That is a very good point. Let us never forget what happened. Thank you for bringing that up. Banning items that would help people remember the atrocities committed by the Nazis would make it easier to forget, and make learning from history that much harder.
I'm pretty sure that those that had terrible things happen to them in WWII will never forget, they don't need people displaying memorabilia like this to be reminded.
Personally, I have several patches taken as trophies from the uniforms of dead and or captured German soldiers, brought back by my Grandfather after the war. There are a couple af swastikas, several rank and corps patches, and a modest-sized bird o' prey clutching a swastika, printed on linen cloth. I keep them on my shelf, next to my M1 rifle, to remind me of my Grandfather, and of what happened.
How many such things have you actively gone out and bought?
Would buying any more improve your memories?
Personal souveniers like this are one thing (although pretty goulish IMHO), buying them now is another thing entirely.
am personaly of the opinion that nazi memorabilia are just "things" and as such have no power in themselves. if mr X who was going to buy an item was prevented by the french ruling then is this really going to stop him being a nazi sympathiser? besides, where do these lines get drawn? what is an allowed object and what isn't. this plate is legal and tihs is isn't because it has a swastika on it?
You are wrong, they have great symbolic power, which is of course why they exist, are sold and bought. And of course it doesn't stop Nazi sympathisers from being so if they can't buy them, it just stops them being able to parade them in offensive ways
except I have never understood how a french court can have *any* juristiction over an american company. apart from PR, what forces yahoo US to give a damn what a french court says. yahoo FR maybe (is there such a thing) but why yahoo US?
can someone please explain this to me?
They can't that is a question of jurisdiction but there is French subsidiary of Yahoo, and AFAIAA the ruling applied to that company, not sure what this is doing in the US courts
One possibility is that (IIRC) the French court ordered Yahoo to block access to certain pages from users connected to French ISP's (This is technically possible, it was demonstrated to the court by expert witnesses I beleive) and this is where the problem arises.
Doen't stop them connecting via (say) German ISP's, but it's an attempt by the Judge to force compliance with the law
Anyway, it's all moot AFAIAA, becasue they have pulled those pages, along with certain others such as auctions of body parts, used underwear etc.
Curious how those don't get the free speechers hopping up and down.:^)
This is a good point, and there is clearly a fine line to draw here...
Problem is that sometimes the KKK, or other racists/bigots marching down the street leads to violence and death.
To many people it seems stupid to allow situations like that to develop
I tihnk it was Konrad Adenaur who said "We must tolerate everything, except intolerance"
I live in France, let me show you round...
See that old guy over there ? His father was executed by the Gestapo... That old woman over there? She was raped by several SS when she was 16..
See that sign to 'Oradour-Sur-Glane', you should go and see that village, one day the SS cam calling and killed everybody, they say 640+ men, women and children died.
Now imagine how some people who live here feel when they see Nazi sympathisers (and it's virtually always sympathisers that buy this stuff, which is why there is a law against selling it) parading swastikas, deaths head badges etc.
Get the point?
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Then you are clearly being intolerant, and I can't tolerate that! :^)~
I'm pretty sure that those that had terrible things happen to them in WWII will never forget, they don't need people displaying memorabilia like this to be reminded.
Personally, I have several patches taken as trophies from the uniforms of dead and or captured German soldiers, brought back by my Grandfather after the war. There are a couple af swastikas, several rank and corps patches, and a modest-sized bird o' prey clutching a swastika, printed on linen cloth. I keep them on my shelf, next to my M1 rifle, to remind me of my Grandfather, and of what happened.
How many such things have you actively gone out and bought?
Would buying any more improve your memories?
Personal souveniers like this are one thing (although pretty goulish IMHO), buying them now is another thing entirely.
You are wrong, they have great symbolic power, which is of course why they exist, are sold and bought. And of course it doesn't stop Nazi sympathisers from being so if they can't buy them, it just stops them being able to parade them in offensive ways
except I have never understood how a french court can have *any* juristiction over an american company. apart from PR, what forces yahoo US to give a damn what a french court says. yahoo FR maybe (is there such a thing) but why yahoo US? can someone please explain this to me?
They can't that is a question of jurisdiction but there is French subsidiary of Yahoo, and AFAIAA the ruling applied to that company, not sure what this is doing in the US courts One possibility is that (IIRC) the French court ordered Yahoo to block access to certain pages from users connected to French ISP's (This is technically possible, it was demonstrated to the court by expert witnesses I beleive) and this is where the problem arises.
Doen't stop them connecting via (say) German ISP's, but it's an attempt by the Judge to force compliance with the law
Anyway, it's all moot AFAIAA, becasue they have pulled those pages, along with certain others such as auctions of body parts, used underwear etc.
Curious how those don't get the free speechers hopping up and down. :^)
This is a good point, and there is clearly a fine line to draw here... Problem is that sometimes the KKK, or other racists/bigots marching down the street leads to violence and death. To many people it seems stupid to allow situations like that to develop I tihnk it was Konrad Adenaur who said "We must tolerate everything, except intolerance"
I live in France, let me show you round... See that old guy over there ? His father was executed by the Gestapo... That old woman over there? She was raped by several SS when she was 16.. See that sign to 'Oradour-Sur-Glane', you should go and see that village, one day the SS cam calling and killed everybody, they say 640+ men, women and children died. Now imagine how some people who live here feel when they see Nazi sympathisers (and it's virtually always sympathisers that buy this stuff, which is why there is a law against selling it) parading swastikas, deaths head badges etc. Get the point?