Nope. George Bush tried to cancel the Voyager programs (for a paltry 4 million in savings). He was informed there would be a human shield preventing anyone trying to turn them off.
We'll never be able to fly
We'll never be able to go into space
We'll never be able to land on the moon
We'll never be able to have civil and informative political discussions....
Ok, the 4th might be true, but 'never' and human ingenuity shouldn't be lumped together very often.
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) is responsible for enforcing federal laws that make it illegal to discriminate against a job applicant or an employee because of the person's race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.
It does NOT cover you holding and expressing views you're employer dislikes.
Nobody said it was oppression, they are freely speaking their minds. Nothing wrong with it at all. Both sides should probably expect holding and expressing their views may have unintended consequences, but nobody is remotely claiming they are being oppressed.
Pretty sure AC means the Tweets from the rank and file saying the new boss should to step down. It's fair to expect some blowback for that, but the new boss also needs to understand if he's toxic to the people who will be making him succeed or fail as well.
I'll agree that most people who identify as libertarians..ala Ron/Rand Paul...simply aren't. I can respect a Libertarian point of view. It has concrete and arguable points. I fundamentally think it simply can't work in reality, but it's a nice ideal to strive for.
The Tea Party? It would be absolutely entertaining if it weren't such a viciously soul sucking pit of despair to anyone who appreciates logic.
The Dems a party of fiscal responsibility? Heh, whenever I've brought up the concept, my point to the Tea Party is 'tax and spend liberals' yep that's fiscal responsibility...PAYING for what you spend. Of course having the Tea Party understand that the vast majority of the debt has been rung up by Republicans is a wee bit too much to ask:) I'll even absolve Reagan of his increases as he (and a Dem Congress) bankrupted the Soviet Union making the world (hopefully) a better place.
As opposed to the GOP's quite literal flop of 'Tax and cut' yeah that'll work
So instead of this being something done by one or two people, you'd much rather it be a systemic problem with aircraft that tens of thousands of people fly in everyday?
Actually yes. The last time a 'few' people in cockpit tried nefarious stuff, the world changed and the US (my country) invaded Iraq and started headlong down the road to totalitarianism. A perfect storm really. An already corrupt 2 party system that doesn't do any serious check and balance, only raise money for re-election, now gets a perfect 'for the children' defense for *anything* proposed no matter how stupid or pointless it is.
Or we have a mechanical failure that can be fixed...
I'll take the latter every single time. The above sounds like a rabid libertarian point of view, but I assure you it isn't. I'm as left wing liberal as just about anybody. I believe in government and it having a purpose; but with the NSA and everything else we've seen in the last 15 years...it is truly broken to the core and it's up to us to fix it.
Which is why they waited literally days before asking the international community for help? Seriously, significant progress didn't begin until the other countries were allowed to start helping.
You can be a small country with limited resources, but you don't get to excuse for not calling for help when you are clearly in over your head.
I figure since we already have them orbiting the sun to tell us about these things, it's probably reasonable to assume that's the most efficient way to do it.
You also need one directly between us and the Sun because we need to know the polarity of the CME. I forgot which way it is but it's either if it's opposite our magnetic field then it's harmless or if it's the same it's harmless. So we need to know that before shutting down the entire power grid...a telescope (light) isn't going to tell you that.
There are plenty of ways to mitigate this. Satellites are built with safeguards to prevent this exact problem. However, they aren't functional in 'protected' mode so you need to be very careful when you turn them off. i.e. you don't want to do it unless you absolutely positively have to do it.
With satellite's monitoring the Sun we can see when these things are coming hours ahead of time - they don't travel at light speed. That gives us plenty of warning to set things into protected mode.
Same goes for transformers on the electrical grid. If they aren't connected to the grid when this hits, they simply won't be affected. But obviously you won't have electricity while they're disconnected.
So the key thing here is having satellites in orbit around the Sun that watch and tell us when this is coming. Unfortunately we aren't replacing the sats that do this fast enough and we're going to have serious gaps in our coverage before too long.
the point isn't that they 'are', the point is that you claiming they 'are' doesn't mean they 'are'.
You then say that cities and infrastructure aren't mobile but that calling a human settlement 'fixed' is misleading. Unless you're living in a mobile home, your 'settlement' is quite fixed.
Moving 200 million people world wide isn't a small thing to consider. It will have massive costs and cause massive disruption...that can possibly be mitigated by changing our fuel sources and also removing CO2 from the atmosphere directly.
