Plus, the protective power of NAT/firewalls, be it a crappy little Dlink home router, or iptables, can easily be replaced by a proper IPv6 router. If your home has 5 computers, they won't all have distinct dedicated internet connections... so NAT doesn't seem to offer any real protection anyway.
Cheddar cheese was an example that was used in the news article I read. Supposedly some town in the UK, that has a similar name (or maybe only that cheddar implies from that town).
Sausages, not in general. But for instance, a bratwurst can only come from Germany, pepperoni, salami, bologna only from Italy... I like sausage but I can't name them all.
As for regulating that someone can't call the plastic-like cheezonium(TM) cheese substitute "cheddar"... that's a different issue. That seems fair enough, maybe even something the FDA should do. But if someone in Wisconsin makes authentic cheddar, does it properly... would be a shame that they couldn't call it that. And as you point out, "cheddar-style" would even be disallowed, if the EU has its way.
This is suggesting another possibility. As a matter of fact, by stating that, I grant him that assumption.
Now, you are attacking me, do you realize that? I am suggesting that there are scenarios where waiting to understand things fully are dangerous. I don't go as far as saying "we can't wait" which I don't really believe myself. But it is a worry, all the same. So, your entire argument hinges on this obviously being a situation where waiting could never be harmful (the only situation where my argument could be fallacious). If that is so, please tell. Seriously and honestly, I suppose it could be the case, but it isn't obvious to me, if so.
Can you say that you don't worry that this might be a case where waiting allows irreversible damage ? Intuitively, it feels to me as if it might. I can't see how exploring such a charge might be fallacious.
Only if I attack him for wanting to wait. Pointing out that waiting can also be dangerous, by itself, isn't fallacious. I myself, would like someone to come up with something resembling a proof...
Hell, maybe I'm only asking the economists to hurry up on the theoretical work, you know?
Uh, wrong. The desire for feudalism was never the common man's... read this
This is about turning the non-serfs in the USA into serfs. You can't be a feudal lord, if there is a large middle class, as have existed in the US for a long time now. Unfortunately, those causing all this are hiding in the obscurity.
Had to work with someone from another shift. Incompetent, there was paperwork to show how often I had to fix his mistakes. Anyway, I'm cornered in the break room. He's leaning at the door. Stands there, taunting me for 10 minutes. Leaving the room isn't an option, if I do, he'll start a fight. I had all I could take, so finally I told him to "shut the fuck up".
He's called in to talk to the bosses. I never was. I'm told by my former supervisor that he was asked "whether I called the guy a nigger". This totally flabbergasted me, how do you respond? Such things never really even enter my head... he's an asshole to be sure, but the color of his skin has little to do with it.
Doesn't help that I was the last one there making $17 an hour, and that every batch of ijits they had me train earned less and less ($10 an hour, just before I was fired).
I'm not a very subjective guy. I can't think of any significant details to this, other than maybe I was wrong, and I could have left the room without him starting something. Hard to describe, but that was my impression at the time.
Still looking for work in the Richmond, VA area though. If you need somone that can consistently repair a laptop in under 20 minutes (10m53s on iBook mainboards), that is an all-around good PC/networking tech... email me. Oh, and I can also hold my tongue for over 10 minutes, when cruel assholes stand there making fun of me. Haha.
It's also possible that irreversible damage will have been done, by the time a majority of economists realize this. That is, assuming they don't have agendas of their own.
Geographic names: Thanks to the EU, no one in the US will be able to make Cheddar cheese, or possibly even hamburgers. Started with the treaty of Versaille, Germany wasn't allowed to call their sparkling whites "champagne". Now thanks to the EU, applies to all sorts of foodstuffs, perhaps even other products. They'll likely trade this in return for ratifying something DCMAish that the US is pushing.
This won't protect the little guy either, but it may ruin the few little farmers left in this country. You own a dairy farm? Oops, all those specialty cheeses now can't be called by their names. Beef? Not directly, but will it hurt if McDonald's can't call them hamburgers any more? Sausages, the same. Vineyards already see some of this, but there are alot of other wine names that could be "returned" to france. I can't even begin to list the other implications...
