Maybe it is. I don;'t use DOS anymore, though I am tempted to resurrect some games I'd played which have gone obsolete; the Sierra racing series, f'rexample.
I notice Sparky Linux Gamer's edition ships with FreeDOS.
Yep! My memories of those days are not as clear as yours, but now that you mention it, yes, 5.0a was the man. I didn't use stacker, but Norton Utilities was in my toolkit since I got my first personal computer loaded with DOS 3.6. When I finally got a 386 processor and could access extended memory, I loaded QEMM and Sidekick, loaded 4dos instead of command.com as shell and multitasked with ease on DOS 5.0a, -- I loved seeing 703Kb listed under the column "memory under 640Kb !" Luckily I avoided the stinking pit of 4.xx
Once Windows 95 was announced, I used DR-DOS 7, but it wasn't a perfect plugin for MS-DOS. I had to do some hacking to get the cd-drive recognized (had to link drcdx to mscdx IIRC) and networking sucked big time.
Then I discovered Linux.
The DOS included in W98/SE was, as you say, MS' best.
However, I still have an orginal-license (free for private use on unlimited instances) Caldera DR-DOS 7.03 image on my hard disk just in case I need a DOS for some reason. That was one great DOS!
Yes, I remember. I misspoke. IBM gave a lot of code to MS-DOS (which, when sold by IBM, was called IBM-DOS). So MS was not the sole developer of DOS, and it is possible IBM contributed the buggy parts.
But if that is so, why was OS/2 (developed FOR IBM BY MS originally) so, well, weird?
In the interests of truth, you are right; I left out their contributions to BASIC (I believe it was jointly developed at some point with Apple) and Bill Gates himself did some work on that groundbreaking program, but probably it was others who did most of the programming work with Gates being the bulldog who tried to drive payment for the program, which had gotten into the wild. There are some charming emails from Gates warning users about pirating BASIC circulating om the internet.
However, their huge success in relicensing seems to have driven their business plan after 1982.
This short history summary shows that Microsoft's roots are in marketing, not programming. Once they obtained their license from SCP, they were responsible for DOS' development alone, and we eventually got MS-DOS 4.0, 4.01, 4.02.....4.22, 5.0 (( don't remember any bugixes for that one), 6.0, 6.01, 6.02, etc. NB: some of the interim 6.x changes series were for stealing compression technology from a competitor.
Thier buggy software continued right the 20th century till XP (2001)
It took them a long time to learn to program, and, now, their marketing is shooting themselves in their feet.
Geeks who run with anarchists will be the first the anarchists turn on when "authorities" are gone. The greenback has an important phrase printed thereon "For all debts public and private" (within the USA.) Bitcoin has no such mandate.
And,. yes, people did abandon the greenback in the sense the greenback worth.05 oz. of gold was replaced by one worth.028 oz. in 1934.
Two hundred-thirty-some years after independence, dollars are still circulating because people believe in them. Still, there are those old-fashioned enough to disbelieve in "new" currencies and hoard an even more ancient and worthless material -- gold. And there are nearly three billion people who live in nations where gold is more desired than fiat currencies.
The world does not move as fast as true-believing miners would have us believe. Those who drink the crypto-curremcy kool-aid are clearly operating out of some fervor based entirely on faith, not logic.
That's quite OK, as economics is simply applied mass psychology, more or less, and not a hard science. So one can excuse geeks' lack of understanding of the subject. But to ignore the impolsion of this particular crypto currency at this time is absurd.
I am thunderstruck by the irony of the mind-blowing promise of this technique and the "most radical" use that the lead author can dream up (according to the Register, anyway, which has a reputation to me of overhyping a story and burying leads): A comfy chair made of high-tech volatile-memory foam which needs to eat.
Another irony: the original TFA appears to be paywalled so we mortals get to read the Register's digest of it. Maybe some advanced-degree reader of Nature can come up with some more original (and profitable, to boot) use for this technique. I mean, quantum dots, gold nanowires and such can conceivably lead to computational devices, can't they? Can this be used to extend Moore's Law further into the future?
Westerners are selling gold to Indians and Chinese because many of those people have no banks nor insurance policies for breadwinners; in this context, gold or silver in jewelry form has been a traditional source of security as well as bodily adornment.
