. But more interesting if you dig down counting about 5300 layers down - counting about 5300 years ago - you can actually detect the beginning of the bronze age around 3300 B.C. In the bronze age the mining and smelting of ore released lead smoke and dust into the atmosphere, more than 5300 layers down the snowpack has no trace lead contamination, from that point on it does have faint traces of lead contamination. The yearly layers in the snow are visible and countable, and they verifiably track all of history and beyond.
Well, the layers down stop 5300 layers down. They keep going. In the arctic icepack there are about 123,000 layers. In the antarctic there are about 174,000 layers. All the way down you have yearly summer layers with the traces of pollen and dust. All the way down you have occasional layers of volcanic ash, laying out a history of 174,000 years routine pattern of occasional volcanic eruptions.
There is no sane way that the earth is less than 174,000 year ago. It is also not possible there was a literal global flood, at least not within the last 174,000 years anyway. Such a flood would have melted any underlying layers, and even if it didn't melt all of the underlying layers, it still would have left a huge and obvious mark behind at that point.
If that doesn't punch a hole in your YEC model of history, then I doubt even a video taped history of evolution would make a dent.
>evidence for [] evolution and it's conclusive. Seriously: name them.
The Foraminifera fossil record.
Most of the fossil record is spotty because it is insanely rare and completely random for an animal to leave a fossil behind, and even if they do it is insanely rare and completely random for anyone to find and record it. HOWEVER...
Foraminifera are tiny animals that live in the ocean by the trillions. Millions of them dying every day, continuously raining down on the sea floor. They have mineral skeletons called tests. These tests leave ideal fossils is the deep cold dark inert sediment slowly and steadily accumulating on the sea floor.
In the 1970's we started developing new deep sea drilling technology to search for oil. And this exploration started bringing up long sediment drill core samples. And these sediment cores were loaded with these tests by the millions, in the perfectly layered sediment. An effectively limitless supply of perfectly layered fossils. A perfectly continuous and complete fossil record covering thousands of species and spanning over a hundred million years.
You can trace diverse currently living species back to their common ancestor. Not merely a complete sequence of transitional-form species, but a hyper-continuous record of transitional forms along each speciation event. Scientists are no longer studying whether evolution is true or not - that question was pretty well resolved some hundred years ago or so. No, today scientists are studying exactly how long each speciation event took, studying in detail exactly how speciation occurs, and studying fascinating issues such as how and why the rate of speciation increases after a mass extinction event.
There are entire libraries filled with other evidence conclusively establishing evolution is true, but the Foraminifera example alone is enough to establish the point that YES, the evidence is conclusive. Much of the fossil record is patchy, but the fossil record for a significant chunk of the tree of life is as perfect and complete and irrefutable as one could possibly ask for.
Science teachers shouldn't be wasting so much valuable classroom time on teaching about carbon and oxygen and other boring stuff, kids would find lessons on ghosts much more interesting.
And I'm sure your son will spend a lot more time looking at his science textbook when it has pictures of half-naked mermaids in it.
The history of this bill and the motivations of the people involved are well documented. The prototype for this bill came from the Discovery Institute, primary home of the fundie anti-science ID movement. Academic_Freedom_bills
The intended purpose of the bill is to aid this sort of Intelligent Design textbook into science class. To introduce bogo-science into the classroom discrediting evolution, to promote Biblical Creationism as the implied remaining alternative to evolution.
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Actually you have the answer within your own post. As you said "If they've removed it with no intention of making it available again". According to the spec "If the server does not know, or has no facility to determine, whether or not the condition is permanent, the status code 404 (Not Found) SHOULD be used instead." It is quite possible that the page was only taken down temporarily, with the intent to restore it on the official disclosure date. So use of code 410 which would be in violation of the spec, and 404 the proper reply code.
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In Soviet Windows, user-friendly GUIs have exploits.
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Aside from being a racist fucktard, your attemted logic is invalid.
How are individual genetic differences between people of the same race as significant as the differences between people of different races?
Logical fallacy. A genuine case of Begging The Question.
