The Non-Professional tools team builds software to enable new, hobbyist, and other non-professional programmers - as well as complete non-programmers - to build and share their work.
Because working with anything but IE would be, you know, Professional.
I might as well boycot Debian because it's under the auspices of GWB. Is this Wolfgang Schaeuble guy trying to taking credit for or promote free software? I'd be so very happy with GWB for the same that I might forgive him for the invasion of Iraq. Back in reality, one has nothing to do with the other.
The best way to defeat your enemies is to make them into friends.
I think the fact that you can't see any Vista boxes has more to do with your eyes-shut, fingers-in-ears style of OS assessment.
So, where do you see Vista? I'd like to know where this "fastest selling windoze evar" is going and stay away from it.
I work at LSU. People buy new computers there all the time and I'd tell you if I saw Vista at the Union where I eat every other day. I see lots of Macs but almost no GNU/Linux. If Vista was really selling and people were using it, I'd see as much or more of it than I see Macs because more people at LSU buy PCs than they buy Macs. Given the M$ Ambassadors program, I'd expect to see at least one or two paid showings, but I don't.
The same kind of thing can be said everywhere. Vista is not really being used.
Poor Microsoft. They ignore fact that the larger market demands more sales and lie about time scale. That means Vista is even not doing as well as XP did. XP took years to equal all their other versions and was their slowest forced upgrade to date. Meanwhile GNU/Linux continue to errode their total share. Looks like trouble to me. Sooner or later these games are going to blow up on them.
I'll be entertained to see how some Slashdotters twist this into being "bad for Microsoft" or something.... Fastest-selling OS in history.
I'll be happy to entertain you and it's easy to do. Vista is not the fastest selling OS in history because M$ is lying as usual.
Really, look around, do you see any Vista boxes? I don't, not nearly even a tenth of the number of Macs. Let me put it to you another way, I don't see any at all. M$ hand waving is not going to change the situation.
How's this bad for M$? They have stuffed their channels and are losing credibility. Vista not selling is a loser for everyone stuck with the coppies, the money is not flowing in. For the channels, it flowed out so fast they are talking about selling GNU/Linux. In a quarter or two M$ is going to collapse in an Enron style accounting scandal.
but I doubt he'd consider what's said here useful.
No, really, what are we supposed to do, sit on our hands while M$NBC, GE, Westinghouse, Disney, Fortune and other big media owners trumpet this bullshit? I don't think so.
In this thread I've learned what Torvalds and Schwartz have to say about these supposed M$ patents. Both think M$ is full of shit, which directly negates the Fortune spin which had the business world lining up behind a real violation. Business outside of M$ is ready for M$ to go away and there is no violation. Once again, M$ is bluffing instead of delivering something their customers want.
Twitter was a little over the top, but the message is clear. If you did not understand, the problem can likely be found in the bony matter between your ears.
when she first published that initial article she was branded an idiot - predictably, I might add. But now everything's A-OK and she's picky and satisfied.
The only idiot here is you. The software has improved.
Yeah, I completely lose data all the time under "M$ Windoze" and have never lost any under any other OS. After all, backups are for pussies.
I'll bet you do, even after you spend a lot of time on backups. Everyone knows that WinDOS wants the whole hard drive. Why is it hard for you to understand the user's fears?
You are not just out of touch with GNU/Linux, you are out of touch with WinDOS and reality. I hope that's intentional.
I wonder what nick names will be found for this product?
Plain "M$tick", pronounced "shit stick" springs to mind. Let's parse out some M$ suggestions and tortured language to see what we can do with what we know:
Zune has "squirting" for involuntary and DRM encumbered "sharing" by billboards and coffee shop patrons. - Gross.
I'll be sure to ask my employer to open up the firewall to I can "sftp" into my home box. That sounds a lot easier than an automated ~/ mount from a four-inch thumbdrive I can carry around in my pocket.
You can run sftp on any port you want, so you don't have to ask anyone for anything.
