There is a huge difference between a company which has about 20% marketshare and trying to compete in legal ways by simply providing good products in its own area and another one openly trying to bankrupt it by leveraging illegal tactics and its pure 90% marketshare (ATOM pricing). Thats exactly the situation we have here. Intel has done similar things in the past, they are a very paranoid company and do not allow competition to thrive. They openly said, they dont see AMD as competition, but they have NVidia on their radar, and their tactics are as illegal as in the past several times. The Atom pricing scheme to kill of the ION chipset simply is illegal and there is a reason why Intel has the FTC on their necks currently and why they had to pay literally billions to the EU anti trust regulators, they applied the same illegal tactics to kill off AMD to some extent when they were not able to compete on legal means by having decent products!
What we now face here is a situation where Intel simply wants to damage NVidia as much as possible to gobble up the remains to get into the last market in the PC world they cannot compete at all.
After that and once they got the FTC off their back say goodbyte to AMD as well, and ARM also is on their we want to kill them list.
Passively cooled, forget it unless you can find a Tegra based system (which do not exist out of the box) Tegra can do it, but no one pushes out boards for that, because it is ARM based, and you know how easy it is to get a decent ARM board (outside of the beagle board there are none you can get), the ION is the closest you can get, add a silent active cooling and you are off even with the cheapass ATOM processors. You might be better off in a half years time, NVidia is working on a Via based ION solution which would be better than the ATOM core.
Jepp they already said they want to bankrupt nvidia, every move in the last year was in this direction, first shutting out the ION chipset by illegal pricing now trying to push the gpus into the core so that the cheap enough solution ends wherever nvidia (and ATI but they are less bothered since they can do the same) got its core money from, third fighting a patent war on them to shoot them out of the chipset market.
The entire thing started when NVidia was blabbering about you dont need CPU upgrades anymore just use the GPU for everything, that woke Intel up, and as usual with cheapass solutions which are worse but cheaper they kill off the competition! Worked in the past works again. I wonder if we will see NVidia in 5 years at all in the PC market they might end up being a second PowerVR still healthy in the embedded sector but not at all present on the PC side of things.
Actually what you see os the entire cpu load including the gpu part, what you see in the second case is the pure cpu load and offloaded gpu, the end result is pretty much the same if you sum both up...
Well Apple is like that, they recently lost about 10.000-20.000 dollars on future sales by simply having refused an applecare repair on my bosses machine because they said it had a dropping damage (the damage was unrelated to it) needless to say that Apple machines will be on the way out in our company.
Well lets say it that way, the Microsoft only thing came basically from Windows 3.1 when they shot out every competition by illegal tactics (sort of what Intel currently does) and ended somewhere around 2003-2004, the ending has mostly to do with Microsoft having screwed their own users left and right most notably by most with the IE and Vista! But I agree around 1995 it was enough that Microsoft proposed vaporware to kill off competition, people in the PC world were like drones, even if Microsoft had the shittiest solution (MFC being the prime example, word Pre 2003 the other one) it was enough that they had it that no one considered alternatives. This broke also Nexts neck to some degree (speaking of Jobs again), they had the superior OS for the PC but no one bought it because Microsoft was babbeling about a component based OS they were coming out with (Cairo) which never saw the light of day! Microsoft could not pull it off with their OLE/ActiveX garbage!
Actually he closed Apple sort of, and being an asshead does not mean you cannot run successfully a company;-) Just read up about the Apple III fiasco this gives a good picture about Jobs, I would not want to work for him.
Actually you are wrong, Google does not sell the data, they simply get the cash from their ad displays and their ads being shown in various sites, most of their revenue still comes from the ads being shown parallel to their search results, which is amazing how non intrusive they are. So Microsoft is not that far off, by reducing the number of searches means less money for google. But the main aim for Google is mostly to attract people to their services so that they can cash in on the ads! This is also noticable in Android because I assume the ads displayed in many of the free apps come directly from google and no one else! Microsoft got it, but their intention just is to get the cash google currently has, nothing more nothing less, they are also just another neverending money hungry corporation trying to take over the next big thing!
That the 3d performance is somewhat dissapointing, the device pushes 26 fps on the Powervr benchmark, the Acer Liquid A1 is somewhat faster. Ok the device has to push double that many pixels as the last gen of phones (which showed pretty much the same fps number), but I still wonder why no device maker does a Tegra based phone which clearly is superior to the PowerVR based Qualcom stuff most phones currently use.
