Dirty little secret: some of those major, KNOWN security holes also exist in 2K, XP and Server 2K3. They are kernel-level and fundamental to the NT5 security model and would require moving Windows off of the NT kernel and onto something else.
Care to give more information on that ? What's this security hole ? Or should this be taken as one more FUD attempt against MS on Slashdot ?
What you don't get is that with Longhorn, you can save your files wherever you want, it will still be extremely fast to get them, because it's a database.
On Linux, if you don't put all your photos under ~myname/photos, you're good to search the whole tree structure for files, and on a 100Gb HD like people will have in 1-2 years, this is going to take a long long long time.
On Longhorn it will take a few seconds if not less than a second because the filesystem has indexed the files depending on their categorization.
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Multitasking was in NT before it was in Linux(note: NT showed up in 1992, betas were released before that, Linux sources were publicly released in 1991, and it was not even alpha level)
preemptive kernel multithreaded stack multiprocessor support portable OS(Alpha/MIPS/PPC/x86 for NT, Linux was i386 only in the beginning) plug&play NUMA support...
All this stuff was in NT way before it ended up in Linux
Nowhere is it specified that the entire OS was brought down. What didn't work anymore was all the terminals, which doesn't mean that the OS itself was down.
Human error, not Microsoft Windows NT, was the cause of a LAN failure aboard the Aegis cruiser USS Yorktown that left the Smart Ship dead in the water for nearly three hours last fall during maneuvers near Cape Charles, Va., Navy officials said.
Taken from http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.h tm that you provided in your other post:
The ship had to be towed into the Naval base at Norfolk, Va., because a database overflow caused its propulsion system to fail, according to Anthony DiGiorgio, a civilian engineer with the Atlantic Fleet Technical Support Center in Norfolk.
So obviously it had nothing to do with NT4, it was due to a database problem, that's completely independant of the OS underneath. They could have run their ship with QNX or whatever else, had there been an overflow in the database software, the result would have been the same.
No, in Switzerland, you cast you ballot in secret like in any other country, so nobody but you knows what you have voted, and it's been that way at least for the last ten years(that's when I went to vote for the first time and saw how it worked).
Linux already blows and MS product away for these applications, so I'm curious what they are comparing the results to.
You obviously need to look better at how Linux scale on 8P machines and more before making such statements.
Go to http://www.tpc.org and look at the results for Linux and Windows for 16P systems and more, Linux is non-existent, for a reason.
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Israel is not building on empty land, it is building on palestinian owned land. Moreover, they can call this their historical homeland as much as they want, it is internationally recognized as NOT being an Israeli land. May I remind you that there are millions of palestinian refugees worldwide, they still own their land. The land on which settlements are built was extorted from palestinians, they were in most cases forced to sell as they had no other way of surviving when they were not simply deported, their life was made impossible,... All this is well known and documented. This amount to ethnic cleansing.
As for the israeli version of their peace proposal, there's absolutely no evidence of this, NONE.
The palestinians say that the proposal was for pieces of land separated by pieces of Israeli land, which is totally unacceptable for a viable country.
There's no evidence that what israelis say is true, and there's no evidence that what palestinians say is true.
I don't see why I should believe the israeli version and not the palestinian one, since there's no evidence whatsoever for either side.
That's what you don't understand, Israel is not my only punching bag.
Put a news on Slashdot about how kurds are treated by Turkey/Syria/..., about how people from Tibet are treated by China, how Tchetchens are treated by Russians,... and you will get the same kind of reaction from my part.
Thing is, the media talks more about Israel than the other conflicts, so there's no occasion of speaking of the other problems, but they nonetheless exist.
If you want comparisons, what the russians are doing to the tchetchens is worse than what Israelis are doing to the palestinians, that does not make israel a good country, it just means that Russia is worse.
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being willing to give up nearly all the "occupied" land that one captured in a defensive war
If only it was true...
They kept building settlements, destroying palestinians houses,... during the negociations, what a proof of good will. As for this offer, nobody ever saw it and knew what it looked like, so unless we get the papers describing the offer, I will take this as simple propaganda.
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Iranian facilities are monitored by the IAEA who has not reported any wrongful use of the facilities monitored. Iran has accepted to return the spent fuel to Russia. Iran has signed the non-proliferation treaty. USA did not provide any clear evidence of attempts by Iran to get nuclear weapons.
