Sorry, but that typewriter wasn't in common use in the military at that time and isn't capable of kerning, and certainly not with all the gadgets you'd have to add to get the superscripting. Good shot though.
Regarding the White House comment... What, you're saying that the White House had the documents beforehand? Nope. The White House got their copies from CBS news, which they in turn released:
"Does the White House regret handing out those documents, taking CBS' word on their authenticity, without checking them, themselves? "
"Well, we did ask, and CBS did not disclose to us, either, where they obtained those documents from," Mr. McClellan said. "We wanted to be open about it, so we provided that information, as we have other documents, to the media.
"We don't know whether the documents were fabricated or authentic," he added. "These are serious allegations and they are being looked into by others."
This whole story is quickly unraveling all around CBS, and no amount of tin-foil hat conspiracy theories is going to help them. Sure will be interesting to see where they got these documents from in the first place.
Kerning, the spacing between letters in a propotional font, is something a typewriter of that era is not capable of. It has no idea what letter came before it, and therefore can't space the letters the way computers can today. Doesn't matter WHAT font style it's in. Typewriters of that era are simply not able to do that.
That's the smoking gun in all this, and that's what proves those documents are fake.
If the WH had to deny everything anyone threw at them, it would be a 24 hour a day job. You're saying someone is guilty if they don't deny everything someone else says.... that's just silly.
Another thing on this topic: That "Staudt" guy mentioned in that 1973 memo? He retired in 1972.
The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas -- the bible of fonts -- does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.
" William Flynn, a forensic document specialist with 35 years of experience in police crime labs and private practice, said the CBS documents raise suspicions because of their use of proportional spacing techniques. Documents generated by the kind of typewriters that were widely used in 1972 space letters evenly across the page, so that an "i" uses as much space as an "m." In the CBS documents, by contrast, each letter uses a different amount of space.
"While IBM had introduced an electric typewriter that used proportional spacing by the early 1970s, it was not widely used in government. In addition, Flynn said, the CBS documents appear to use proportional spacing both across and down the page, a relatively recent innovation. Other anomalies in the documents include the use of the superscripted letters "th" in phrases such as 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Bush's unit."
One of the key quotes from the ABC News article:
"The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas -- the bible of fonts -- does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters."
Considering that these documents are forgeries, what this really shows is that the Democrats are so desperate to get rid of Bush that now they're actually forging documents to do so.
Interesting, but not particularly important to what we're talking about here.
The documents that were distributed were done on IBM typewriters.... typewriters that didn't have the superscript "th". The IBM typewriters then also didn't have proportional fonts.
These are forgeries, but given the tone of your message, you seem to be determined to believe these memos are real.
France and Germany opposed the war in Iraq because they were selling arms to Iraq during that time. I hardly think that that gives the EU any moral authority over what America is trying to do, considering they were supplying Iraq with arms.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. He said "if he wins West Virginia". The states DO represent the popular vote, and the only way this joker can be the elector would be if Bush does win the popular vote.
If Bush doesn't win the popular vote there, then the Democrat electors will cast the votes in the electorial college.
There are two sets of electoral college voters... one for each party.
Getting someone on a ballot isn't playing dirty. Forcing them off a ballot is. Perot, Nader, LaRouche, whoever... doesn't matter. If these same groups could keep Bush off the ballot the same way, they would.
If conservatives were doing this to a liberal candidate, people would be screaming bloody murder. Same old far-left tactic.... Supress the voice of the people you don't agree with.
Well, considering that there were people getting into "collection" activities for Nader, only to later find out these same jokers were PURPOSELY "collecting" bogus signatures....yeah, I'd say that there were people actively trying to keep him off the ballot.
Actually, no, those aren't the records to which I'm refering. I'm talking about the Navy's Standard form 180, which hasn't been signed by Kerry yet. (It's this: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copie s/standard_form_180.pdf form).
Kerry has not executed that form yet, so all of his records haven't been released. Run a Google News search, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Kerry could shut these guys down in a minute if what they're saying is false. All he has to do is release is 180 records... the same ones he promised Tim Russert in April on air, on Meet the Press.