In much of Asia, Africa, South America and the Caribbean, it is the custom for one to have gold tooth crowns to be sure to be able to pay for one's own burial.
It can be said, based on population figures, that the total world demand for jewelry/investment gold will be larger than the demand for crypto-currencies for some time to come.
LA's cops department is notoriously incompetent -- need I quote chapter and verse? -- and, perhaps the civic leaders see this as a substitute for real police work.
If so, perhaps the courts, in their infinite wisdom, will rein these devices in. If not, well, who cares? They can track my movements through my iPad or mobile phone anyway.
Crank away on that points-equipped car -- the ignition coil will be fried, and so will the copper windings in the starter and altern/generator.
There were no solid-state chips then, and, still, unconnected telegraph receivers were tapping away receiving imaginary messages from the ZOMG to earth.
if there's anyone left who can remember how to operate them then.
Seven years ago I met a former chief operator for Connecticut Yankee nuclear plant no.2; he had just been let go from the governing body at Stanford responsible for setting curriculum for nuclear plant operators, due to cutbacks in (federal) funding.
We speculated then that the U.S. would someday see the need for building new or updating existing nuclear power plants. So, what was obvious to us then, seems to be the future.
And, yes, finding qualified engineers to run the plants will be very, very difficult.
Toward a digital Tarot. From Wikipedia : Tarot: "From the late 18th century until the present time the tarot has also found use by mystics and occultists in efforts at divination or as a map of mental and spiritual pathways...."
What, exactly, is the difference between a digital map of "closely connected symbolic nodes" on a network and a "map of mental and spiritual pathways?
This is what a bubble feels like to users; to dispassionate observers, the similarities to the 1997-1999 period are striking with respect to the hubris of software writers/producers/peddlers. The general public does not like to be so coerced, and, eventually, use some relatively minor but well-publicized event to abandon the scam.
Someday, abandoning apps and maybe the internet itself will seem cool to youth. Why not a network made up of only known friends? It would be the ultimate clique -- a paradise for 15-year-olds.
History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes (thankyoo Mark Twain.)
Some years ago in motor racing's Formula 1 competitions, when computer-controllers were in their infancy, Ferrari ran into driver problems -- they kept burning up tires and/or crashing. As it was well-known at the time that Ferrari motors were more powerful than their competition, there was a lot of "expert" press and fanboy head-scratching.
In the off-season, FIAT (Ferrari's parent company) bought Wind RIver RTS, which ran as 32-bit instead of 16, giving Ferraris more even (deeper bit depth) throttle response. Result? The next two seasons, no one could catch them, crashing was a thing of the past and so was excessive tire wear from wheelspin as the drivers had finer control of traction through their right foot.
Eventually, other teams went to 32-bit RT and Ferrari's dominance has waned..
You never know when a RTOS will make the difference.
Sounds like a bad idea to me, a civilian. It reminds me of the old saw about the man who "knows nearly everything about almost nothing."
Unless world population continues to rise exponentially, I fear this proof is doomed to oblivion for lack of anyone who cares and has the ability to check it.
Thank you for your comments. I've been a fan of the E concept from when I first heard of it, waaay back, maybe from the time I was on RH-6.2.
From time to time I tried it out, but it never ran smoothly until the first Bodhi release. At the time, I was in a hurry, and crunchbang just worked out of the box for me.
Frankly, I have not tried compiling it myself, but as I am tonight installing SolydK (yes, KDE!) I'll try compiling it from your clean source, to make sure I'm being fair to you guys. I haven't had much luck compiling programs under Ubuntu and derivatives, but since Solyd is Debian, it might work.
Any advice with respect to stability in everyday use --.17 or.18?
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I greatly preferred Xtree.
note: ytree for Linux is a near-perfect clone of xtree for DOS. I still use it.
Maybe it is. I don;'t use DOS anymore, though I am tempted to resurrect some games I'd played which have gone obsolete; the Sierra racing series, f'rexample.
I notice Sparky Linux Gamer's edition ships with FreeDOS.