That is exactly what happens with most designer brands, they have cheap productions in the third world and then charge premium prices for their goods. I recently saw a doc that the customs office has harder and harder times to identify falsely branded designer stuff, guess why, because in many cases it is the same junk even from the same factories which run night inofficial night shifts.
As for Apple, sometimes maybe even often they have a higher build quality for their products even if they use run of the mill stuff, but the times they have not and you are stuck with a problem it can take ages for them to acknowledge their mistake if you are lucky if you are unlucky they wont even react.
The assheadness always had a lot to do with the CEO... Apple was open when the designes came from Wozniak he always opted for open system, they then closed everything with the Mac, guess who was at the helm. Apple again became more open when the CEO was ousted, and now they have become more and more closed again. As much as I love their OS and their computers, but their attitude becomes worse and worse every year:-(
Maybe in the US but they are not really the 900lb Gorilla not even remotely worldwide, the Gorilla still is Nokia... They just have the most press coverage with Android currently being close second!
Actually this is exactly the reason why I did not went for an iPhone for my current generation phone, apple has become over the last years worse and worse, with dictator Stevey Boy at the helm getting more and more like Mao Tse Tung.... Anyway, I still love their computers but given that Apple is more and more reluctant to repair machines under Apple care, and given their worse and worse track record regarding trying to fix manufacturing bugs (it took for instance one and a half years and the start of a class action lawsuits to get Apple to the point to officially acknowledge that the first gen Macbook Airs had hinge problems which made them break over time, a friend of mines machine was refused to be repaired under Applecare due to the machine having been dropped (the damage was absolutely unrelated)) of their machines, I am currently in the phase of slowly phasing them out.
My Mac Mini chugs along for now nicely once it breaks, I will move to an ION or Tegra based solution for its replacement, and once my Apple laptop breaks I will opt for another solution with Linux underneath. For the phone I already went for a HTC Hero, excellent built quality and half the price of an iPhone.
Thanks for the clarification thats pretty much what I remembered from the timeline, afair GSM already was drafted when the US suddenly announced CDMA, thankfully it never took seriously off and now we mostly have a global standard everyone can follow.
As for the parallel GSM UMTS operation possibilities, yes it works and does work pretty well, the fun starts when you do usb tethering and someone calls you in between.
As for Sim swapping, that as well works, I am not too familiar with CDMA I thought that is pretty normal and works on all phone systems one way or the other, guess, that is what you get if you have had GSM for the last 15 years;-)
Not the same, the Hero has less ram, and a slower processor. I have one of those, while it can be pretty fast with a custom hacked kernel it is definitely not in the same speed range as the Droid or even remotely in the same one as the Nexus One!
Btw. I would not rate the experience you get from the overloaded AT&T GSM/UMTS in the united states to be the same experience all over the world. This stuff works really well if the carrier knows what he does, in europe a shitload of people have data plans, but things like you face in the US are not heard of here heck in some countries UMTS flatrates even have replaced car radio to some degree. So shit is somewhere else but definitely not in the technology;-)
Not sure which tech is really better, but face it, it was all about money, GSM and CDMA were developed pretty much parallely, and basically GSM was not europe only other continents were involved as well, in the end it came down to who could cash in on the involved patents, and the US with their CDMA solution did not have to foodhold to get ground to a combined European / Asian development. Heck the companies having done CDMA only even could get one carrier in the USA alone. So even if CDMA was better back then, this is a Betamax / VHS reloaded thing, and in the end the USA respectively Verizon pretty much will be alone on the world in the forseeable future being a source of CDMA.
CDMA mostly started as a US thing, while the rest of the world settled for GSM and then EDGE HDSPA and UTMS for their connectivity. CDMA mostly is a failed attempt to try to get into a (by back then) future market or at least to seal off the US market to other phone companies. There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!
Who cares wait a bunch of months until the next (probably Tegra based) Android phones hit the market and then you will get the phone for half the price or even less. This is simply the (Stupid/Early) Adopters Fee...
I am too dissapointed by the price but given the fact that Google wants to keep all other phone makers happy they probably cannot give it away cheaper! Since everyone rolls out currently a new generation of phones every 3-6 months, the Nexus One will be replaced by faster/better specced phones around summer, latest! I assume by the end of the year we will see the first phones which can do a full hd output on a connected monitor, the technology is there, it just has to be pushed into the next generation of phones!