So, unless we get proofs of these attempts, I don't see why I should be convinced that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons. Moreover, I don't see why Iran should not be allowed to have nukes if USA and Israel are allowed to have them. I'd be more than happy to have laws forbidding EVERYBODY from having nuclear weapons, but I totally disagree with refusing nuclear weapons to certain countries and allowing others to have some.
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Why Israel more than the others ?
Probably because the media talk about it more than the other conflicts, so I get to have more information about it, and have an opinion about it.
I certainly think the Kurds deserve to have a country, I find that Turkey had a very similar behavior to Israel these last few years towards Kurds, and mind you, if the native americans decided they want their own country, I would support them.
Israel is not the only one on my list of countries with a disgusting behavior, but it's quite high on the list as its actions have been lasting for decades and are becoming more and more disgusting.
Moreover, I don't see Israel's attitude as an "extremely restrained pinpoint response", I see it as a very violent response to a people who has very legitimate claims and who had ultimately to resort to violence to make its claims heard given the fact that negociation didn't work(need I remind you that during the 10 years of negociation Israel kept building settlements, refusing build permits to palestinians and destroying houses, that's not really a proof of good will).
And as I told you, what Israel claim to have offered to the palestinians will not be considered seriously until the papers are shown publicly to see what it really looked like, palestinians say one thing, the israeli say something else about this so called offer, I don't see why I should trust either side without proof.
Switzerland has though laws when it comes to becoming a citizen, yes. If you do not integrate into the country, I don't see why you should be considered swiss. Swiss people have common points, if you do not meet them then I don't see how you can be considered swiss.
But it's not that hard to become swiss, my parents do not know much about swiss history, but they're fluent in french, they never caused any trouble to anybody,... They got it easily. Since I was a kid, I got it faster than the 12 years since kids have every year count twice.
Finally, I was very well integrated, all my friends treated my like everybody else, same thing in the army.
Oh and by the way, stop thinking that people who are disgusted by Israel's policies are automatically from the middle-east and muslim, I'm of greek origin.
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My moral equivalence is perfectly valid.
Israel is a victim of terrorism, but it also commit the equivalent of terrorist acts in the occupied territories.
As for "accepted by Saudi Arabia", well yes it holds water since that's how law decides who's wrong and who's not. The view of the fundamentalists is not important, what's important is who's breaking the law.
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Well, first I should be moslem to be a moslem terrorist.
Second, the american presence in Saudi Arabia has been accepted by Saudi Arabia, so that's not a good comparison.
Third, saying that Israel is as bad as the palestinian terrorists does not make me a supporter of Bin Laden, since I condemn their acts, like I condemn Israel's behavior. You can forward my posts to the INS/FBI/CIA,... they will laugh at you.
Finally, you won't convince anybody by treating all people who disagree with you of either anti-semitic, terrorist or ignorant.
Wow, tell me how many countries give the right of vote to foreign people ? Almost none.
Foreign people can become citizens, like all my family did, and that's how most people in Switzerland got their citizenships since most of them have roots coming from other countries.
Switzerland had these referendums, they were all rejected, Switzerland has more refugees per citizen than any other country in Europe except Luxembourg.
So yes, you either lie or don't know what you're talking about.
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Human rights is part of internation law. Last time I looked stonings, beheadings, freedom of religion, etc. were part of human rights
True, they're violating this one
Slavery is also a violation of human rights. It still exists in Saudi Arabia and several other Arab countries that import black Christian slaves captured as war booty in Sudan
This is not a state policy, this is forbidden by the state. This is like saying that because someone raped a woman in France, then France is guilty.
Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Almost everybody agrees that they are violating it now in their quest for nuclear weapons
No, only USA and Israel agree, nobody else does.
Kidnapping - Saudi Arabia refuses to turn over children kidnapped from the United States in violation of international treaties for the protection of children
Wrong, these are bilateral treaties, and I dare to guess that Saudi Arabia does not have one with USA.
Iran uses child soldiers, another violation of international law
Not anymore.
also seem to remember a hostage "situation" back at the American embassy which seemed to violate something about the Geneva convention and treatment of embassies.