Yep! My memories of those days are not as clear as yours, but now that you mention it, yes, 5.0a was the man. I didn't use stacker, but Norton Utilities was in my toolkit since I got my first personal computer loaded with DOS 3.6. When I finally got a 386 processor and could access extended memory, I loaded QEMM and Sidekick, loaded 4dos instead of command.com as shell and multitasked with ease on DOS 5.0a, -- I loved seeing 703Kb listed under the column "memory under 640Kb !" Luckily I avoided the stinking pit of 4.xx
Once Windows 95 was announced, I used DR-DOS 7, but it wasn't a perfect plugin for MS-DOS. I had to do some hacking to get the cd-drive recognized (had to link drcdx to mscdx IIRC) and networking sucked big time.
Then I discovered Linux.
The DOS included in W98/SE was, as you say, MS' best.
However, I still have an orginal-license (free for private use on unlimited instances) Caldera DR-DOS 7.03 image on my hard disk just in case I need a DOS for some reason. That was one great DOS!
Yes, I remember. I misspoke. IBM gave a lot of code to MS-DOS (which, when sold by IBM, was called IBM-DOS). So MS was not the sole developer of DOS, and it is possible IBM contributed the buggy parts.
But if that is so, why was OS/2 (developed FOR IBM BY MS originally) so, well, weird?
In the interests of truth, you are right; I left out their contributions to BASIC (I believe it was jointly developed at some point with Apple) and Bill Gates himself did some work on that groundbreaking program, but probably it was others who did most of the programming work with Gates being the bulldog who tried to drive payment for the program, which had gotten into the wild. There are some charming emails from Gates warning users about pirating BASIC circulating om the internet.
However, their huge success in relicensing seems to have driven their business plan after 1982.
This short history summary shows that Microsoft's roots are in marketing, not programming. Once they obtained their license from SCP, they were responsible for DOS' development alone, and we eventually got MS-DOS 4.0, 4.01, 4.02.....4.22, 5.0 (( don't remember any bugixes for that one), 6.0, 6.01, 6.02, etc. NB: some of the interim 6.x changes series were for stealing compression technology from a competitor.
Thier buggy software continued right the 20th century till XP (2001)
It took them a long time to learn to program, and, now, their marketing is shooting themselves in their feet.
Long live MS (not.)
Geeks who run with anarchists will be the first the anarchists turn on when "authorities" are gone. The greenback has an important phrase printed thereon "For all debts public and private" (within the USA.) Bitcoin has no such mandate.
And,. yes, people did abandon the greenback in the sense the greenback worth .05 oz. of gold was replaced by one worth .028 oz. in 1934.
Two hundred-thirty-some years after independence, dollars are still circulating because people believe in them. Still, there are those old-fashioned enough to disbelieve in "new" currencies and hoard an even more ancient and worthless material -- gold. And there are nearly three billion people who live in nations where gold is more desired than fiat currencies.
The world does not move as fast as true-believing miners would have us believe. Those who drink the crypto-curremcy kool-aid are clearly operating out of some fervor based entirely on faith, not logic.
That's quite OK, as economics is simply applied mass psychology, more or less, and not a hard science. So one can excuse geeks' lack of understanding of the subject. But to ignore the impolsion of this particular crypto currency at this time is absurd.
I am thunderstruck by the irony of the mind-blowing promise of this technique and the "most radical" use that the lead author can dream up (according to the Register, anyway, which has a reputation to me of overhyping a story and burying leads): A comfy chair made of high-tech volatile-memory foam which needs to eat.
Another irony: the original TFA appears to be paywalled so we mortals get to read the Register's digest of it. Maybe some advanced-degree reader of Nature can come up with some more original (and profitable, to boot) use for this technique. I mean, quantum dots, gold nanowires and such can conceivably lead to computational devices, can't they? Can this be used to extend Moore's Law further into the future?
Westerners are selling gold to Indians and Chinese because many of those people have no banks nor insurance policies for breadwinners; in this context, gold or silver in jewelry form has been a traditional source of security as well as bodily adornment.
In much of Asia, Africa, South America and the Caribbean, it is the custom for one to have gold tooth crowns to be sure to be able to pay for one's own burial.
It can be said, based on population figures, that the total world demand for jewelry/investment gold will be larger than the demand for crypto-currencies for some time to come.
And until a hundred years ago, cartels were legal, too. Two hundred years ago, the slave trade was going strong in parts of the USA.
Just goes to show.
LA's cops department is notoriously incompetent -- need I quote chapter and verse? -- and, perhaps the civic leaders see this as a substitute for real police work.