Your question presumes that some arbitrary genetic difference *are* magically more significant. Which is in effect the very point you were attempting to argue in the first place. You assume that a difference in the gene for skin pigment (or whatever) is somehow more significant than the gene for baldness or whatever else, in order to prove your basis for racism. Completely circular logic.
My agenda is the promotion of traditional societies based on ancestral heritage
Completely baseless.
In the long term we all trace back to the same ancestral heritage.
In the short term (white) Alaskan-Americans and (white) Hawaiian-Americans have distinct culture and heritage.
You are handwaving at a completely arbitrary and completely baseless "medium term" heritage, and one where in fact your imagined separation physically does not exist. The populations have always been connected and blended. The darkest population of south Africa intermarrying with the population of mid-Africa, which intermarried with the population of north Africa, which intermarried with the population of the Mid East. In one direction from the Mid East intermarrying with the population of India and from there intermarrying out to east Asia, and in the other direction from the Mid East intermarrying up through Turkey and Greece and Italy and Germany to England and Norway.
You're pointing at the water in the Atlantic Ocean and saying that it shouldn't mix with the water from the Pacific ocean, and you are ignorant or ignoring of the fact that the water is already continuously connected and already continuously blended between them. Just as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are continuous and connected and blended, human "races" are a continuously blended population pool. There physically is no division, and there never has been.
The gene pool is continuous and connected. Genes have always been diffusing through that single pool. Diffusing across Africa. Diffusing between north-east Africa and the Mid East. Diffusing from the Mid East and southern Europe. Diffusing across Europe up to the most Nordic reaches.
Any claim of "races" is like drawing a line between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. It is a purely artificial line, it is a purely arbitrary line, a purely non-physical line, is is a line which ocean water is fully connected and freely and continuously diffuses across, a line which populations are continuously connected and genes freely and continuously diffuses across.
Advances in technology - ships and cars and planes - have merely increased the speed of diffusion.
>From your other reply I conclude that you have a racist agenda
I do not promote racial supremacy, if that is what you are implying.
He said you had a racist agenda, and implied you are a racist.
Well golly gee whiz, you are such a highly evolved species of racist. He calls you out as a racist and you effectively say yeah I'm a racist but I'm not a supremacist. Snicker.
You just want to ship the niggers back to Africa.
And I guess ship all the redheads back to Ireland.
LOL. Fucktard racist.
Yeah, I personally insulted you. But I also demonstrated that your logic was wrong. So don't even attempt to play the "Attack me instead of the argument I make" persecuted victim line. If you say 2+2=5, you are still wrong even if I call you ugly while I demonstrate that it is wrong.
Bitching that Pacific Ocean water is mixing with and contaminating Atlantic Ocean water is stupid. The fact that you don't say Atlantic ocean water is "supreme" is irrelevant and is just as stupid. The fact that equally want to "protect the traditional heritage" of Pacific Ocean water from mixing with and
So, you're saying Americans are natural log-heads?
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The test would immediately give a 100% result of it as non-human DNA.
One of the reasons for that is the fact that humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes whereas chimps and other primates have 24 pairs. We didn't "lose" a chromosome - one strand of DNA got glued on to the end of one of the other strands of DNA, so all of the same genetic information is still there.
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If your GPS time was off by even one second, your position would be off by about 300km -- give or take depending on satellite geometry -- there's no way to separate the two.
Sure there is. The GPS clock system is independent of our common business-day clock. GPS does not incorporate time zones, does not incorporate daylight savings time adjustments, does not incorporate leap years or leap days or leap seconds or anything else. It is not tied to any earth time system. The GPS network simply counts its own seconds, independent of our earthly wall-clock time conventions.
The GPS unit likely has an independent clock circuit so that you can have a clock even when you are not receiving any GPS signals. And if it is running off of satellite time, it would have to have some stored translation factor to convert the satellite time to an earth-clock time, to account for time zones and daylight savings time and other adjustments, and to account for the fact that the satellite time *does* drift out of sync with official earth time systems. In fact due to leap seconds and whatnot, GPS time has drifted 14 seconds out of sync with GMT / UTC Coordinated Universal Time.