Yep, 20 years ago, this was solved
I am talking about what's happening NOW.
Otherwise we can talk about Sabra&Chatila, Canaa, etc...
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Blowing civilians to bits is not more evil than oppressing millions of people for 30 years, destroying their houses, their fields, limiting their supply of water to the profit of jewish settlers,....
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Idiot.
What Israel does on israeli territory is an internal matter.
Destroying houses in occupied territories, building settlements,... is done on occupied territory, not on israeli territory, hence the difference.
Of course, we all know the real truth. The very existence of a strong and independent state of Israel is something that Jew-haters like yourself find very hard to swallow. (By the way, when you went to those 2 Jewish weddings which you are so proud of, did you have to shower afterwards?)
Well, you idiot, tell me where I say that Israel does not have a right to exist. I'm talking about the territories occupied after 1967, not about Israel and its recognized borders.
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Dumbass.
I'm swiss, but I was not when I was born, some for all my family.
Most swiss people except in the deep country have roots which are outside of Switzerland.
Next time before you talk, learn about what you're talking about, you'll look much less stupid.
Switzerland is on the brink of given voting rights to people who are not citizens, and I don't know many countries who do that actually.
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First, ethics and legality are not decided by "majority vote". Otherwise slavery and many other bad things would still be here. Majority vote in a UN dominated by third world despots should hardly be taken as the last word in morality. Perhaps, you blame the Jews in Nazi Germany who tried to disobey the laws putting them in gas chambers.
Yes they are, that's what democracy is all about. And as far as I know, the UN security council who voted the UN 242 resolution is not dominated by despots. France, UK and USA who voted this resolution are democracies.
Israel has already withdrawn from more than 95% of the occupied territories. Resolution 242 called for "Withdrawal from occupied territories." The word "the" or "all" was deliberately left out by the drafters.
Israel has not withdrawn from 95% of the territories, settlements represents more than 5% of the territories. The word "the" is present in the french version of the resolution, which is the one binding(yes, that's the way the UN works, I also don't know why it's the french one).
Morality and conduct under wartime conditions is always a relative condition Intifada occured in 2000, during the years before Israel was still building settlements, destroying houses,... This was not war time.
A lot of things are collective punishment. Here in the US, we often confiscate the boats of drug dealers and the cars of drunk drivers. Is that collective punishment because the rest of the family surely suffers when they lose their cars or luxuries?
In USA (where I live), we don't destroy the houses of the neighbours of the dealer not his house.
Don't get me wrong, suicide bombings are horrible things, but they are not more horrible that Israel's attitude towards palestinians. Israel is just doing terrorism in a different way than the palestinian extremists, and it's been doing it much more frequently.
Oh by the way, in Switzerland, 20% of the population is made of foreign people, and they all have the same rights as we do (except that they can't vote, but this is changing), so you obviously are either lying or ignorant.
The Middle East is very similar to Europe in its treatment of minorities. The only difference is that in European countries that tend to just supress or deport them while in Arab countries they kill them.
Switzerland has 20% of foreign people in its population, and it's still growing. France is close to that number also, many of them being arabs. Germany has an enormous turkish minority Other countries have the same kind of ratios.
So you are either ignorant or misinformed
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Israel IS a criminal state, you refuse this comparison because you are pro-israeli (and your comment on being anti-semite make me laugh by the way, I don't think I would have gone to two jewish weddings in the last three monthes otherwise)
Israel's crimes are well known, I've given a list in my previous post and everything can be verified easily.
Israel IS a criminal state.
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So what ?
These are INTERNAL MATTERS of a sovereign country.
I don't see why Europe should have a say on Israeli laws which forbid to do [put whatever] during the Sabbath, same thing, I don't see why they should have a say on what Saudi Arabia does on its own territory.
However Europe has a say on what Israel does on an international level, and fact is that on an internation level, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other countries of the region behave much better than Israel.
You don't have to tell me that these arab countries are dictatorships, I know it. That doesn't make Israel's treatment of palestinians any better, and that does not change the fact that Israel is violating international laws while Iran, Saudi Arabia,... do not.
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Dirty little secret: some of those major, KNOWN security holes also exist in 2K, XP and Server 2K3. They are kernel-level and fundamental to the NT5 security model and would require moving Windows off of the NT kernel and onto something else.