If your boss shares the extreme ignorance and paranoia expressed in the first sentence, nothing you want will work. Your employer epoxied the USB ports years ago and will never purchase or turn on whatever will allow your marvelous automounting security hole.
Deny what, flocktard? That "Windoze" comes "preloaded with spyware"? Whoa, that's going to prove just damn hard. I can't imagine why anyone would actually say that other than not nowing any better or being paid to spew retarded FUD about Microsoft.
I love how you losers get all angry when people say bad things about M$. What have they ever done for you?
SEO =! underhanded tactics. Sometimes SEO can be as simple as a sane site structure and standards compliant bot-readable content. It's often lots of other spammy things, but it doesn't necesserily make sense to assume that's what's going on.
Now that Google owns them, we will learn just how slimy they were. It's in Google's best interest to expose manipulation of their business model and show how they can fight it, preferably using the very same fraudsters.
Calling this a conflict of interest assumes first that bad things were going on and second they will continue that way. Doubleclick has a spammy reputation already, so the first assumption may be good. The second assumption is laughable. If Google wanted to sell out they would do so directly but doing so would destroy them.
With a general purpose language tied to a drawing library I can make custom graphics? Holy crap, who would have thought.
LibGD was made for this but does more now. There are lots of applications to do the same but "use libGD" is a good tip for people who want to make dynamic images and graphs for web pages from data.
For those of us who just want to generate some simple graphs for papers and such, what do people use? I've messed with Excel, gnuplot, R, and now I'm using ploticus.
gnuplot is very powerful. It has fitting with regression analysis, reports reduced chi squared and other math muscle stuff for papers all from text files.
Gnumeric is a good replacement for excel. It's resource light and the math is correct. It does simple graphs for papers and such.
you run sshd on any port other than 22... Joe and Josephine User don't run services, or at least shouldn't. Gone are the days of Linux shipping with tons of services turned on by default - they must be configured and started by the owner.
Off by default is a good policy but people should be encouraged to share and the ability to do so without being screwed is one of the biggest benefits of free software. OpenBSD's sftp is excellent and well implemented on GNU/Linux systems. It can only be brute force attacked by guessing passwords and a reasonable passphrase based password should be used rather than moving ports. Moving ports makes it hard for your friends to find what you want them to find, which adds to the difficulty already imposed by ISPs crimping upload speeds and forcing IP4 and dhcp. The bandwith wasted by ssh attacks is trial, but if you have a lot of that it's not an ssh attack, it's a denial of service. Browsers like konqueror navigate sftp as if it were a local protocol and this is a much nicer set up than the PHP based work around for html interactivity and sharing. People want a safe and secure way to share their pictures and other works. Free software gives them that with the small burden of choosing good passwords. Poblems incurred through linux file serving are trivial next to those the average Windoze user has to put up with from just plugging into the network. They have to get weekly patches, run multiple AV/spyware detectors but still can't share and still get screwed over.
This really goes back to an incident where "Erris" here (actually his other suckpuppet account) dared someone to provide proof that any "GNU/Linux" machine was in a botnet.
You are putting words into my mouth or someone else's. From other comments you've made, I'd say you were doing it on purpose as part of your pathetic Microsoft defense.
The truth of the matter is very simple. GNU/Linux comes out of the box spyware and malware free and is easy to keep that way. Windoze comes loaded with spyware and soon gets more without any help from the user other than normal browsing and email, sometimes from just plugging the box into a network. Windoze should never be used where data integrity or confidentiality is an issue. Even if it were possible to secure, it costs more and takes much more effort while delivering lower performance and fewer features. I can't imagine why anyone would deny this other than not knowing any better or working for Microsoft or both.
Wow, more than five modpoints wasted trying to eliminate this thread. I'm flattered by the attention, but annoyed by people not getting to read about how Microsoft's search engine is worse and how none of this would be a problem if IE and Windows were not such sorry systems.
My question is, if a malicious piece of malware get delivered to someone via a Google Ad on my site am I going to get sued? If my AdWords are just a ticking litigious timebomb maybe I should take them down....