Patent law: 17 years, hasn't been changed since the beginning. Too expensive for the little guy, who often has to give up his patent rights just to get a "work for hire" job.
Copyright law: Even non-commercial infringement now criminalized, fair use eroding, lasts longer than the media on which which we often create it. When I'm officially allowed to archive apple II software for public consumption, the plastic cases on the things will have crumbled to dusty powder (sometime in the 2060s). Stretched and abused beyond all reason, still often doesn't protect the little guy, that can't afford to chase down infringers. Big guys trying to get laws passed, that they don't even have to pay to do that, megacorps will get this service for free from the DOJ.
Trade secret law: All but impossible for the little guy to use. Big guys get to claim it, even after the secret is out.
Trademark law: Abused by corporations left and right, even beyond it's reasonable utility. Should only be used so that some fraudster can't make imitation goods, destroying someone else's reputation. Now, it has more to do with marketing... corporations think they're the only ones allowed to operate under common word names.
Did I miss any? Which one of those protects the little guy?
Yeh, and the ideal Aryan is 6'+... but the SS height minimum was set by what's his name's height of 5'9". Notice anything here? They bent the rules a little for the guys who created the party.
OK, so bear with me here.
Ugly blue alien isn't party founder. That's a strike against it.
Ugly blue alienness isn't bending the rules "a little". That's a strike against it.
It's an alien, not human. That's a strike against it.
Seems Hitler was closer to aryan-ness than an ugly blue alien. Who'da thought?
I'm more concerned with book loans, I think. Say that there is no money in the system yet, but the first think i need is a house, which will cost $80,000. I go to the bank, they loan me $80,000. But I don't withdraw that as cash, it's simply wired to the contractoor's/realtor's account. He doesn't withdraw it either, just sits on it.
You can talk all you want about money and creditworthiness, and all that bullshit... but it boils down to that bank giving permission to someone else, to give me a house. Tell me how it's anything different from that, please. On the scale that it happens in real-life, what it means is that the banks control our day to day lives (even more so now that they've addicted the populace to credit cards).
The vulcans represent pacifism except violence is needed as a last resort. They represent logic, and true intelligence, as opposed to the pseudo-intellectial bullshit that passes for it. They represent science, and not munging the results to fit what you want to believe.
Why in the world would they *not* destroy the coolness of all that?
First contact brought borg back in time, some crashed in antartica, and scientists woke them up. Enterprise is tasked with chasing them down, which they do. And they destroy them. And even though the doctor is infected with borg nanobots, he somehow manages to eliminate them before being assimilated.
Yes, because the nazi SS were so open to people of all races, even alien ones! They may have been xenophobic in their insane quest to be eugenically perfect, allowing only those with the most nordic features (over 5'9", blonde, good german features, athletic, etc), but when an alien shows up with a blue ugly face that looks Berman's ugly crackho mama, they'd just welcome him into the club.
But, after wrapping up the StankyAssfest that was space alquaeda, how were they going to do a cliffhanger with a twist? My god, if not for alien nazis, they'd be forced to do some real script writing!
Not sure it should die. I like the idea of JMS taking over. Maybe B5 is a fluke (too early into Jeremiah for me to tell), but if it isn't, the man is a genius.
Star Trek has potential, no one denies this. Maybe the title should be "Should Berman and Braga die (painfully) ?".
Hmm. Let's see, the captain wants to save a dying race, the doctor disagrees. And the entire debate gets all of 30 seconds. The doctor doesn't relent even though the first sentient species seems quite civil and peaceful with the second, not abusing them in any way other than "crowding them out". I'm sorry, but there was more moral ambiguity left unexplored than there should have been, and the decisions made were crafted to conveniently fit in with the "prime directive" that Berman just has to introduce.
Just like he's been introducing everything from the ST universe one episode at a time. We only need him to use a few from TNG that were discovered only in that show, and his shitfest will be complete.