The fact that it was even physically possible for him to manually set the clock proves that the satellite time was not being directly displayed on the clock, that there is either an independent internal clock and/or some stored translation factor to convert the GPS network's internal clock system into whatever "common local time" you want displayed on the user-clock. None of this would would be used in the GPS position calculations.
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Ah, specifically wild eggs. That makes a bit more sense now. I was trying to figure out why the hell it would be illegal to collect eggs from the supermarket or other common commercial sources. Chuckle.
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LOL. Are you attempting to bash Obama there?
Yes, there are some issues where Obama sucks ass and I'm pissed as hell, like voting for Telecom immunity and the rest of the warrantless domestic spying expansion. But any area were Obama is bad, McCain is fucking worse. Like yeah... Obama is too old and out of touch with technology... so lets have McCain for president instead.
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Egg collectors in the UK (an illegal activity in this country)
Huh???
Someone please enlighten me. Is "egg collector" some odd euphemism I've never come across before, or does the UK actually have totally bizarre and pointless law against collecting eggs??
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Slashdot is a cool game, but the frame rate totally blows.
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The button is that size so visually impaired people can click it.
The button is that size so blind people can click it.
The button is that size so deaf people can click it.
The button is that size so dead people can click it.
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Yes, I was careful to say "largely" unaltered and uncontaminated. Not just because of impact bombardment, I also had cosmic ray bombardment in mind. A significant impact would melt some rocks in the immediate vicinity, but in general it would only contaminate the surface of most rocks. So you test the rock interiors, and rocks which have been melted like that will clearly test out differently and can be rejected. I think cosmic ray bombardment is the more significant issue to be concerned with, but with care the issue can be accounted for or avoided.
So "largely an unaltered and uncontaminated record" means there *is* some issue about alteration/contamination, but that it is a small enough issue to gloss over in answering his particular post.
Getting deep moon rocks, as you suggest, would be indeed be better and would provide more and better results. But we're doing pretty well with what we have.
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WTF is Bob Barr doing as the Libertarian candidate? Based on the linked record for him, he's more Republican than most Republicans.
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Even though the surface of earth changes, but I dont thing the stuff (rocks etc) just disappear. They still remain on earth. So, why can't they be used to find anything about the universe?
Mainly because bits of the surface are constantly being subducted into the core of the earth and melting into the general magma soup. The entire surface is also constantly subjected to erosion and weathering, which breaks rock down both physically and chemically. They are slow processes, but we're talking about ~4.5 billion years. That is enough time for pretty well the entire surface of the earth to have been destroyed and reformed several times over.
A sample from the moon is largely an unaltered and uncontaminated record from the moment it first solidified as rock.
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all female mammals on earth to have a massively synchronized ovulatory cycle which will end with the death of all the males.
I'm a little fuzzy on how exactly that is going to cause the males to die.
Does it involve all of us getting laid?
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I have touched Mars. Repeatedly.
Stop doing that.
You'll go blind.
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Don't forget PenisLand.net where "Your pen is our business",
and MolestationNursery.com which unfortunately has relocated to MoleRIVERnursery.com (they grow flowers).
But my favorite is definitely SpeedoFart.com, otherwise known as Speed Of Art.
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Ah, hehe. Whelp, hopefully you appreciated the Foraminifera example anyway :)
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Typo: "the layers down stop 5300 layers down" should read don't stop.
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I'm a full-on, YEC
I have a bit of expertise on some of the other issues you two were discussing, and maybe I'll get into some of that later, but first I want to see how this issue goes.