Care to give more information on that ? What's this security hole ? Or should this be taken as one more FUD attempt against MS on Slashdot ?
What you don't get is that with Longhorn, you can save your files wherever you want, it will still be extremely fast to get them, because it's a database.
On Linux, if you don't put all your photos under ~myname/photos, you're good to search the whole tree structure for files, and on a 100Gb HD like people will have in 1-2 years, this is going to take a long long long time.
On Longhorn it will take a few seconds if not less than a second because the filesystem has indexed the files depending on their categorization.
Multitasking was in NT before it was in Linux(note: NT showed up in 1992, betas were released before that, Linux sources were publicly released in 1991, and it was not even alpha level)
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preemptive kernel
multithreaded stack
multiprocessor support
portable OS(Alpha/MIPS/PPC/x86 for NT, Linux was i386 only in the beginning)
plug&play
NUMA support
All this stuff was in NT way before it ended up in Linux
Nowhere is it specified that the entire OS was brought down.
What didn't work anymore was all the terminals, which doesn't mean that the OS itself was down.
If the database does something wrong with its data, gets an access violation and crashes, its due to the database, like on Unix.
GCN actually had another news release a few monthes later at http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/november9/6.h tm which states clearly :
Human error, not Microsoft Windows NT, was the cause of a LAN failure aboard the Aegis cruiser USS Yorktown that left the Smart Ship dead in the water for nearly three hours last fall during maneuvers near Cape Charles, Va., Navy officials said.
Taken from http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.h tm that you provided in your other post :
The ship had to be towed into the Naval base at Norfolk, Va., because a database overflow caused its propulsion system to fail, according to Anthony DiGiorgio, a civilian engineer with the Atlantic Fleet Technical Support Center in Norfolk.
So obviously it had nothing to do with NT4, it was due to a database problem, that's completely independant of the OS underneath.
They could have run their ship with QNX or whatever else, had there been an overflow in the database software, the result would have been the same.
No, in Switzerland, you cast you ballot in secret like in any other country, so nobody but you knows what you have voted, and it's been that way at least for the last ten years(that's when I went to vote for the first time and saw how it worked).
Linux already blows and MS product away for these applications, so I'm curious what they are comparing the results to.
You obviously need to look better at how Linux scale on 8P machines and more before making such statements.
Go to http://www.tpc.org and look at the results for Linux and Windows for 16P systems and more, Linux is non-existent, for a reason.
Israel is not building on empty land, it is building on palestinian owned land. Moreover, they can call this their historical homeland as much as they want, it is internationally recognized as NOT being an Israeli land.
May I remind you that there are millions of palestinian refugees worldwide, they still own their land.
The land on which settlements are built was extorted from palestinians, they were in most cases forced to sell as they had no other way of surviving when they were not simply deported, their life was made impossible,... All this is well known and documented.
This amount to ethnic cleansing.
As for the israeli version of their peace proposal, there's absolutely no evidence of this, NONE.
The palestinians say that the proposal was for pieces of land separated by pieces of Israeli land, which is totally unacceptable for a viable country.
There's no evidence that what israelis say is true, and there's no evidence that what palestinians say is true.
I don't see why I should believe the israeli version and not the palestinian one, since there's no evidence whatsoever for either side.
That's what you don't understand, Israel is not my only punching bag.
... and you will get the same kind of reaction from my part.
Put a news on Slashdot about how kurds are treated by Turkey/Syria/..., about how people from Tibet are treated by China, how Tchetchens are treated by Russians,
Thing is, the media talks more about Israel than the other conflicts, so there's no occasion of speaking of the other problems, but they nonetheless exist.
If you want comparisons, what the russians are doing to the tchetchens is worse than what Israelis are doing to the palestinians, that does not make israel a good country, it just means that Russia is worse.
being willing to give up nearly all the "occupied" land that one captured in a defensive war
If only it was true...
They kept building settlements, destroying palestinians houses,... during the negociations, what a proof of good will.
As for this offer, nobody ever saw it and knew what it looked like, so unless we get the papers describing the offer, I will take this as simple propaganda.
