it keeps people who don't belong on the internet off of it! and they want to proprietarize their network or access methods? good! go for it! the further removed the masses are from the internet, all the better for research..
what really gets me about this article is how it says that the internet was great for the research community, but terrible for the commercial community.. well DUH!!! who do they think makes the commercial world possible?? RESEARCHERS!! and what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other..
inertia makes the world go 'round, not money..
Science is what advances technology, not marketing!
alas, no use.. there will be war between noblemen and businessmen.. go nietzsche..
All of those things are physical world items, not duplicatable infinitly without depletion.. Food is the closest, but it's not pure.
People so often forget that information, though a noun, is duplicatable infinitly without depletion.
If I know 10 things and you know 2 things, and I tell you everything I know, and you tell me everything you know, we both know 12 things. we've BOTH profited, without losing anything..
but noooooo, dumbasses like the RIAA, the MPAA, and good ol' M$, would rather you not remember basic Information Theory(tm)
Please give us advice on how to help our Parent Company(tm) get a sister site out of potential legal trouble by discussing it in our forum and help us tell the Little Guy(tm) to go to http://www.hell.com
ALL OF YOU have mp3s.. even you morons complaining about how "Illegal" they all are..
ALL of you have them.. ALL of you.. even in the RIAA.
The nature of mp3s is that once you find out what they are.. you want them.. they're miserably easy to obtain, before you know it, and illegal or not, suddenly you find you have a formidable collection.. END OF STORY.
Information isn't like spaghetti.. if I cook a pot of spaghetti and you take half, I'm left with 50% less speghetti.. If I have a piece of information, which you duplicate... I have NO LESS information than I started with.
THOSE are the New Rules(tm).. Right or wrong, that's what they are. If existing Copyright/Trademark/Patent Law doesn't FIT into the New Rules(tm).. GUESS which is GOING to HAVE to change.. I'll give you a hint.. It won't be Information Theory.
What factors were involved in choosing slashdot as a forum for a discussion/interview about internet campaigning and voting techniques? Was it an entirely technical motovation, based on the idea that us of the technical persuasion in the audience might have insight on whether or not we felt it was a reasonable and rational approach to campaigning and/or perhaps even voting on the Internet? (IMHO, Jesse Ventura has ALREADY done an excellent job of answering the feasability issue.) Or are there political motivations behind this interview, where which in your anwers the audience will be showered with many pro-Gore-thinks-this-internet-thingy-is-cool-isms and turn out not to truly be of much insight about the technical/social issues that the Slashdot Audience is likely to be far more interested in? In case it is perhaps the former, wouldn't it have made more sense to have put this under the Ask Slashdot category, and have assumed that the Slashdot Audience's input on the matter is actually -more- important that the Gore Campaign Camp's opinions on Gore or Gore's approach to campaigning on the internet? In the case of the latter, does it occur to your that the majority of the people you are reaching in the Slashdot Audience are bound to see this as an unfair, lopsided approach to a campaign? One which is merely a transparent attempt to gain sympathy or support for a candidate we trust as far as any single one of us can throw the Empire State Building (And no, the other partys aren't worth trusting either)? It stands to reason that if the "Democrats" are here waving their flag all over our nice generally technical forum (a forum that inherently resents contemporary (American) politics in the FIRST place) that, for the sake of fairness, All other candidates Campaign Managers (or whoever you are) should be interviewed here as well.. or at the least your candidate's biggest opponent.
And finally, on the astronomically off chance that this ? gets posted in the interview, my apologies to Jon Katz (who I've personally never met, but whose work I dislike immensly) for generalizing the "Slashdot Audience".. =)
First, I shall beleaguer a point which can't be made enough times..
My ethnicity is in a minority. Without these words being in this message, you would otherwise have had no idea. Nor would you know which minority I was a part of if I also did not say. Nor do you necessarily know that I'm telling the truth.
This is the Information Age, the dawn of the Scientific Age, precursor to the Space Age... Humanity is at an unprecedented point in history. Humanity has constructed devices that potentially allow the entire species to communicate with one another regardless of location anywhere on the planet. Anyone who identifies with computer culture should recognize this, let us focus on the issues, for those who don't quite understand:
All racism is ignorance. Any other outlook on racism is incorrect.