Actually I personally in my long kde time always found Konqueror superior to total commander in everything except that much of the goodyness was hidden behind kio::slaves (sftp://blabla for instance) and in shortcuts, you could reach various notworked filesystem you could split and tab as youd like and etc... but it took time to learn it, most of the functionality was not obvious. I never missed total commander in Linux, on OSX however... sure there is pathfinder, but it is not the same!
CSS 2.1 is finished and fully supported. CSS 3 is not tested by the latest ACID test, if you read the tests thoroughly IE8 fails utterly on SVG support, proper dom support and on the Ecmascript parts! It does definitely not fail on the CSS side of things (thats where the 20% come from)
Actually the entire design is marketing enforced, everything smells of we try to kill ION in its infancy. Atom itself had the potential to impact the desktop sales of NVidias more powerful processors by simply attaching a decent graphics card on their utter garbage the Atom in fact really is. (Atom is a wannabe ARM which needs ten times the power of a similar specced ARM) Intel tried to kill ION over illegal pricing structures the last months and now they are doing it the legal way by simply cutting off the cords ION was attached to. If one platform screams for decent graphics coprocessors it definitely is the netbooks, and Intel tries to hamper that as much as possible by shutting out the only vendor who delivers such a combination! (for now, NVidia already is working with Via to bring the ION to the via processors and its ARM combo already is underway and used by some)
Actually with the old netbooks it was like that. Plain ATOM reference design, cheap junk doing the bare needs. Add to that an ION, the power consumption went down, you could full HD video without straining the processor and it was possible to play games (not the latest ones, but it was possible)
The new design is like that, you have to buy a SOC and then there is no way to add a better graphics card!
The main issue here is the new Atom is crippled, it is deliberately designed to keep the ION chipset at bay by doing a SOC design. There is no speed difference to its predecessors. So what we will see from that will be just another flood of new netbooks doing the old things, and less ION based ones (as if there were that many to begin with, Intel was rather successful to keep them away by outpricing NVidia by illegal means - they sold the GMA + Atom combination cheaper than Atom alone so NVidia was on a lost course here)
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There is a huge difference between a company which has about 20% marketshare and trying to compete in legal ways by simply providing good products in its own area and another one openly trying to bankrupt it by leveraging illegal tactics and its pure 90% marketshare (ATOM pricing).
Thats exactly the situation we have here. Intel has done similar things in the past, they are a very paranoid company and do not allow competition to thrive. They openly said, they dont see AMD as competition, but they have NVidia on their radar, and their tactics are as illegal as in the past several times.
The Atom pricing scheme to kill of the ION chipset simply is illegal and there is a reason why Intel has the FTC on their necks currently and why they had to pay literally billions to the EU anti trust regulators, they applied the same illegal tactics to kill off AMD to some extent when they were not able to compete on legal means by having decent products!
What we now face here is a situation where Intel simply wants to damage NVidia as much as possible to gobble up the remains to get into the last market in the PC world they cannot compete at all.
After that and once they got the FTC off their back say goodbyte to AMD as well,
and ARM also is on their we want to kill them list.
Passively cooled, forget it unless you can find a Tegra based system (which do not exist out of the box) Tegra can do it, but no one pushes out boards for that, because it is ARM based, and you know how easy it is to get a decent ARM board (outside of the beagle board there are none you can get), the ION is the closest you can get, add a silent active cooling and you are off even with the cheapass ATOM processors.
You might be better off in a half years time, NVidia is working on a Via based ION solution which would be better than the ATOM core.
Jepp they already said they want to bankrupt nvidia, every move in the last year was in this direction, first shutting out the ION chipset by illegal pricing now trying to push the gpus into the core so that the cheap enough solution ends wherever nvidia (and ATI but they are less bothered since they can do the same) got its core money from, third fighting a patent war on them to shoot them out of the chipset market.
The entire thing started when NVidia was blabbering about you dont need CPU upgrades anymore just use the GPU for everything, that woke Intel up, and as usual with cheapass solutions which are worse but cheaper they kill off the competition!
Worked in the past works again.
I wonder if we will see NVidia in 5 years at all in the PC market they might end up being a second PowerVR still healthy in the embedded sector but not at all present on the PC side of things.
Actually what you see os the entire cpu load including the gpu part, what you see in the second case is the pure cpu load and offloaded gpu, the end result is pretty much the same if you sum both up...