If so, perhaps the courts, in their infinite wisdom, will rein these devices in. If not, well, who cares? They can track my movements through my iPad or mobile phone anyway.
Where do I sign up for the tour of the Gulag?
Crank away on that points-equipped car -- the ignition coil will be fried, and so will the copper windings in the starter and altern/generator.
There were no solid-state chips then, and, still, unconnected telegraph receivers were tapping away receiving imaginary messages from the ZOMG to earth.
if there's anyone left who can remember how to operate them then.
Seven years ago I met a former chief operator for Connecticut Yankee nuclear plant no.2; he had just been let go from the governing body at Stanford responsible for setting curriculum for nuclear plant operators, due to cutbacks in (federal) funding.
We speculated then that the U.S. would someday see the need for building new or updating existing nuclear power plants. So, what was obvious to us then, seems to be the future.
And, yes, finding qualified engineers to run the plants will be very, very difficult.
Toward a digital Tarot. From Wikipedia : Tarot: "From the late 18th century until the present time the tarot has also found use by mystics and occultists in efforts at divination or as a map of mental and spiritual pathways...."
What, exactly, is the difference between a digital map of "closely connected symbolic nodes" on a network and a "map of mental and spiritual pathways?
This is what a bubble feels like to users; to dispassionate observers, the similarities to the 1997-1999 period are striking with respect to the hubris of software writers/producers/peddlers. The general public does not like to be so coerced, and, eventually, use some relatively minor but well-publicized event to abandon the scam.
Someday, abandoning apps and maybe the internet itself will seem cool to youth. Why not a network made up of only known friends? It would be the ultimate clique -- a paradise for 15-year-olds.
History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes (thankyoo Mark Twain.)
Now, think about what you're saying: that fineness of control means nothing in a racing car.
Do you stand by that opnion?
Some years ago in motor racing's Formula 1 competitions, when computer-controllers were in their infancy, Ferrari ran into driver problems -- they kept burning up tires and/or crashing. As it was well-known at the time that Ferrari motors were more powerful than their competition, there was a lot of "expert" press and fanboy head-scratching.
In the off-season, FIAT (Ferrari's parent company) bought Wind RIver RTS, which ran as 32-bit instead of 16, giving Ferraris more even (deeper bit depth) throttle response. Result? The next two seasons, no one could catch them, crashing was a thing of the past and so was excessive tire wear from wheelspin as the drivers had finer control of traction through their right foot.
Eventually, other teams went to 32-bit RT and Ferrari's dominance has waned..
You never know when a RTOS will make the difference.
Sounds like a bad idea to me, a civilian. It reminds me of the old saw about the man who "knows nearly everything about almost nothing."
Unless world population continues to rise exponentially, I fear this proof is doomed to oblivion for lack of anyone who cares and has the ability to check it.
When I logged into /. just now, this story was at the top of the page.
I had to look twice at the masthead to make sure I wasn't on the Onion page.
Good work, usually humorless /.ers!
BWAAHAAA!
I used bb for six or eight years on Red Hat 6.2.
I now prefer a ready-made desktop so I can get some work done.
Too old to play with WMs.
Thank you for your comments. I've been a fan of the E concept from when I first heard of it, waaay back, maybe from the time I was on RH-6.2.
From time to time I tried it out, but it never ran smoothly until the first Bodhi release. At the time, I was in a hurry, and crunchbang just worked out of the box for me.
Frankly, I have not tried compiling it myself, but as I am tonight installing SolydK (yes, KDE!) I'll try compiling it from your clean source, to make sure I'm being fair to you guys. I haven't had much luck compiling programs under Ubuntu and derivatives, but since Solyd is Debian, it might work.
Any advice with respect to stability in everyday use -- .17 or .18?
The first install was after the stable version was released. I misspoke on Bodhi, though; I had trouble with 2.2 -- the newest stable, not 2.0.
I'd love to see E succeed after all these years of promise. But I installed from Debian some time ago and it immediately crashed (E17).
I tried Bodhi in its 2.0 version (E17), and the file manager crashed on certain themes, but the DE didn't go down.
Perhaps the E-team could make a truly stable version before moving on to more esoteric goals?
Please? I'm so tired of XFCE....and too old for blackbox.
"I've drawn my own conclusion" is not to recommend anyone else draw the same one.
Some people have won the Power Ball lottery more than once, although most people lose.