I've always like this idea, but I bet some whack-job will try and bomb the thing.:-(...on the other hand, some other whack-job will probably try and *climb* the thing.... wonder how far he'd be before he'd realize that it wasn't as good of an idea as he thought?
That and when they can't get jobs when they're 45 or 50+, because someone 20s got hired because they were younger and would "fit in"... the same thing they advocated back when they were in their 20s.
First, the TSA people on the ground have to use some freaking common sense. It kind of disturbs me that the people on the ground can't recognize someone like Kennedy. On the news yesterday, they said some other bozo has been using "Edward Kennedy" as an alias. I can see some lesser known people being stopped, but seriously... who hasn't seen Kennedy?
These people are stopping senators and grandmas, and letting people through that probably should be stopped, all in the name of "political correctness". If a guy is acting shifty and has a foreign passport, chances are the guy is just nervous about being in a foreign country's airport security, so ask the guy a couple of questions... not my grandma.
Second, these congress people have start getting to the airport AHEAD OF TIME, just like the rest of us. They pull up five minutes before flights, and expect to cruise right on through.
Maybe if they start getting delayed more, they'll authorize more money to lower the waiting times at airports.
Back in the old days, Blue Moon (I think that was it) had a Renderman package you could download. The person that did it ended up getting hired by Pixar, and has been there to this day.
Here's the thing.... Pixar isn't going to open source Renderman. They just aren't. The best bet is to get a group of people together and create their own open source version of it. It's been done before, and it can be done again.
What's your evidence of that? I mean hard facts, I don't mean "I think it's that way because I read some guy's opinion on a website". Show me some proof.
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Even more experts are coming out saying their fake:
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http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php
Oh my! Here's more evidence you'd probably believe:
http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001832.
Kerry's toast. hahahahahaha
Sorry, but that typewriter wasn't in common use in the military at that time and isn't capable of kerning, and certainly not with all the gadgets you'd have to add to get the superscripting. Good shot though.
Regarding the White House comment... What, you're saying that the White House had the documents beforehand? Nope. The White House got their copies from CBS news, which they in turn released:
From the White House press briefing yesterday:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09
This whole story is quickly unraveling all around CBS, and no amount of tin-foil hat conspiracy theories is going to help them. Sure will be interesting to see where they got these documents from in the first place.
Yep. Smoking Gun.
Kerning, the spacing between letters in a propotional font, is something a typewriter of that era is not capable of. It has no idea what letter came before it, and therefore can't space the letters the way computers can today. Doesn't matter WHAT font style it's in. Typewriters of that era are simply not able to do that.
That's the smoking gun in all this, and that's what proves those documents are fake.
Case Closed.
Nice conspiracy theory, but it doesn't hold up. Where's the proof the WH was in on that? There is none. There is none, because they weren't into it.
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Getting back on topic, turns out that CBS got those things from the Kerry campaign:
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/09/bombs
Case closed.
If the WH had to deny everything anyone threw at them, it would be a 24 hour a day job. You're saying someone is guilty if they don't deny everything someone else says.... that's just silly.
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Another thing on this topic: That "Staudt" guy mentioned in that 1973 memo? He retired in 1972.
http://www.latimes.com/la-na-guard15feb15,1,624
and ABC News now have stories about it.
From the ABC News article:
CBS seriously screwed up on this one.
This is all very interesting, but all completely wrong. Good try though.
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See the following:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote200
One of the key quotes from the Post article:
" William Flynn, a forensic document specialist with 35 years of experience in police crime labs and private practice, said the CBS documents raise suspicions because of their use of proportional spacing techniques. Documents generated by the kind of typewriters that were widely used in 1972 space letters evenly across the page, so that an "i" uses as much space as an "m." In the CBS documents, by contrast, each letter uses a different amount of space.
"While IBM had introduced an electric typewriter that used proportional spacing by the early 1970s, it was not widely used in government. In addition, Flynn said, the CBS documents appear to use proportional spacing both across and down the page, a relatively recent innovation. Other anomalies in the documents include the use of the superscripted letters "th" in phrases such as 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Bush's unit."
One of the key quotes from the ABC News article:
"The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas -- the bible of fonts -- does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters."