I know retards that could explosively shit diarrhea onto manuscripts better than these guys can write.
Enterprise C would have been ideal. True, the ending is known, but it would be powerful, moving, maybe even heartbreaking. None of the campy "the hero never dies" bullshit they so often foist on us. Done right, B5 would pale in comparison.
Done badly though, and we'd have the same shit they give us now, though.
It's worse. Without good scifi, I'm forced to watch things like Andromeda. Even it is far deeper.
Lexx is more watchable, and only 10% more campy.
The only show I can find that is consistently worse, is the last season of Earth: Final Conflict. For those of you that haven't watched it, let me clarify. The first season is superb, the second and third seasons mediocre, but not bad as a whole. Only the last season (and I can't remember if this is #4 or 5) is horrible... seems they literally scraped the bottom of the barrel and had nothing left to work with. I do recommend watching the show, with one caveat. Use your satellite/tivo/cable "info" mode, to check on the plot and if the word "atavus" is anywhere in it, pull the plug.
If the unicode consortium would just approve of klingon glyphs, I could put it here in the correct alphabet.
Offtopic: I'm seriously considering registering "theunicodeformerlyknownasprince.org", a non-profit organization with the sole purpose of advocacy for making the "prince" glyph official. Years from now, how can we possibly write of modern music history without this glyph? There will be a gaping hole in records without it. Do your part, and petition for the inclusion of the "prince" glyph!
1) Space alqaeda. 2) Polarize the hull plating. (Unless everyone attacks them with alpha particles, what can this possibly do?) 3) Over-reliance on time travel. TOS wasn't exactly time traveless, there had to be 5 or 6 involving it... but every other episode of Enterprise uses this stupid cliche. 4) Even more de-scary-ification of the borg. They went from unstoppable, barely outrunnable mindless drones, to something that this crew can chase down and nail. I thought Voyager ruined them, but damn... 5) Stupid science, particularly unclever captain and officers. It's not enough to have a bad lightning storm, it becomes a "polaric" something or other. 6) Bizarre political contrivances. OK, the vulcans are a little annoyed with humanity, even less than friendly. But when the the bomb comes through yet another FTL contrivance, not a single vulcan ship is there to defend us? Certainly they could try, and leave before they themselves would be destroyed by it. Hell, there are more than a few vulcans on the planet at that point... 7) Xindi tests. They keep setting off proto-types to get things right, but because Berman is an ijit, they test the first on earth, presumably just to tip us off. Maybe they want to give earth a fighting chance. 8) Zero character development. For god's sake, even Andromeda has characters that grow and learn, and exist outside of their duty to the ship. 9) The need to wrap things up at the end of the show. Even when they do character development for instance (or what passes for it), it always resolves in the last 5 minutes of the show. 10) Reluctance to develop any minor crew characters. What's the deal, if they do that, they have to start paying these guys guild actor rates? 11) Insistence on tying in every damn thing that the other series did. Let's see, romulans, klingons, borg, Risa, Enterprise E, and a host of others. 12) Generally shitty writing. Take the worst writing from TNG, multiplied by ST1:TMP, plus the cashing in of Voyager... times 1000. This is the best Enterprise episode. The worst... oh god. 13) Berman 14) Braga
How many times must I tell you. I am not advocating Uniforms. Get it through your head. There is a vast difference between Uniforms and having a dress code.
Somewhere, then, I've gotten really confused in this thread. My apologies. However, you certainly did your part to confuse me even more. For instance, everywhere I've heard of (smalltown schools, to be sure, not NYC) they did and do have dress codes. Even when I was in highschool (89-93), the worst we ever had, was a controversy (small towns, you wouldn't believe some of the shit they blew out of proportion) over whether some girls were wearing skirts (allegedly) 1" shorter than the requirement.
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Plus, the protective power of NAT/firewalls, be it a crappy little Dlink home router, or iptables, can easily be replaced by a proper IPv6 router. If your home has 5 computers, they won't all have distinct dedicated internet connections... so NAT doesn't seem to offer any real protection anyway.