Though we are not all racist, we [the human race] are all guilty of ignorance.
Ignorance is a disease which can be cured. In an emerging economy where knowledge truly is the power, the cure is beginning to reach everyone.
Teach people how to learn, and you've given them the only tool they need to combat their own ignorance. Be patient with those who never learned how to learn, even the racists.
Ignorance itself needs to become recognized as the real threat, people will come around when they realize we truly are all the same. Homo Sapiens is a mammal with a diverse range of pigment. Any two participants of opposite sexes who fall anywhere within that range of pigment are going to have fertile offspring, unlike the Mule or the Liger.
You know what this means? Whether you're a Creationist or a Darwinist, people are all the same. Any other outlook is ignorant. Teach your children, learn from your neighbors, use the Internet.
Great, fine, wonderful.. That'd work out perfect at 0 degrees in a vacuum. What is the stumbling block? Culture.
Culture is entirely extra-genetic. Culture defines how a person identifies with the society around him. Look at "Internet Culture", if there could be said to be one. Anyone who identifies with this culture already knows race is a dead issue, but the many many legacy cultures aren't really even aware there's such a thing as an "Internet", much less that an online culture exists in that medium which only recognizes one's knowledge level as being the difference between people. Legacy cultures will wind up on the net somehow, and there will be great social upheaval. This is especially true in America, a country built from the ground up on prejudice; the cotton fields, the railroads, the textile and garment industry, factories, service sector, ad nauseum..
I remember when floppy disks cost $50, then they were $50 for a box of 10, then they were free, then AOL started giving away CDs which lie face down in the street.. How long until little computers start getting bundled with MicroTimes, and anybody who can read, rich poor, whatever, is on the net for 40 free hours, with the option of subscribing or tossing the little device away?? then what?? no more Legacy Culture issues, we can go forth with our new tools, and tackle a brand new set of problems which won't be as petty as race.. God or genetics [take your pick] didn't care to make us all the same color, why should it matter to us?
VT
"And even after all my logic, AND my theory, I add a motherfucker, so you ig'nant niggas hear me." -- Lauryn Hill
I don't think it's in any American's best interest to let the cable companies anywhere NEAR their net access.. Isn't it bad enough that cable modem and webtv based technologies are tracking every packet you send, every channel you watch, how long you watch it, etc.. etc.. all nice and Ralph's Card style? What happened to privacy? However, I digress..
These lobbyists, and legislators don't seem to understand that though the 50,000 foot view doesn't portray any one cable company as having a monopolistic grip on the industry, they *do not* promote, offer, or even *allow* competition across certain lines.. The Cable companies seem to have learned their business practices from the Mafia.. I don't know anyone in the Southern California area (ie San Fernando Valley, Simi Valley, Agoura/Westlake, Santa Clarita, Burbank(tm), L.A., Hollywood, ad nauseum) that HAS a choice of cable companies. Nobody. It doesn't mean all that much to me, I haven't owned a TV in years.. But if that brand of Bullsh!t is threatening -MY- internet connection, -MY- ability to TX as fast as I can RX, raising the price without due justification, -not- giving me a choice of ISPs; -I- personally will act. See, funny thing about Internet technologies, they're two way streets.. Cable/Telco companies don't seem to understand that we the users can have as much effect on their networks as their own employees.. If the government won't regulate fair connection policies, the users.. the victims.. will.
So, I haven't read mention of how much of a marketing opportunity this is.. FreePCs notwithstanding, doesn't it behoove companies to spend money on educating their customers? They do it in other industries, why should the computer biz be any less interested in their customer's needs? Where are the big-biz or ISP-biz educational campaigns? Why aren't they being directed to inner-city households and schools?? not enough turnaround?? Raise the knowledge of the communities, raise thier desire to buy into your online business, raise their desire to identify with your products.. doesn't 2+2=4 anymore? Where have all the -real- capitalists gone? You nurture a market, it grows for you.
Slashdot Mirror
it keeps people who don't belong on the internet off of it! and they want to proprietarize their network or access methods? good! go for it! the further removed the masses are from the internet, all the better for research..
what really gets me about this article is how it says that the internet was great for the research community, but terrible for the commercial community.. well DUH!!! who do they think makes the commercial world possible?? RESEARCHERS!! and what is good for one is not necessarily good for the other..
inertia makes the world go 'round, not money..