Iranian facilities are monitored by the IAEA who has not reported any wrongful use of the facilities monitored.
Iran has accepted to return the spent fuel to Russia.
Iran has signed the non-proliferation treaty.
USA did not provide any clear evidence of attempts by Iran to get nuclear weapons.
So, unless we get proofs of these attempts, I don't see why I should be convinced that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons.
Moreover, I don't see why Iran should not be allowed to have nukes if USA and Israel are allowed to have them.
I'd be more than happy to have laws forbidding EVERYBODY from having nuclear weapons, but I totally disagree with refusing nuclear weapons to certain countries and allowing others to have some.
Why Israel more than the others ?
Probably because the media talk about it more than the other conflicts, so I get to have more information about it, and have an opinion about it.
I certainly think the Kurds deserve to have a country, I find that Turkey had a very similar behavior to Israel these last few years towards Kurds, and mind you, if the native americans decided they want their own country, I would support them.
Israel is not the only one on my list of countries with a disgusting behavior, but it's quite high on the list as its actions have been lasting for decades and are becoming more and more disgusting.
Moreover, I don't see Israel's attitude as an "extremely restrained pinpoint response", I see it as a very violent response to a people who has very legitimate claims and who had ultimately to resort to violence to make its claims heard given the fact that negociation didn't work(need I remind you that during the 10 years of negociation Israel kept building settlements, refusing build permits to palestinians and destroying houses, that's not really a proof of good will).
And as I told you, what Israel claim to have offered to the palestinians will not be considered seriously until the papers are shown publicly to see what it really looked like, palestinians say one thing, the israeli say something else about this so called offer, I don't see why I should trust either side without proof.
Switzerland has though laws when it comes to becoming a citizen, yes. If you do not integrate into the country, I don't see why you should be considered swiss. Swiss people have common points, if you do not meet them then I don't see how you can be considered swiss.
But it's not that hard to become swiss, my parents do not know much about swiss history, but they're fluent in french, they never caused any trouble to anybody,... They got it easily. Since I was a kid, I got it faster than the 12 years since kids have every year count twice.
Finally, I was very well integrated, all my friends treated my like everybody else, same thing in the army.
Oh and by the way, stop thinking that people who are disgusted by Israel's policies are automatically from the middle-east and muslim, I'm of greek origin.
My moral equivalence is perfectly valid.
Israel is a victim of terrorism, but it also commit the equivalent of terrorist acts in the occupied territories.
As for "accepted by Saudi Arabia", well yes it holds water since that's how law decides who's wrong and who's not. The view of the fundamentalists is not important, what's important is who's breaking the law.
Well, first I should be moslem to be a moslem terrorist.
Second, the american presence in Saudi Arabia has been accepted by Saudi Arabia, so that's not a good comparison.
Third, saying that Israel is as bad as the palestinian terrorists does not make me a supporter of Bin Laden, since I condemn their acts, like I condemn Israel's behavior. You can forward my posts to the INS/FBI/CIA,... they will laugh at you.
Finally, you won't convince anybody by treating all people who disagree with you of either anti-semitic, terrorist or ignorant.
Wow, tell me how many countries give the right of vote to foreign people ?
Almost none.
Foreign people can become citizens, like all my family did, and that's how most people in Switzerland got their citizenships since most of them have roots coming from other countries.
Switzerland had these referendums, they were all rejected, Switzerland has more refugees per citizen than any other country in Europe except Luxembourg.
So yes, you either lie or don't know what you're talking about.
Human rights is part of internation law. Last time I looked stonings, beheadings, freedom of religion, etc. were part of human rights
True, they're violating this one
Slavery is also a violation of human rights. It still exists in Saudi Arabia and several other Arab countries that import black Christian slaves captured as war booty in Sudan
This is not a state policy, this is forbidden by the state.
This is like saying that because someone raped a woman in France, then France is guilty.
Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Almost everybody agrees that they are violating it now in their quest for nuclear weapons
No, only USA and Israel agree, nobody else does.
Kidnapping - Saudi Arabia refuses to turn over children kidnapped from the United States in violation of international treaties for the protection of children
Wrong, these are bilateral treaties, and I dare to guess that Saudi Arabia does not have one with USA.