As a self professed 'eco-idiot':) , molten salt thorium reactors do indeed hold promise. But like renewable energy 'storage' the tech isn't there right now to replace coal. It's a chemical engineering problem to make sure you can contain the highly corrosive salts for 20+ years without any maintenance. Not yet solved, but likely quite solvable.
Economics of the 'cost' of coal are fine. The problem is there isn't anything else except nuclear to replace coal right now. Renewables are great, but storing the energy for later use is the current problem with them for a grid scale installation. Except nuclear.
As I've said many times, nuclear is necessary while we develop energy storage tech that makes renewables work, but simply replacing every coal plant with nuclear? I don't want that many potential disasters popping up everywhere. Maybe we don't have any choice...but that's a devil you know vs a devil you know choice:)
Working with classified material doesn't really waive one's civil rights
Yes it does. If you're working for the President or some such highly classified post, they are most definitely going to be looking at much of what you do outside of work. That's clearly giving up you're rights. They wouldn't be able to do so otherwise without a warrant. Or at least weren't able too prior to 'but Terrorism!' being justification for everything under the sun.
Also remember that the contractor charged with doing the background checks for clearances is currently being investigated for fraud on their order of hundreds of thousands of clearances..
as a holder of a SECRET clearance, I would disagree.
'unreasonable' is meaningless when national security is involved. I don't particularly like it, but civil rights go out the window when there's actual national security concerns. Now, whether there really are any justifying this is another question entirely:)
No they don't polygraph you all the time. There are 'SECRET' clearances, which I have, that are basically nothing more than a background check. No other checks are done at all that involve me. Never had a polygraph ever.
TOP SECRET might, but there is TOP SECRET w/Poly as a separate clearance so me thinks that might be the only one that gets it sometimes. This isn't '24'.
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Nope. George Bush tried to cancel the Voyager programs (for a paltry 4 million in savings). He was informed there would be a human shield preventing anyone trying to turn them off.
It is very unlikely that they are directly connected to the underlying ocean
You know what's 'very unlikely'? A /. poster having any clue about Europa that NASA doesn't already know in it's sleep.
how do you think volcanoes work? melting rock only near the surface?
Besides, with ice formation it doesn't destroy evidence of organisms that were in the water.
We'll never get through the thick ice layer.
We'll never be able to fly
We'll never be able to go into space
We'll never be able to land on the moon
We'll never be able to have civil and informative political discussions....
Ok, the 4th might be true, but 'never' and human ingenuity shouldn't be lumped together very often.
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) is responsible for enforcing federal laws that make it illegal to discriminate against a job applicant or an employee because of the person's race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.
It does NOT cover you holding and expressing views you're employer dislikes.
Nobody said it was oppression, they are freely speaking their minds. Nothing wrong with it at all. Both sides should probably expect holding and expressing their views may have unintended consequences, but nobody is remotely claiming they are being oppressed.
Would it be OK for our companies to fire us for them, even if we don't bring them into our workplaces?
Perfectly legal in many places already. First Amendment applies to the government, not private employers.
Pretty sure AC means the Tweets from the rank and file saying the new boss should to step down. It's fair to expect some blowback for that, but the new boss also needs to understand if he's toxic to the people who will be making him succeed or fail as well.
I'll agree that most people who identify as libertarians..ala Ron/Rand Paul...simply aren't. I can respect a Libertarian point of view. It has concrete and arguable points. I fundamentally think it simply can't work in reality, but it's a nice ideal to strive for.
:) I'll even absolve Reagan of his increases as he (and a Dem Congress) bankrupted the Soviet Union making the world (hopefully) a better place.
The Tea Party? It would be absolutely entertaining if it weren't such a viciously soul sucking pit of despair to anyone who appreciates logic.
The Dems a party of fiscal responsibility? Heh, whenever I've brought up the concept, my point to the Tea Party is 'tax and spend liberals' yep that's fiscal responsibility...PAYING for what you spend. Of course having the Tea Party understand that the vast majority of the debt has been rung up by Republicans is a wee bit too much to ask
As opposed to the GOP's quite literal flop of 'Tax and cut' yeah that'll work
So instead of this being something done by one or two people, you'd much rather it be a systemic problem with aircraft that tens of thousands of people fly in everyday?
Actually yes. The last time a 'few' people in cockpit tried nefarious stuff, the world changed and the US (my country) invaded Iraq and started headlong down the road to totalitarianism. A perfect storm really. An already corrupt 2 party system that doesn't do any serious check and balance, only raise money for re-election, now gets a perfect 'for the children' defense for *anything* proposed no matter how stupid or pointless it is.
Or we have a mechanical failure that can be fixed...