Science is what advances technology, not marketing!
alas, no use.. there will be war between noblemen and businessmen.. go nietzsche..
vt
aah vertias, yes.. can I get the code for that?
yea, I guess that's why Solaris doesn't have a journaling filesystem, and GNU/Linux has 4(5?)
UFS vs. (JFS, XFS, GFS, ReiserFS, ext3(?), tuxFS(?)..
troll
Lame-o,
All of those things are physical world items, not duplicatable infinitly without depletion.. Food is the closest, but it's not pure.
People so often forget that information, though a noun, is duplicatable infinitly without depletion.
If I know 10 things and you know 2 things, and I tell you everything I know, and you tell me everything you know, we both know 12 things. we've BOTH profited, without losing anything..
but noooooo, dumbasses like the RIAA, the MPAA, and good ol' M$, would rather you not remember basic Information Theory(tm)
Thanks for playing.
Please give us advice on how to help our Parent Company(tm) get a sister site out of potential legal trouble by discussing it in our forum and help us tell the Little Guy(tm) to go to http://www.hell.com
ALL OF YOU have mp3s.. even you morons complaining about how "Illegal" they all are..
ALL of you have them.. ALL of you.. even in the RIAA.
The nature of mp3s is that once you find out what they are.. you want them.. they're miserably easy to obtain, before you know it, and illegal or not, suddenly you find you have a formidable collection.. END OF STORY.
Information isn't like spaghetti.. if I cook a pot of spaghetti and you take half, I'm left with 50% less speghetti.. If I have a piece of information, which you duplicate... I have NO LESS information than I started with.
THOSE are the New Rules(tm).. Right or wrong, that's what they are. If existing Copyright/Trademark/Patent Law doesn't FIT into the New Rules(tm).. GUESS which is GOING to HAVE to change.. I'll give you a hint.. It won't be Information Theory.
Have A Nice Day(tm)
YAY!!!! finally a reason to use my stupid neopoint!! =)
What factors were involved in choosing slashdot as a forum for a discussion/interview about internet campaigning and voting techniques? Was it an entirely technical motovation, based on the idea that us of the technical persuasion in the audience might have insight on whether or not we felt it was a reasonable and rational approach to campaigning and/or perhaps even voting on the Internet? (IMHO, Jesse Ventura has ALREADY done an excellent job of answering the feasability issue.) Or are there political motivations behind this interview, where which in your anwers the audience will be showered with many pro-Gore-thinks-this-internet-thingy-is-cool-isms and turn out not to truly be of much insight about the technical/social issues that the Slashdot Audience is likely to be far more interested in?
In case it is perhaps the former, wouldn't it have made more sense to have put this under the Ask Slashdot category, and have assumed that the Slashdot Audience's input on the matter is actually -more- important that the Gore Campaign Camp's opinions on Gore or Gore's approach to campaigning on the internet?
In the case of the latter, does it occur to your that the majority of the people you are reaching in the Slashdot Audience are bound to see this as an unfair, lopsided approach to a campaign? One which is merely a transparent attempt to gain sympathy or support for a candidate we trust as far as any single one of us can throw the Empire State Building (And no, the other partys aren't worth trusting either)? It stands to reason that if the "Democrats" are here waving their flag all over our nice generally technical forum (a forum that inherently resents contemporary (American) politics in the FIRST place) that, for the sake of fairness, All other candidates Campaign Managers (or whoever you are) should be interviewed here as well.. or at the least your candidate's biggest opponent.
And finally, on the astronomically off chance that this ? gets posted in the interview, my apologies to Jon Katz (who I've personally never met, but whose work I dislike immensly) for generalizing the "Slashdot Audience"..
=)
mprov
First, I shall beleaguer a point which can't be made enough times..
My ethnicity is in a minority. Without these words being in this message, you would otherwise have had no idea. Nor would you know which minority I was a part of if I also did not say. Nor do you necessarily know that I'm telling the truth.
This is the Information Age, the dawn of the Scientific Age, precursor to the Space Age... Humanity is at an unprecedented point in history. Humanity has constructed devices that potentially allow the entire species to communicate with one another regardless of location anywhere on the planet. Anyone who identifies with computer culture should recognize this, let us focus on the issues, for those who don't quite understand:
All racism is ignorance. Any other outlook on racism is incorrect.
