Jeb isn't electable. He was once but the brand is a bit tarnished now.
There was also his book release. The one where he went with the 2010-12 GOP surge and railed against illegal immigration. Only to run smack into fast changing politics on the issue. He actually tried to claim he basically didn't write the book it was so bad.
Never said Hilary is electable:) Just that the GOP people aren't.
You're in Canada...where the effects of climate change are being felt the largest and fastest. Talk to the people living off the land in the arctic...it's changing and changing fast. Permafrost is thawing. Polar bear populations are crashing because there the ice is retreating sooner and returning later.
The problem is your sarcastic argument is the exact actual argument used by deniers to explain what they see as lock step ideology of scientists...when it's actually just the rational result of studying the data. (The deniers see ideology because that's what they know)
Perhaps you didn't read the study that the pacific has been absorbing the energy causing the seeming 'hiatus' in rising temps. linky So it's quite plausible that the pacific has been redistributing the heat lower into the ocean columns. Eventually though it stops being able to do that and the atmospheric heating continues...now with a warmer ocean to boot.
It's a complex system and we don't know everything but we continue to study and learn. As opposed to your ilk who just say 'nope, no problems' with no evidence to explain the workings of the system.
Much like claiming a snow storm means the climate isn't warming. It IS warming and has been for decades but because of a single blip in the trend you're ready to throw out decades of factual solid data on temps.
NVAP only started in the 90s. Given that we have definitely seen a plateau of increases in the intervening 20 years it's perfectly reasonable that you wouldn't seen an increase in water vapor. It's driven by temp and thus would stay fairly stable during a time of little warming.
The 'problem' again is that everything has a caveat as you so dutifully noted about NVAP. It's the grander picture that tells the real tale.
The car doesn't have to be electric to be 'charged' via solar. Both Honda and Toyota are introducing mass market Hydrogen Cars within a year or two.
I never said this was good for everybody. The link itself says the same thing. But deploying this on a larger basis starts to make it workable in areas where single installations might not be viable.
As far as being 'way off'. This was 8 years ago. How much do you spend on all your utilities (except water)? Most people that's a couple hundred bucks a month. That's a lot of borrowing power to install something that will pay you back faster as prices keep rising.
There are these people called 'descendents' who would still profit quite nicely, no?
Oil still runs the world. It simply doesn't move without it. Local transportation options are easily moved off of oil. Global shipping? not so much. Demand isn't going down significantly right now, but projected needs with China and India modernizing make the 'long' view not that long.
You do realize that charging a car overnight on solar power is entirely doable...today right? linky
I think that setup cost about $500K. For a one-off installation. Do this over significant numbers and it gets affordable very very quickly. And this particular setup won't work for a decent percent of people...but it's entirely possible today.
The glut is significantly due to US increase in production. We're number 2 right now and going to be rivaling Saudi soon. Of course we're pushing max capacity and Saudi can turn it up way over our heads, but the current glut is us.
$5-6 by summer? Doubtful. But within 5-10 years, almost certainly. What we're seeing is how much the commodity trading artificially inflated prices. And probably some of the various big hedge funds starting to divest themselves of oil stocks. But global demand from China and India are going to reassert themselves as you suggest.
Perhaps, but oil and gas in the long run are only going up in price as supplies dwindle. The current increase in production also has very very serious side effects that are likely going to severely curtail it within a decade. Increasing numbers of earthquakes of 5+ magnitude in Kansas? Oklahoma? Guess what's causing that?
5 isn't huge in California, but it's a much stronger effect in solid plate areas as opposed to the edges. And they are much shallower making the tremors yet stronger...right near the depth where the fluids are being injected...funny that.
Who has more money. Al Gore or the Koch Brothers? And yet the Koch Brothers can't seem to buy even 4% of scientists? If you're claiming scientists are 'bought', then why exactly aren't they singing the tune of the highest bidders?
Actually there won't BE any fuel taxes. As in no gasoline fuel used. The 'gas tax' is dying and needs too. Paying based on your annual mileage x vehicle type needs to be the new metric for funding roads. Even before we get off gas, cars are more and more efficient, reducing the amount of gas used per mile driven.
The cost of maintaining the roads is FAR exceeded by the cost of not doing so. When the roads start breaking down, the delivery trucks need that much more maintenance and now everything costs more to deliver. Regular maintenance spending is always cheaper.
Here here. I've been saying it will basically be another 20-30 years before it really gets mainstream though. Not until todays 20 somethings are in management roles will it start coming to main street.
Though in bigger cities the simple cost of renting office space will hopefully start it a bit earlier.
And suggesting that we ALL abide by common sense rules isn't living life the way we preach? We're trying to make sure everybody plays by the same rules. That's usually the argument against doing anything about carbon...that China simply won't play along. Yet here you claim 'we', the greenies, should go first.
Well then, the US should 'go first' to show China the way, right?
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Jeb isn't electable. He was once but the brand is a bit tarnished now.
:) Just that the GOP people aren't.
There was also his book release. The one where he went with the 2010-12 GOP surge and railed against illegal immigration. Only to run smack into fast changing politics on the issue. He actually tried to claim he basically didn't write the book it was so bad.
Never said Hilary is electable
People freeze to death in winter.