Well Apple is like that, they recently lost about 10.000-20.000 dollars on future sales by simply having refused an applecare repair on my bosses machine because they said it had a dropping damage (the damage was unrelated to it) needless to say that Apple machines will be on the way out in our company.
Well lets say it that way, the Microsoft only thing came basically from Windows 3.1 when they shot out every competition by illegal tactics (sort of what Intel currently does) and ended somewhere around 2003-2004, the ending has mostly to do with Microsoft having screwed their own users left and right most notably by most with the IE and Vista! But I agree around 1995 it was enough that Microsoft proposed vaporware to kill off competition, people in the PC world were like drones, even if Microsoft had the shittiest solution (MFC being the prime example, word Pre 2003 the other one) it was enough that they had it that no one considered alternatives.
This broke also Nexts neck to some degree (speaking of Jobs again), they had the superior OS for the PC but no one bought it because Microsoft was babbeling about a component based OS they were coming out with (Cairo) which never saw the light of day! Microsoft could not pull it off with their OLE/ActiveX garbage!
Actually he closed Apple sort of, and being an asshead does not mean you cannot run successfully a company ;-)
Just read up about the Apple III fiasco this gives a good picture about Jobs, I would not want to work for him.
Actually you are wrong, Google does not sell the data, they simply get the cash from their ad displays and their ads being shown in various sites, most of their revenue still comes from the ads being shown parallel to their search results, which is amazing how non intrusive they are. So Microsoft is not that far off, by reducing the number of searches means less money for google.
But the main aim for Google is mostly to attract people to their services so that they can cash in on the ads!
This is also noticable in Android because I assume the ads displayed in many of the free apps come directly from google and no one else!
Microsoft got it, but their intention just is to get the cash google currently has, nothing more nothing less, they are also just another neverending money hungry corporation trying to take over the next big thing!
That the 3d performance is somewhat dissapointing, the device pushes 26 fps on the Powervr benchmark, the Acer Liquid A1 is somewhat faster. Ok the device has to push double that many pixels as the last gen of phones (which showed pretty much the same fps number), but I still wonder why no device maker does a Tegra based phone which clearly is superior to the PowerVR based Qualcom stuff most phones currently use.
That is exactly what happens with most designer brands, they have cheap productions in the third world and then charge premium prices for their goods. I recently saw a doc that the customs office has harder and harder times to identify falsely branded designer stuff, guess why, because in many cases it is the same junk even from the same factories which run night inofficial night shifts.
As for Apple, sometimes maybe even often they have a higher build quality for their products even if they use run of the mill stuff, but the times they have not and you are stuck with a problem it can take ages for them to acknowledge their mistake if you are lucky if you are unlucky they wont even react.
The assheadness always had a lot to do with the CEO... Apple was open when the designes came from Wozniak he always opted for open system, they then closed everything with the Mac, guess who was at the helm. :-(
Apple again became more open when the CEO was ousted, and now they have become more and more closed again.
As much as I love their OS and their computers, but their attitude becomes worse and worse every year
Maybe in the US but they are not really the 900lb Gorilla not even remotely worldwide, the Gorilla still is Nokia... They just have the most press coverage with Android currently being close second!
Actually this is exactly the reason why I did not went for an iPhone for my current generation phone, apple has become over the last years worse and worse, with dictator Stevey Boy at the helm getting more and more like Mao Tse Tung....
Anyway, I still love their computers but given that Apple is more and more reluctant to repair machines under Apple care, and given their worse and worse track record regarding trying to fix manufacturing bugs (it took for instance one and a half years and the start of a class action lawsuits to get Apple to the point to officially acknowledge that the first gen Macbook Airs had hinge problems which made them break over time, a friend of mines machine was refused to be repaired under Applecare due to the machine having been dropped (the damage was absolutely unrelated)) of their machines, I am currently in the phase of slowly phasing them out.
My Mac Mini chugs along for now nicely once it breaks, I will move to an ION or Tegra based solution for its replacement, and once my Apple laptop breaks I will opt for another solution with Linux underneath. For the phone I already went for a HTC Hero, excellent built quality and half the price of an iPhone.
Thanks for the clarification thats pretty much what I remembered from the timeline, afair GSM already was drafted when the US suddenly announced CDMA, thankfully it never took seriously off and now we mostly have a global standard everyone can follow.
As for the parallel GSM UMTS operation possibilities, yes it works and does work pretty well, the fun starts when you do usb tethering and someone calls you in between.