Though we are not all racist, we [the human race] are all guilty of ignorance.
Ignorance is a disease which can be cured. In an emerging economy where knowledge truly is the power, the cure is beginning to reach everyone.
Teach people how to learn, and you've given them the only tool they need to combat their own ignorance. Be patient with those who never learned how to learn, even the racists.
Ignorance itself needs to become recognized as the real threat, people will come around when they realize we truly are all the same. Homo Sapiens is a mammal with a diverse range of pigment. Any two participants of opposite sexes who fall anywhere within that range of pigment are going to have fertile offspring, unlike the Mule or the Liger.
You know what this means? Whether you're a Creationist or a Darwinist, people are all the same. Any other outlook is ignorant. Teach your children, learn from your neighbors, use the Internet.
Great, fine, wonderful.. That'd work out perfect at 0 degrees in a vacuum. What is the stumbling block? Culture.
Culture is entirely extra-genetic. Culture defines how a person identifies with the society around him. Look at "Internet Culture", if there could be said to be one. Anyone who identifies with this culture already knows race is a dead issue, but the many many legacy cultures aren't really even aware there's such a thing as an "Internet", much less that an online culture exists in that medium which only recognizes one's knowledge level as being the difference between people. Legacy cultures will wind up on the net somehow, and there will be great social upheaval. This is especially true in America, a country built from the ground up on prejudice; the cotton fields, the railroads, the textile and garment industry, factories, service sector, ad nauseum..
I remember when floppy disks cost $50, then they were $50 for a box of 10, then they were free, then AOL started giving away CDs which lie face down in the street.. How long until little computers start getting bundled with MicroTimes, and anybody who can read, rich poor, whatever, is on the net for 40 free hours, with the option of subscribing or tossing the little device away?? then what?? no more Legacy Culture issues, we can go forth with our new tools, and tackle a brand new set of problems which won't be as petty as race.. God or genetics [take your pick] didn't care to make us all the same color, why should it matter to us?
VT
"And even after all my logic, AND my theory, I add a motherfucker, so you ig'nant niggas hear me." -- Lauryn Hill
I don't think it's in any American's best interest to let the cable companies anywhere NEAR their net access.. Isn't it bad enough that cable modem and webtv based technologies are tracking every packet you send, every channel you watch, how long you watch it, etc.. etc.. all nice and Ralph's Card style? What happened to privacy? However, I digress..
These lobbyists, and legislators don't seem to understand that though the 50,000 foot view doesn't portray any one cable company as having a monopolistic grip on the industry, they *do not* promote, offer, or even *allow* competition across certain lines.. The Cable companies seem to have learned their business practices from the Mafia.. I don't know anyone in the Southern California area (ie San Fernando Valley, Simi Valley, Agoura/Westlake, Santa Clarita, Burbank(tm), L.A., Hollywood, ad nauseum) that HAS a choice of cable companies. Nobody. It doesn't mean all that much to me, I haven't owned a TV in years.. But if that brand of Bullsh!t is threatening -MY- internet connection, -MY- ability to TX as fast as I can RX, raising the price without due justification, -not- giving me a choice of ISPs; -I- personally will act. See, funny thing about Internet technologies, they're two way streets.. Cable/Telco companies don't seem to understand that we the users can have as much effect on their networks as their own employees.. If the government won't regulate fair connection policies, the users.. the victims.. will.
+$0.02
VT
So, I haven't read mention of how much of a marketing opportunity this is.. FreePCs notwithstanding, doesn't it behoove companies to spend money on educating their customers? They do it in other industries, why should the computer biz be any less interested in their customer's needs? Where are the big-biz or ISP-biz educational campaigns? Why aren't they being directed to inner-city households and schools?? not enough turnaround?? Raise the knowledge of the communities, raise thier desire to buy into your online business, raise their desire to identify with your products.. doesn't 2+2=4 anymore? Where have all the -real- capitalists gone? You nurture a market, it grows for you.
VT
the same minute the news about Raster is posted, VA already has a banner up with his name in it!!
+$0.02
VT
well.. lawyers would love it...
the 90's are over..
okok, so it's not much but,
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH STUPID TITLES!