Yep. Weather isn't climate. Irrelevant.
Guess my filter is off :)
The problem is your sarcastic argument is the exact actual argument used by deniers to explain what they see as lock step ideology of scientists...when it's actually just the rational result of studying the data. (The deniers see ideology because that's what they know)
what does per capita have to do with it? Warming isn't 'per capita', it's just warming.
That China has 3 times our population means they are going to be much much bigger in the future.
Perhaps you didn't read the study that the pacific has been absorbing the energy causing the seeming 'hiatus' in rising temps. linky So it's quite plausible that the pacific has been redistributing the heat lower into the ocean columns. Eventually though it stops being able to do that and the atmospheric heating continues...now with a warmer ocean to boot.
It's a complex system and we don't know everything but we continue to study and learn. As opposed to your ilk who just say 'nope, no problems' with no evidence to explain the workings of the system.
Much like claiming a snow storm means the climate isn't warming. It IS warming and has been for decades but because of a single blip in the trend you're ready to throw out decades of factual solid data on temps.
Very. It's called energy storage.
China passes US as global Carbon emitter
Fucking moron.
Sources please. The Koch brothers are something like 23rd on the global wealth index.
NVAP only started in the 90s. Given that we have definitely seen a plateau of increases in the intervening 20 years it's perfectly reasonable that you wouldn't seen an increase in water vapor. It's driven by temp and thus would stay fairly stable during a time of little warming.
The 'problem' again is that everything has a caveat as you so dutifully noted about NVAP. It's the grander picture that tells the real tale.
Infinite for all practical purposes. More sunlight hits the earth in a single HOUR than mankind uses in energy in an entire year currently.
The car doesn't have to be electric to be 'charged' via solar. Both Honda and Toyota are introducing mass market Hydrogen Cars within a year or two.
I never said this was good for everybody. The link itself says the same thing. But deploying this on a larger basis starts to make it workable in areas where single installations might not be viable.
As far as being 'way off'. This was 8 years ago. How much do you spend on all your utilities (except water)? Most people that's a couple hundred bucks a month. That's a lot of borrowing power to install something that will pay you back faster as prices keep rising.
There are these people called 'descendents' who would still profit quite nicely, no?
Oil still runs the world. It simply doesn't move without it. Local transportation options are easily moved off of oil. Global shipping? not so much. Demand isn't going down significantly right now, but projected needs with China and India modernizing make the 'long' view not that long.
You do realize that charging a car overnight on solar power is entirely doable...today right? linky I think that setup cost about $500K. For a one-off installation. Do this over significant numbers and it gets affordable very very quickly. And this particular setup won't work for a decent percent of people...but it's entirely possible today.
Um, then why exactly did the fracking industry get immunity from disclosing the stuff they are putting in the ground? What are they hiding?
Fracking takes place below. Except that fracking BREAKS the rock. It's the entire purpose of it. So cracks form and allow escape routes.
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The glut is significantly due to US increase in production. We're number 2 right now and going to be rivaling Saudi soon. Of course we're pushing max capacity and Saudi can turn it up way over our heads, but the current glut is us.
Electable Republicans? for President? Hell ROMNEY is considering running again.
Shale is fracking. It's how they are extracting said oil, by breaking the shale with injection wells. It's used for both gas and oil.
$5-6 by summer? Doubtful. But within 5-10 years, almost certainly. What we're seeing is how much the commodity trading artificially inflated prices. And probably some of the various big hedge funds starting to divest themselves of oil stocks. But global demand from China and India are going to reassert themselves as you suggest.
Perhaps, but oil and gas in the long run are only going up in price as supplies dwindle. The current increase in production also has very very serious side effects that are likely going to severely curtail it within a decade. Increasing numbers of earthquakes of 5+ magnitude in Kansas? Oklahoma? Guess what's causing that?
5 isn't huge in California, but it's a much stronger effect in solid plate areas as opposed to the edges. And they are much shallower making the tremors yet stronger...right near the depth where the fluids are being injected...funny that.
Who has more money. Al Gore or the Koch Brothers? And yet the Koch Brothers can't seem to buy even 4% of scientists? If you're claiming scientists are 'bought', then why exactly aren't they singing the tune of the highest bidders?
Actually there won't BE any fuel taxes. As in no gasoline fuel used. The 'gas tax' is dying and needs too. Paying based on your annual mileage x vehicle type needs to be the new metric for funding roads. Even before we get off gas, cars are more and more efficient, reducing the amount of gas used per mile driven. The cost of maintaining the roads is FAR exceeded by the cost of not doing so. When the roads start breaking down, the delivery trucks need that much more maintenance and now everything costs more to deliver. Regular maintenance spending is always cheaper.
The telecommuting revolution is long overdue.
Here here. I've been saying it will basically be another 20-30 years before it really gets mainstream though. Not until todays 20 somethings are in management roles will it start coming to main street.
Though in bigger cities the simple cost of renting office space will hopefully start it a bit earlier.
And suggesting that we ALL abide by common sense rules isn't living life the way we preach? We're trying to make sure everybody plays by the same rules. That's usually the argument against doing anything about carbon...that China simply won't play along. Yet here you claim 'we', the greenies, should go first.
Well then, the US should 'go first' to show China the way, right?