Considering that these documents are forgeries, what this really shows is that the Democrats are so desperate to get rid of Bush that now they're actually forging documents to do so.
Pretty damn pathetic.
Interesting, but not particularly important to what we're talking about here.
The documents that were distributed were done on IBM typewriters.... typewriters that didn't have the superscript "th". The IBM typewriters then also didn't have proportional fonts.
These are forgeries, but given the tone of your message, you seem to be determined to believe these memos are real.
Sorry, but they're not.
France and Germany opposed the war in Iraq because they were selling arms to Iraq during that time. I hardly think that that gives the EU any moral authority over what America is trying to do, considering they were supplying Iraq with arms.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. He said "if he wins West Virginia". The states DO represent the popular vote, and the only way this joker can be the elector would be if Bush does win the popular vote.
If Bush doesn't win the popular vote there, then the Democrat electors will cast the votes in the electorial college.
There are two sets of electoral college voters... one for each party.
...People that agree with him will call him "honorable". People that don't will call him a "traitor".
Sorry, but I'm not buying that "playing dirty".
Getting someone on a ballot isn't playing dirty. Forcing them off a ballot is. Perot, Nader, LaRouche, whoever... doesn't matter. If these same groups could keep Bush off the ballot the same way, they would.
If conservatives were doing this to a liberal candidate, people would be screaming bloody murder. Same old far-left tactic.... Supress the voice of the people you don't agree with.
Well, considering that there were people getting into "collection" activities for Nader, only to later find out these same jokers were PURPOSELY "collecting" bogus signatures....yeah, I'd say that there were people actively trying to keep him off the ballot.
Actually, no, those aren't the records to which I'm refering. I'm talking about the Navy's Standard form 180, which hasn't been signed by Kerry yet. (It's this: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copie s/standard_form_180.pdf
form).
Kerry has not executed that form yet, so all of his records haven't been released. Run a Google News search, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Kerry could shut these guys down in a minute if what they're saying is false. All he has to do is release is 180 records... the same ones he promised Tim Russert in April on air, on Meet the Press.
He still hasn't done that.
Well..this wasn't banned really... They just couldn't find it.
I've always like this idea, but I bet some whack-job will try and bomb the thing. :-( ...on the other hand, some other whack-job will probably try and *climb* the thing.... wonder how far he'd be before he'd realize that it wasn't as good of an idea as he thought?
That and when they can't get jobs when they're 45 or 50+, because someone 20s got hired because they were younger and would "fit in"... the same thing they advocated back when they were in their 20s.
There are a couple of problems here.
First, the TSA people on the ground have to use some freaking common sense. It kind of disturbs me that the people on the ground can't recognize someone like Kennedy. On the news yesterday, they said some other bozo has been using "Edward Kennedy" as an alias. I can see some lesser known people being stopped, but seriously... who hasn't seen Kennedy?
These people are stopping senators and grandmas, and letting people through that probably should be stopped, all in the name of "political correctness". If a guy is acting shifty and has a foreign passport, chances are the guy is just nervous about being in a foreign country's airport security, so ask the guy a couple of questions... not my grandma.
Second, these congress people have start getting to the airport AHEAD OF TIME, just like the rest of us. They pull up five minutes before flights, and expect to cruise right on through.
Maybe if they start getting delayed more, they'll authorize more money to lower the waiting times at airports.
Back in the old days, Blue Moon (I think that was it) had a Renderman package you could download. The person that did it ended up getting hired by Pixar, and has been there to this day.
Here's the thing.... Pixar isn't going to open source Renderman. They just aren't. The best bet is to get a group of people together and create their own open source version of it. It's been done before, and it can be done again.
A grab for oil?
What's your evidence of that? I mean hard facts, I don't mean "I think it's that way because I read some guy's opinion on a website". Show me some proof.
Wow! I have a list just like that who want to keep Kerry out of office too!
Imagine that.
You mean as opposed to the religion bigots of the left?
WMDs found:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3861197.
http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
Bush never claimed that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Find a direct quote. You can't, because he didn't.
The Taliban did support al-Qaeda. Surely even you know that.
Face it... you're just wrong.