Cheddar cheese was an example that was used in the news article I read. Supposedly some town in the UK, that has a similar name (or maybe only that cheddar implies from that town).
Sausages, not in general. But for instance, a bratwurst can only come from Germany, pepperoni, salami, bologna only from Italy... I like sausage but I can't name them all.
As for regulating that someone can't call the plastic-like cheezonium(TM) cheese substitute "cheddar"... that's a different issue. That seems fair enough, maybe even something the FDA should do. But if someone in Wisconsin makes authentic cheddar, does it properly... would be a shame that they couldn't call it that. And as you point out, "cheddar-style" would even be disallowed, if the EU has its way.
This is suggesting another possibility. As a matter of fact, by stating that, I grant him that assumption.
Now, you are attacking me, do you realize that? I am suggesting that there are scenarios where waiting to understand things fully are dangerous. I don't go as far as saying "we can't wait" which I don't really believe myself. But it is a worry, all the same. So, your entire argument hinges on this obviously being a situation where waiting could never be harmful (the only situation where my argument could be fallacious). If that is so, please tell. Seriously and honestly, I suppose it could be the case, but it isn't obvious to me, if so.
Can you say that you don't worry that this might be a case where waiting allows irreversible damage ? Intuitively, it feels to me as if it might. I can't see how exploring such a charge might be fallacious.
Only if I attack him for wanting to wait. Pointing out that waiting can also be dangerous, by itself, isn't fallacious. I myself, would like someone to come up with something resembling a proof...
Hell, maybe I'm only asking the economists to hurry up on the theoretical work, you know?
Uh, wrong. The desire for feudalism was never the common man's... read this
This is about turning the non-serfs in the USA into serfs. You can't be a feudal lord, if there is a large middle class, as have existed in the US for a long time now. Unfortunately, those causing all this are hiding in the obscurity.
Like me? Back in April, fired.
Had to work with someone from another shift. Incompetent, there was paperwork to show how often I had to fix his mistakes. Anyway, I'm cornered in the break room. He's leaning at the door. Stands there, taunting me for 10 minutes. Leaving the room isn't an option, if I do, he'll start a fight. I had all I could take, so finally I told him to "shut the fuck up".
He's called in to talk to the bosses. I never was. I'm told by my former supervisor that he was asked "whether I called the guy a nigger". This totally flabbergasted me, how do you respond? Such things never really even enter my head... he's an asshole to be sure, but the color of his skin has little to do with it.
Doesn't help that I was the last one there making $17 an hour, and that every batch of ijits they had me train earned less and less ($10 an hour, just before I was fired).
I'm not a very subjective guy. I can't think of any significant details to this, other than maybe I was wrong, and I could have left the room without him starting something. Hard to describe, but that was my impression at the time.
Still looking for work in the Richmond, VA area though. If you need somone that can consistently repair a laptop in under 20 minutes (10m53s on iBook mainboards), that is an all-around good PC/networking tech... email me. Oh, and I can also hold my tongue for over 10 minutes, when cruel assholes stand there making fun of me. Haha.
Education isn't necessarily the common man's fault.
Even though education has it's part in this mess, outsourcing certainly can't help.
It's also possible that irreversible damage will have been done, by the time a majority of economists realize this. That is, assuming they don't have agendas of their own.
I'm not sure there is a globalization conspiracy, but if there is, it's not US-based.
Research the bank of England, the Rothchilds.
Duh.
Yes I did!
Geographic names: Thanks to the EU, no one in the US will be able to make Cheddar cheese, or possibly even hamburgers. Started with the treaty of Versaille, Germany wasn't allowed to call their sparkling whites "champagne". Now thanks to the EU, applies to all sorts of foodstuffs, perhaps even other products. They'll likely trade this in return for ratifying something DCMAish that the US is pushing.
This won't protect the little guy either, but it may ruin the few little farmers left in this country. You own a dairy farm? Oops, all those specialty cheeses now can't be called by their names. Beef? Not directly, but will it hurt if McDonald's can't call them hamburgers any more? Sausages, the same. Vineyards already see some of this, but there are alot of other wine names that could be "returned" to france. I can't even begin to list the other implications...