If you go to the arctic or antarctic and dig in the snow, you can see visible yearly layers. In the summer the surface bakes out under the sun for 6 months changing its texture, and a layer of dust and pollen from across the globe settles out of the atmosphere. You can count down the layers to any given year and find traces of ash from any given volcano in history. Dig down 1929 layers - 1929 years ago - to the layer for 79 A.D. - and you'll find ash from Mt Vesuviusm the famous eruption that destroyed Pompeii. If you want to get fancy you can measure minute trace levels of lead in the layers. Based on lead levels you can you can see lead levels go up in the 1920's when we started using leaded gasoline, and you can see lead levels go down in the 1970's and 80's when we phased out leaded gasoline. But more interesting if you dig down counting about 5300 layers down - counting about 5300 years ago - you can actually detect the beginning of the bronze age around 3300 B.C. In the bronze age the mining and smelting of ore released lead smoke and dust into the atmosphere, more than 5300 layers down the snowpack has no trace lead contamination, from that point on it does have faint traces of lead contamination. The yearly layers in the snow are visible and countable, and they verifiably track all of history and beyond.
Well, the layers down stop 5300 layers down. They keep going. In the arctic icepack there are about 123,000 layers. In the antarctic there are about 174,000 layers. All the way down you have yearly summer layers with the traces of pollen and dust. All the way down you have occasional layers of volcanic ash, laying out a history of 174,000 years routine pattern of occasional volcanic eruptions.
There is no sane way that the earth is less than 174,000 year ago. It is also not possible there was a literal global flood, at least not within the last 174,000 years anyway. Such a flood would have melted any underlying layers, and even if it didn't melt all of the underlying layers, it still would have left a huge and obvious mark behind at that point.
If that doesn't punch a hole in your YEC model of history, then I doubt even a video taped history of evolution would make a dent.
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>evidence for [] evolution and it's conclusive.
Seriously: name them.
The Foraminifera fossil record.
Most of the fossil record is spotty because it is insanely rare and completely random for an animal to leave a fossil behind, and even if they do it is insanely rare and completely random for anyone to find and record it. HOWEVER...
Foraminifera are tiny animals that live in the ocean by the trillions. Millions of them dying every day, continuously raining down on the sea floor. They have mineral skeletons called tests. These tests leave ideal fossils is the deep cold dark inert sediment slowly and steadily accumulating on the sea floor.
In the 1970's we started developing new deep sea drilling technology to search for oil. And this exploration started bringing up long sediment drill core samples. And these sediment cores were loaded with these tests by the millions, in the perfectly layered sediment. An effectively limitless supply of perfectly layered fossils. A perfectly continuous and complete fossil record covering thousands of species and spanning over a hundred million years.
You can trace diverse currently living species back to their common ancestor. Not merely a complete sequence of transitional-form species, but a hyper-continuous record of transitional forms along each speciation event. Scientists are no longer studying whether evolution is true or not - that question was pretty well resolved some hundred years ago or so. No, today scientists are studying exactly how long each speciation event took, studying in detail exactly how speciation occurs, and studying fascinating issues such as how and why the rate of speciation increases after a mass extinction event.
There are entire libraries filled with other evidence conclusively establishing evolution is true, but the Foraminifera example alone is enough to establish the point that YES, the evidence is conclusive. Much of the fossil record is patchy, but the fossil record for a significant chunk of the tree of life is as perfect and complete and irrefutable as one could possibly ask for.
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$ sed 's/creationism/intelligent design/g' creationist_textbook.txt
No, They apparently did the cut-n-paste job by hand. And butchered the job.
Linky linky: cdesign proponentsists
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I agree.
Science teachers shouldn't be wasting so much valuable classroom time on teaching about carbon and oxygen and other boring stuff, kids would find lessons on ghosts much more interesting.
And I'm sure your son will spend a lot more time looking at his science textbook when it has pictures of half-naked mermaids in it.
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Bush... veto the Patriot Act.
That was the episode where Bush had a beard, right?
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Did the Louisiana law actually INTEND this
The history of this bill and the motivations of the people involved are well documented. The prototype for this bill came from the Discovery Institute, primary home of the fundie anti-science ID movement. Academic_Freedom_bills
The intended purpose of the bill is to aid this sort of Intelligent Design textbook into science class. To introduce bogo-science into the classroom discrediting evolution, to promote Biblical Creationism as the implied remaining alternative to evolution.
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