As for Sim swapping, that as well works, I am not too familiar with CDMA I thought that is pretty normal and works on all phone systems one way or the other, guess, that is what you get if you have had GSM for the last 15 years ;-)
Not the same, the Hero has less ram, and a slower processor. I have one of those, while it can be pretty fast with a custom hacked kernel it is definitely not in the same speed range as the Droid or even remotely in the same one as the Nexus One!
Btw. I would not rate the experience you get from the overloaded AT&T GSM/UMTS in the united states to be the same experience all over the world. This stuff works really well if the carrier knows what he does, in europe a shitload of people have data plans, but things like you face in the US are not heard of here heck in some countries UMTS flatrates even have replaced car radio to some degree. ;-)
So shit is somewhere else but definitely not in the technology
Not sure which tech is really better, but face it, it was all about money, GSM and CDMA were developed pretty much parallely, and basically GSM was not europe only other continents were involved as well, in the end it came down to who could cash in on the involved patents, and the US with their CDMA solution did not have to foodhold to get ground to a combined European / Asian development. Heck the companies having done CDMA only even could get one carrier in the USA alone.
So even if CDMA was better back then, this is a Betamax / VHS reloaded thing, and in the end the USA respectively Verizon pretty much will be alone on the world in the forseeable future being a source of CDMA.
CDMA mostly started as a US thing, while the rest of the world settled for GSM and then EDGE HDSPA and UTMS for their connectivity.
CDMA mostly is a failed attempt to try to get into a (by back then) future market or at least to seal off the US market to other phone companies.
There are not too many countries outside of the US where CDMA is even present!
Who cares wait a bunch of months until the next (probably Tegra based) Android phones hit the market and then you will get the phone for half the price or even less.
This is simply the (Stupid/Early) Adopters Fee...
I am too dissapointed by the price but given the fact that Google wants to keep all other phone makers happy
they probably cannot give it away cheaper!
Since everyone rolls out currently a new generation of phones every 3-6 months, the Nexus One will be replaced by faster/better specced phones around summer, latest!
I assume by the end of the year we will see the first phones which can do a full hd output on a connected monitor, the technology is there, it just has to be pushed into the next generation of phones!
Actually I personally in my long kde time always found Konqueror superior to total commander in everything except that much of the goodyness was hidden behind kio::slaves (sftp://blabla for instance)
and in shortcuts, you could reach various notworked filesystem you could split and tab as youd like and etc... but it took time to learn it, most of the functionality was not obvious.
I never missed total commander in Linux, on OSX however... sure there is pathfinder, but it is not the same!
CSS 2.1 is finished and fully supported. CSS 3 is not tested by the latest ACID test, if you read the tests thoroughly IE8 fails utterly on SVG support, proper dom support and on the Ecmascript parts!
It does definitely not fail on the CSS side of things (thats where the 20% come from)
That Microsoft tried to spin this into another direction is pretty much standard by them, here is another example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo
Actually the entire design is marketing enforced, everything smells of we try to kill ION in its infancy. Atom itself had the potential to impact the desktop sales of NVidias more powerful processors by simply attaching a decent graphics card on their utter garbage the Atom in fact really is. (Atom is a wannabe ARM which needs ten times the power of a similar specced ARM)
Intel tried to kill ION over illegal pricing structures the last months and now they are doing it the legal way by simply cutting off the cords ION was attached to.
If one platform screams for decent graphics coprocessors it definitely is the netbooks, and Intel tries to hamper that as much as possible by shutting out the only vendor who delivers such a combination! (for now, NVidia already is working with Via to bring the ION to the via processors and its ARM combo already is underway and used by some)
Actually with the old netbooks it was like that. Plain ATOM reference design, cheap junk doing the bare needs. Add to that an ION, the power consumption went down, you could full HD video without straining the processor and it was possible to play games (not the latest ones, but it was possible)
The new design is like that, you have to buy a SOC and then there is no way to add a better graphics card!
The main issue here is the new Atom is crippled, it is deliberately designed to keep the ION chipset at bay by doing a SOC design. There is no speed difference to its predecessors.
So what we will see from that will be just another flood of new netbooks doing the old things, and less ION based ones (as if there were that many to begin with, Intel was rather successful to keep them away by outpricing NVidia by illegal means - they sold the GMA + Atom combination cheaper than Atom alone so NVidia was on a lost course here)
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