Patent law: 17 years, hasn't been changed since the beginning. Too expensive for the little guy, who often has to give up his patent rights just to get a "work for hire" job.
Copyright law: Even non-commercial infringement now criminalized, fair use eroding, lasts longer than the media on which which we often create it. When I'm officially allowed to archive apple II software for public consumption, the plastic cases on the things will have crumbled to dusty powder (sometime in the 2060s). Stretched and abused beyond all reason, still often doesn't protect the little guy, that can't afford to chase down infringers. Big guys trying to get laws passed, that they don't even have to pay to do that, megacorps will get this service for free from the DOJ.
Trade secret law: All but impossible for the little guy to use. Big guys get to claim it, even after the secret is out.
Trademark law: Abused by corporations left and right, even beyond it's reasonable utility. Should only be used so that some fraudster can't make imitation goods, destroying someone else's reputation. Now, it has more to do with marketing... corporations think they're the only ones allowed to operate under common word names.
Did I miss any? Which one of those protects the little guy?
Yes, once we make copyright last for 1500 years, the little guy will be safe.
Ijit. Tool. Tard.
Yeh, and the ideal Aryan is 6'+ ... but the SS height minimum was set by what's his name's height of 5'9". Notice anything here? They bent the rules a little for the guys who created the party.
OK, so bear with me here.
Ugly blue alien isn't party founder. That's a strike against it.
Ugly blue alienness isn't bending the rules "a little". That's a strike against it.
It's an alien, not human. That's a strike against it.
Seems Hitler was closer to aryan-ness than an ugly blue alien. Who'da thought?
I'm more concerned with book loans, I think. Say that there is no money in the system yet, but the first think i need is a house, which will cost $80,000. I go to the bank, they loan me $80,000. But I don't withdraw that as cash, it's simply wired to the contractoor's/realtor's account. He doesn't withdraw it either, just sits on it.
You can talk all you want about money and creditworthiness, and all that bullshit... but it boils down to that bank giving permission to someone else, to give me a house. Tell me how it's anything different from that, please. On the scale that it happens in real-life, what it means is that the banks control our day to day lives (even more so now that they've addicted the populace to credit cards).
The vulcans represent pacifism except violence is needed as a last resort. They represent logic, and true intelligence, as opposed to the pseudo-intellectial bullshit that passes for it. They represent science, and not munging the results to fit what you want to believe.
Why in the world would they *not* destroy the coolness of all that?
Considering that they have artificial gravity, yes, it is rather like that. Dumb, eh?
First contact brought borg back in time, some crashed in antartica, and scientists woke them up. Enterprise is tasked with chasing them down, which they do. And they destroy them. And even though the doctor is infected with borg nanobots, he somehow manages to eliminate them before being assimilated.
It was rather lame.
Yes, because the nazi SS were so open to people of all races, even alien ones! They may have been xenophobic in their insane quest to be eugenically perfect, allowing only those with the most nordic features (over 5'9", blonde, good german features, athletic, etc), but when an alien shows up with a blue ugly face that looks Berman's ugly crackho mama, they'd just welcome him into the club.
But, after wrapping up the StankyAssfest that was space alquaeda, how were they going to do a cliffhanger with a twist? My god, if not for alien nazis, they'd be forced to do some real script writing!
Not sure it should die. I like the idea of JMS taking over. Maybe B5 is a fluke (too early into Jeremiah for me to tell), but if it isn't, the man is a genius.
Star Trek has potential, no one denies this. Maybe the title should be "Should Berman and Braga die (painfully) ?".
The hard moral choices?
Hmm. Let's see, the captain wants to save a dying race, the doctor disagrees. And the entire debate gets all of 30 seconds. The doctor doesn't relent even though the first sentient species seems quite civil and peaceful with the second, not abusing them in any way other than "crowding them out". I'm sorry, but there was more moral ambiguity left unexplored than there should have been, and the decisions made were crafted to conveniently fit in with the "prime directive" that Berman just has to introduce.