The title was, "Who's at fault?" The answer is obviously Microsoft. It's their browser getting blown out and no one else's. Their search engine is also turning up more malware than Google.
I can't imagine you being sued because someone tricked Google and then did something nasty to someone else's computer. Honyepot is going after the spammers right now and they are the people who will pay eventually. It would be nice if the companies that sponsored them and paid for their bad works would be held responsible, but I doubt American Express, Home Depot, American Airlines and others will ever pay. Don't deprive yourself of revenue because M$ IE has problems. Ultimately, this is someone else's fault and problem.
Yes, it's a slam if you only report half the issue. All of the search engines have this "problem" and M$ has it worse than others. The unmentioned root cause of the issue is a crappy browser and OS that's easy to exploit, yet somehow it's all Google's fault. That is a Google slam.
This is par for the course in the Wintel press world. The article ends up being an advertisement for Site Advisor, which is just another Windoze band-aid. The reporter who wrote this article needed to do some more research. Because they did not, they ended up slamming Google.
If someone clicked a booby-trapped sponsored link they were the ad would redirect their browser through URLs that attempted to automatically download a virus program (MSO6-014) onto their computers before passing them along to the actual sites that were advertised.
The problem is that so many people use a crappy browser that allows the attacks. Malicious people are going to put their stuff on the web and that's not Google's fault. To top it all off, Google is doing a better job fighting the problem than Microsoft's own search.
The further away you get from M$, the better off you are.
If someone clicked a booby-trapped sponsored link they were the ad would redirect their browser through URLs that attempted to automatically download a virus program (MSO6-014) onto their computers before passing them along to the actual sites that were advertised.
The problem is that so many people use a crappy browser that allows the attacks. Malicious people are going to put their stuff on the web and that's not Google's fault. To top it all off, Google is doing a better job fighting the problem than Microsoft's own search.
The further away you get from M$, the better off you are.
Now I remember why this topic seems familiar. M$'s search engines were recently shown to have far more malware than others. So it's a double M$ issue - they suck on the desktop and people take advantage of their search engine to blow out users of both.
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Because working with anything but IE would be, you know, Professional.
I might as well boycot Debian because it's under the auspices of GWB. Is this Wolfgang Schaeuble guy trying to taking credit for or promote free software? I'd be so very happy with GWB for the same that I might forgive him for the invasion of Iraq. Back in reality, one has nothing to do with the other.
The best way to defeat your enemies is to make them into friends.
So is it bad news because it might be shut down or is it good news that an uncensored video site will be born an easy to use?
Wow, someone who's worked in a BWR down modded in less than ten minutes. Nice work, trolls.
Clueless Windoze user Macthorpe writes:
I'm surprised you could find the four you claim.
What I see is Walmart selling a wide-screen HP Vista Premium laptop for $800.
Great, but is anyone buying it? Once they buy it do they keep Vista? The answer looks like no and no. Vista is bad and M$'s push is hurting PC sales.
I think the fact that you can't see any Vista boxes has more to do with your eyes-shut, fingers-in-ears style of OS assessment.
So, where do you see Vista? I'd like to know where this "fastest selling windoze evar" is going and stay away from it.
I work at LSU. People buy new computers there all the time and I'd tell you if I saw Vista at the Union where I eat every other day. I see lots of Macs but almost no GNU/Linux. If Vista was really selling and people were using it, I'd see as much or more of it than I see Macs because more people at LSU buy PCs than they buy Macs. Given the M$ Ambassadors program, I'd expect to see at least one or two paid showings, but I don't.
The same kind of thing can be said everywhere. Vista is not really being used.
Poor Microsoft. They ignore fact that the larger market demands more sales and lie about time scale. That means Vista is even not doing as well as XP did. XP took years to equal all their other versions and was their slowest forced upgrade to date. Meanwhile GNU/Linux continue to errode their total share. Looks like trouble to me. Sooner or later these games are going to blow up on them.
I'll be entertained to see how some Slashdotters twist this into being "bad for Microsoft" or something. ... Fastest-selling OS in history.