Iran uses child soldiers, another violation of international law
Not anymore.
also seem to remember a hostage "situation" back at the American embassy which seemed to violate something about the Geneva convention and treatment of embassies.
Yep, 20 years ago, this was solved
I am talking about what's happening NOW.
Otherwise we can talk about Sabra&Chatila, Canaa, etc...
Blowing civilians to bits is not more evil than oppressing millions of people for 30 years, destroying their houses, their fields, limiting their supply of water to the profit of jewish settlers, ....
Idiot.
What Israel does on israeli territory is an internal matter.
Destroying houses in occupied territories, building settlements,... is done on occupied territory, not on israeli territory, hence the difference.
Of course, we all know the real truth. The very existence of a strong and independent state of Israel is something that Jew-haters like yourself find very hard to swallow. (By the way, when you went to those 2 Jewish weddings which you are so proud of, did you have to shower afterwards?)
Well, you idiot, tell me where I say that Israel does not have a right to exist.
I'm talking about the territories occupied after 1967, not about Israel and its recognized borders.
Dumbass.
I'm swiss, but I was not when I was born, some for all my family.
Most swiss people except in the deep country have roots which are outside of Switzerland.
Next time before you talk, learn about what you're talking about, you'll look much less stupid.
Switzerland is on the brink of given voting rights to people who are not citizens, and I don't know many countries who do that actually.
First, ethics and legality are not decided by "majority vote". Otherwise slavery and many other bad things would still be here. Majority vote in a UN dominated by third world despots should hardly be taken as the last word in morality. Perhaps, you blame the Jews in Nazi Germany who tried to disobey the laws putting them in gas chambers.
Yes they are, that's what democracy is all about.
And as far as I know, the UN security council who voted the UN 242 resolution is not dominated by despots. France, UK and USA who voted this resolution are democracies.
Israel has already withdrawn from more than 95% of the occupied territories. Resolution 242 called for "Withdrawal from occupied territories." The word "the" or "all" was deliberately left out by the drafters.
Israel has not withdrawn from 95% of the territories, settlements represents more than 5% of the territories.
The word "the" is present in the french version of the resolution, which is the one binding(yes, that's the way the UN works, I also don't know why it's the french one).
Morality and conduct under wartime conditions is always a relative condition
Intifada occured in 2000, during the years before Israel was still building settlements, destroying houses,... This was not war time.
A lot of things are collective punishment. Here in the US, we often confiscate the boats of drug dealers and the cars of drunk drivers. Is that collective punishment because the rest of the family surely suffers when they lose their cars or luxuries?
In USA (where I live), we don't destroy the houses of the neighbours of the dealer not his house.
Don't get me wrong, suicide bombings are horrible things, but they are not more horrible that Israel's attitude towards palestinians.
Israel is just doing terrorism in a different way than the palestinian extremists, and it's been doing it much more frequently.
Oh by the way, in Switzerland, 20% of the population is made of foreign people, and they all have the same rights as we do (except that they can't vote, but this is changing), so you obviously are either lying or ignorant.
The Middle East is very similar to Europe in its treatment of minorities. The only difference is that in European countries that tend to just supress or deport them while in Arab countries they kill them.
Switzerland has 20% of foreign people in its population, and it's still growing.
France is close to that number also, many of them being arabs.
Germany has an enormous turkish minority
Other countries have the same kind of ratios.
So you are either ignorant or misinformed
Israel IS a criminal state, you refuse this comparison because you are pro-israeli (and your comment on being anti-semite make me laugh by the way, I don't think I would have gone to two jewish weddings in the last three monthes otherwise)
Israel's crimes are well known, I've given a list in my previous post and everything can be verified easily.
Israel IS a criminal state.
So what ?
These are INTERNAL MATTERS of a sovereign country.
I don't see why Europe should have a say on Israeli laws which forbid to do [put whatever] during the Sabbath, same thing, I don't see why they should have a say on what Saudi Arabia does on its own territory.
However Europe has a say on what Israel does on an international level, and fact is that on an internation level, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other countries of the region behave much better than Israel.
You don't have to tell me that these arab countries are dictatorships, I know it. That doesn't make Israel's treatment of palestinians any better, and that does not change the fact that Israel is violating international laws while Iran, Saudi Arabia,... do not.