I'll take the latter every single time. The above sounds like a rabid libertarian point of view, but I assure you it isn't. I'm as left wing liberal as just about anybody. I believe in government and it having a purpose; but with the NSA and everything else we've seen in the last 15 years...it is truly broken to the core and it's up to us to fix it.
Which is why they waited literally days before asking the international community for help? Seriously, significant progress didn't begin until the other countries were allowed to start helping.
You can be a small country with limited resources, but you don't get to excuse for not calling for help when you are clearly in over your head.
I figure since we already have them orbiting the sun to tell us about these things, it's probably reasonable to assume that's the most efficient way to do it.
You also need one directly between us and the Sun because we need to know the polarity of the CME. I forgot which way it is but it's either if it's opposite our magnetic field then it's harmless or if it's the same it's harmless. So we need to know that before shutting down the entire power grid...a telescope (light) isn't going to tell you that.
the easiest solution is simply disconnecting the transformers when a CMP is coming.
But that requires a number of satellites in orbit around the Sun (not Earth)...and that backs up you're money point...sigh
There are plenty of ways to mitigate this. Satellites are built with safeguards to prevent this exact problem. However, they aren't functional in 'protected' mode so you need to be very careful when you turn them off. i.e. you don't want to do it unless you absolutely positively have to do it.
With satellite's monitoring the Sun we can see when these things are coming hours ahead of time - they don't travel at light speed. That gives us plenty of warning to set things into protected mode.
Same goes for transformers on the electrical grid. If they aren't connected to the grid when this hits, they simply won't be affected. But obviously you won't have electricity while they're disconnected.
So the key thing here is having satellites in orbit around the Sun that watch and tell us when this is coming. Unfortunately we aren't replacing the sats that do this fast enough and we're going to have serious gaps in our coverage before too long.
the point isn't that they 'are', the point is that you claiming they 'are' doesn't mean they 'are'.
You then say that cities and infrastructure aren't mobile but that calling a human settlement 'fixed' is misleading. Unless you're living in a mobile home, your 'settlement' is quite fixed.
Moving 200 million people world wide isn't a small thing to consider. It will have massive costs and cause massive disruption...that can possibly be mitigated by changing our fuel sources and also removing CO2 from the atmosphere directly.
As a self professed 'eco-idiot' :) , molten salt thorium reactors do indeed hold promise. But like renewable energy 'storage' the tech isn't there right now to replace coal. It's a chemical engineering problem to make sure you can contain the highly corrosive salts for 20+ years without any maintenance. Not yet solved, but likely quite solvable.
But not there yet as I said.
Detroit is a ghost town because of the 'economic' and 'political' climate there, not the atmospheric 'climate'.
As for claims populations are moving south due to AC, any sources for that?
Economics of the 'cost' of coal are fine. The problem is there isn't anything else except nuclear to replace coal right now. Renewables are great, but storing the energy for later use is the current problem with them for a grid scale installation. Except nuclear.
:)
As I've said many times, nuclear is necessary while we develop energy storage tech that makes renewables work, but simply replacing every coal plant with nuclear? I don't want that many potential disasters popping up everywhere. Maybe we don't have any choice...but that's a devil you know vs a devil you know choice
Yes, they've 'popped up'. That's not mobile though. Moving them would be mobile, but good luck 'moving' Miami or NYC...
West Virginia...or its cartoon incarnation Elbonia...
Working with classified material doesn't really waive one's civil rights
Yes it does. If you're working for the President or some such highly classified post, they are most definitely going to be looking at much of what you do outside of work. That's clearly giving up you're rights. They wouldn't be able to do so otherwise without a warrant. Or at least weren't able too prior to 'but Terrorism!' being justification for everything under the sun.
I have agreed to allow some intrusive inspection of my life but I still have and will always have my civil rights
So you've waived them 'a little'? Protection from unreasonable searches is a civil right, but you've admitted you've waived them somewhat...
Also remember that the contractor charged with doing the background checks for clearances is currently being investigated for fraud on their order of hundreds of thousands of clearances..
It doesn't matter, your clearance requirements are in force in perpetuity. i.e. you can't disclose information or anything else after you quit.
as a holder of a SECRET clearance, I would disagree.
:)
'unreasonable' is meaningless when national security is involved. I don't particularly like it, but civil rights go out the window when there's actual national security concerns. Now, whether there really are any justifying this is another question entirely
No they don't polygraph you all the time. There are 'SECRET' clearances, which I have, that are basically nothing more than a background check. No other checks are done at all that involve me. Never had a polygraph ever.
TOP SECRET might, but there is TOP SECRET w/Poly as a separate clearance so me thinks that might be the only one that gets it sometimes. This isn't '24'.