I'll be happy to entertain you and it's easy to do. Vista is not the fastest selling OS in history because M$ is lying as usual.
Really, look around, do you see any Vista boxes? I don't, not nearly even a tenth of the number of Macs. Let me put it to you another way, I don't see any at all. M$ hand waving is not going to change the situation.
How's this bad for M$? They have stuffed their channels and are losing credibility. Vista not selling is a loser for everyone stuck with the coppies, the money is not flowing in. For the channels, it flowed out so fast they are talking about selling GNU/Linux. In a quarter or two M$ is going to collapse in an Enron style accounting scandal.
but I doubt he'd consider what's said here useful.
No, really, what are we supposed to do, sit on our hands while M$NBC, GE, Westinghouse, Disney, Fortune and other big media owners trumpet this bullshit? I don't think so.
In this thread I've learned what Torvalds and Schwartz have to say about these supposed M$ patents. Both think M$ is full of shit, which directly negates the Fortune spin which had the business world lining up behind a real violation. Business outside of M$ is ready for M$ to go away and there is no violation. Once again, M$ is bluffing instead of delivering something their customers want.
Twitter was a little over the top, but the message is clear. If you did not understand, the problem can likely be found in the bony matter between your ears.
when she first published that initial article she was branded an idiot - predictably, I might add. But now everything's A-OK and she's picky and satisfied.
The only idiot here is you. The software has improved.
Yeah, I completely lose data all the time under "M$ Windoze" and have never lost any under any other OS. After all, backups are for pussies.
I'll bet you do, even after you spend a lot of time on backups. Everyone knows that WinDOS wants the whole hard drive. Why is it hard for you to understand the user's fears?
You are not just out of touch with GNU/Linux, you are out of touch with WinDOS and reality. I hope that's intentional.
I wonder what nick names will be found for this product?
Plain "M$tick", pronounced "shit stick" springs to mind. Let's parse out some M$ suggestions and tortured language to see what we can do with what we know:
What will they wow us with now that can possibly match and combine all of the above?
I'll be sure to ask my employer to open up the firewall to I can "sftp" into my home box. That sounds a lot easier than an automated ~/ mount from a four-inch thumbdrive I can carry around in my pocket.
You can run sftp on any port you want, so you don't have to ask anyone for anything.
If your boss shares the extreme ignorance and paranoia expressed in the first sentence, nothing you want will work. Your employer epoxied the USB ports years ago and will never purchase or turn on whatever will allow your marvelous automounting security hole.
Deny what, flocktard? That "Windoze" comes "preloaded with spyware"? Whoa, that's going to prove just damn hard. I can't imagine why anyone would actually say that other than not nowing any better or being paid to spew retarded FUD about Microsoft.
I love how you losers get all angry when people say bad things about M$. What have they ever done for you?
SEO =! underhanded tactics. Sometimes SEO can be as simple as a sane site structure and standards compliant bot-readable content. It's often lots of other spammy things, but it doesn't necesserily make sense to assume that's what's going on.
Now that Google owns them, we will learn just how slimy they were. It's in Google's best interest to expose manipulation of their business model and show how they can fight it, preferably using the very same fraudsters.
Calling this a conflict of interest assumes first that bad things were going on and second they will continue that way. Doubleclick has a spammy reputation already, so the first assumption may be good. The second assumption is laughable. If Google wanted to sell out they would do so directly but doing so would destroy them.
With a general purpose language tied to a drawing library I can make custom graphics? Holy crap, who would have thought.
LibGD was made for this but does more now. There are lots of applications to do the same but "use libGD" is a good tip for people who want to make dynamic images and graphs for web pages from data.
For those of us who just want to generate some simple graphs for papers and such, what do people use? I've messed with Excel, gnuplot, R, and now I'm using ploticus.
gnuplot is very powerful. It has fitting with regression analysis, reports reduced chi squared and other math muscle stuff for papers all from text files.