Just like he's been introducing everything from the ST universe one episode at a time. We only need him to use a few from TNG that were discovered only in that show, and his shitfest will be complete.
I know retards that could explosively shit diarrhea onto manuscripts better than these guys can write.
Enterprise C would have been ideal. True, the ending is known, but it would be powerful, moving, maybe even heartbreaking. None of the campy "the hero never dies" bullshit they so often foist on us. Done right, B5 would pale in comparison.
Done badly though, and we'd have the same shit they give us now, though.
It's worse. Without good scifi, I'm forced to watch things like Andromeda. Even it is far deeper.
Lexx is more watchable, and only 10% more campy.
The only show I can find that is consistently worse, is the last season of Earth: Final Conflict. For those of you that haven't watched it, let me clarify. The first season is superb, the second and third seasons mediocre, but not bad as a whole. Only the last season (and I can't remember if this is #4 or 5) is horrible... seems they literally scraped the bottom of the barrel and had nothing left to work with. I do recommend watching the show, with one caveat. Use your satellite/tivo/cable "info" mode, to check on the plot and if the word "atavus" is anywhere in it, pull the plug.
If the unicode consortium would just approve of klingon glyphs, I could put it here in the correct alphabet.
Offtopic: I'm seriously considering registering "theunicodeformerlyknownasprince.org", a non-profit organization with the sole purpose of advocacy for making the "prince" glyph official. Years from now, how can we possibly write of modern music history without this glyph? There will be a gaping hole in records without it. Do your part, and petition for the inclusion of the "prince" glyph!
1) Space alqaeda.
2) Polarize the hull plating. (Unless everyone attacks them with alpha particles, what can this possibly do?)
3) Over-reliance on time travel. TOS wasn't exactly time traveless, there had to be 5 or 6 involving it... but every other episode of Enterprise uses this stupid cliche.
4) Even more de-scary-ification of the borg. They went from unstoppable, barely outrunnable mindless drones, to something that this crew can chase down and nail. I thought Voyager ruined them, but damn...
5) Stupid science, particularly unclever captain and officers. It's not enough to have a bad lightning storm, it becomes a "polaric" something or other.
6) Bizarre political contrivances. OK, the vulcans are a little annoyed with humanity, even less than friendly. But when the the bomb comes through yet another FTL contrivance, not a single vulcan ship is there to defend us? Certainly they could try, and leave before they themselves would be destroyed by it. Hell, there are more than a few vulcans on the planet at that point...
7) Xindi tests. They keep setting off proto-types to get things right, but because Berman is an ijit, they test the first on earth, presumably just to tip us off. Maybe they want to give earth a fighting chance.
8) Zero character development. For god's sake, even Andromeda has characters that grow and learn, and exist outside of their duty to the ship.
9) The need to wrap things up at the end of the show. Even when they do character development for instance (or what passes for it), it always resolves in the last 5 minutes of the show.
10) Reluctance to develop any minor crew characters. What's the deal, if they do that, they have to start paying these guys guild actor rates?
11) Insistence on tying in every damn thing that the other series did. Let's see, romulans, klingons, borg, Risa, Enterprise E, and a host of others.
12) Generally shitty writing. Take the worst writing from TNG, multiplied by ST1:TMP, plus the cashing in of Voyager... times 1000. This is the best Enterprise episode. The worst... oh god.
13) Berman
14) Braga
How many times must I tell you. I am not advocating Uniforms. Get it through your head. There is a vast difference between Uniforms and having a dress code.
Somewhere, then, I've gotten really confused in this thread. My apologies. However, you certainly did your part to confuse me even more. For instance, everywhere I've heard of (smalltown schools, to be sure, not NYC) they did and do have dress codes. Even when I was in highschool (89-93), the worst we ever had, was a controversy (small towns, you wouldn't believe some of the shit they blew out of proportion) over whether some girls were wearing skirts (allegedly) 1" shorter than the requirement.