Gnumeric is a good replacement for excel. It's resource light and the math is correct. It does simple graphs for papers and such.
you run sshd on any port other than 22 ... Joe and Josephine User don't run services, or at least shouldn't. Gone are the days of Linux shipping with tons of services turned on by default - they must be configured and started by the owner.
Off by default is a good policy but people should be encouraged to share and the ability to do so without being screwed is one of the biggest benefits of free software. OpenBSD's sftp is excellent and well implemented on GNU/Linux systems. It can only be brute force attacked by guessing passwords and a reasonable passphrase based password should be used rather than moving ports. Moving ports makes it hard for your friends to find what you want them to find, which adds to the difficulty already imposed by ISPs crimping upload speeds and forcing IP4 and dhcp. The bandwith wasted by ssh attacks is trial, but if you have a lot of that it's not an ssh attack, it's a denial of service. Browsers like konqueror navigate sftp as if it were a local protocol and this is a much nicer set up than the PHP based work around for html interactivity and sharing. People want a safe and secure way to share their pictures and other works. Free software gives them that with the small burden of choosing good passwords. Poblems incurred through linux file serving are trivial next to those the average Windoze user has to put up with from just plugging into the network. They have to get weekly patches, run multiple AV/spyware detectors but still can't share and still get screwed over.
This really goes back to an incident where "Erris" here (actually his other suckpuppet account) dared someone to provide proof that any "GNU/Linux" machine was in a botnet.
You are putting words into my mouth or someone else's. From other comments you've made, I'd say you were doing it on purpose as part of your pathetic Microsoft defense.
The truth of the matter is very simple. GNU/Linux comes out of the box spyware and malware free and is easy to keep that way. Windoze comes loaded with spyware and soon gets more without any help from the user other than normal browsing and email, sometimes from just plugging the box into a network. Windoze should never be used where data integrity or confidentiality is an issue. Even if it were possible to secure, it costs more and takes much more effort while delivering lower performance and fewer features. I can't imagine why anyone would deny this other than not knowing any better or working for Microsoft or both.
Wow, more than five modpoints wasted trying to eliminate this thread. I'm flattered by the attention, but annoyed by people not getting to read about how Microsoft's search engine is worse and how none of this would be a problem if IE and Windows were not such sorry systems.
My question is, if a malicious piece of malware get delivered to someone via a Google Ad on my site am I going to get sued? If my AdWords are just a ticking litigious timebomb maybe I should take them down....
The title was, "Who's at fault?" The answer is obviously Microsoft. It's their browser getting blown out and no one else's. Their search engine is also turning up more malware than Google.
I can't imagine you being sued because someone tricked Google and then did something nasty to someone else's computer. Honyepot is going after the spammers right now and they are the people who will pay eventually. It would be nice if the companies that sponsored them and paid for their bad works would be held responsible, but I doubt American Express, Home Depot, American Airlines and others will ever pay. Don't deprive yourself of revenue because M$ IE has problems. Ultimately, this is someone else's fault and problem.
The Bungi Troll asks:
So reporting an issue is a "slam" now?
Yes, it's a slam if you only report half the issue. All of the search engines have this "problem" and M$ has it worse than others. The unmentioned root cause of the issue is a crappy browser and OS that's easy to exploit, yet somehow it's all Google's fault. That is a Google slam.
This is par for the course in the Wintel press world. The article ends up being an advertisement for Site Advisor, which is just another Windoze band-aid. The reporter who wrote this article needed to do some more research. Because they did not, they ended up slamming Google.
From the fine article:
The problem is that so many people use a crappy browser that allows the attacks. Malicious people are going to put their stuff on the web and that's not Google's fault. To top it all off, Google is doing a better job fighting the problem than Microsoft's own search.
The further away you get from M$, the better off you are.
From the fine article:
Now I remember why this topic seems familiar. M$'s search engines were recently shown to have far more malware than others. So it's a double M$ issue - they suck on the desktop and people take advantage of their search engine to blow out users of both.
Microsoft's search excels in spreading malware. How's that for cold water on this Google slam?