it says on the site you give that the following is a SAMPLE.
Try this site:
http://www.autism-society.org/whatisautism/autis m. html
if you want to know something, go to the source, and pay attention to the answer.
>It's a genuine, empirically verifiable form of >brain damage that *primarily* leads to severe >retardation of social skills (and that, I can >assure you, is a very broad category of skills), >but to other forms of retardation as well.
Perhaps I'm being picky but... Brain Damage? Empirically verifiable? Gee, you know something all those researchers and Doctors don't huh?
It's a brain disorder and it manifests itself within a range of symptoms. "Brain Damage" implies some kind of destruction or other physical restructuring that can be seen. What is called "brain damage" refers to pre-natal or neo-natal trauma caused by extenuating circumstances that could have been avoided or prevented. IF this is true of autism they haven't figured it out yet.
Ignoring for the moment the highly unscientific and inflammatory use of the word, it is simply not true that the behavior of an autist is indistinguishable from that of someone considered "a retard" as you so charmingly put it. (DUDE, what is the POINT of being idiotically rude?) Else, they would never have noticed or classified autism as something seperate from "retards" you must be confused from the fact that between 70%-80% of autists also have some measure of mental retardation. Not all, but most. The fact that some don't is proof enough that it is a SEPERATE disorder.
Oh, and By the Way, you clearly said "WOMEN" (not "parents")who go to work and the beginning of your whole argument says part of the blames rests with WOMEN's lib... so yeah I have to agree... you ARE blaming women.
There's also a lot of parents who think that starving instead of working te feed the family is kind of demeaning. Does it not occur to you that the mothers and fathers who "chuck their child into " daycares are not exactly thrilled about that aspect of life? Do we really need more guilt piled onto a bunch of people who certainly have enough shit to deal with as it is just BEING parents?
Oh I know you have some really impressive acerbic comeback to that which will prove how superior your mind is.... of course being smart as a whip doesn't automatically convey wisdom. Walk a mile in their shoes bub.
Geek girls are everywhere. Sadly, they don't get asked out by geek guys who seem to have a tendancy to overlook them in favor of super-model types.
After all, what makes you think Geek girls are better looking than Geek guys?
If you had any idea how difficult it is to find help for and raise an autistic child you wouldn't say such ignorant things. Any parent who tries to get their child misdiagnosed as autistic would either change their mind in a hurry once they find out how impossible it can be to get help or they must be HUGE masochists. It's like saying lots of white teenagers want to be classified as african americans cause it's overromanticized in the media! IF they could get away with such a thing, they'd change their mind in a HUGE hurry. IF you think having an autistic child has any kind of advantage so far as getting special help for your kid, you are really in the dark my friend. There are parents of autist who move to other states, other regions, other COUNTRIES in order to find some kind of help for their situation. Any professional who works with autists would not hesitate in the slightest to turn away a child who was not definitely truly autistic... they have no dearth of clientele.
There is nothing romantic about it.
The article is about AUTISM not ADHD.
Autists are not necessarily "little hellions" although they have fits like any other child. The fact that they cannot discern "proper" behavior in different social settings makes their outbursts sometimes seem hellacious and other times amusing.
The diagnostic criteria for Autism is not at all vague. Perhaps you should look it up, it is all over the web. What is vague is the fact that Autism is now considered a Spectrum disorder so there are some kids who display the symptoms but not to the strict degree that "classic" autism calls for to have a diagnosis.
The whole of the article is to state that stats show an increase in Autism even when all other facters are taken into consideration. An authority is quoted as saying 'anyone who still thinks that there is only an increase it diagnosis has their head in the sand' Somehow you know better than all the doctors' parents, therapists and state offcials about a primarily genetic disorder you seem to confuse with a psychiatric disorder?
Parents af neurotypicals like to think that this is all just hoopla so we selfish negligent parents can avoid responsibility for our bratty kids. Well I am beginning to think that this attitude shows how parents af neurotypicals just want to feel superior so no one will notice how boringly selfish THEY are about their own kids when they give them every comfort known to man then beat them because the kid acts selfish.
The problem of your argument is that you seem to assume that autists actually care to function in society. The fact is that most don't seem to care. People like Dr. Grandin are rare and she says that she only desires to function in society so far to do as she likes. I don't know how things are in the Netherlands but I do know all my contact with Autists clearly shows that the biggest obstacle they face is their disinterest in the rest of the world of people. In other words, their biggest problem is the fact that they are autistic.
If putting kids in daycare or aftercare created autism then I do believe the national average would be a LOT higher than it is. Aftercare is not wholly new here. Nor is it a particularly American phenomenon. One of the striking stats about autism is that it occurs equally among the economic and privelege classes. It happens to rich, poor, working and professional classes, educated and uneducated parents alike.
The very fact that you equate Autism with ADHD suggests that you are not very familiar with what Autism really is. The behavior of an autist or even an "aspy" is quite different from "bratty" behavior.
If you saw a kid sitting in the middle of a store flapping his hands and hooting into his elbow you would think he was a brat whos parents weren't spending enough time with him? I don't know you but I would credit you with enough intelligence to see the difference between bratty behavior and autistic behavior. There is a vast difference between autistic behavior and ADHD behavior.
The article clearly mentions the overwhelming work that comes with having an autistic child... therapists, IEP meetings, specialty babysitters, sometimes physical assistance objects... one does not have the choice of being an absent parent when the usually simple process of findng someone else to watch your child becomes impossible because no one else can handle him.
Please don't point your finger at parents until you know what you are up against. Volunteer at a charity aftercare. See what we have to deal with before you start yelling about misdiagnosis and "negligent" parenting.
what does it hurt you to be nice or fair to morons besides trip your impatience? What is your gain in being unfair? what do you gain by acting just like the high school morons who beat the shit out of nerds?
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it says on the site you give that the following is a SAMPLE.s m. html
Try this site:
http://www.autism-society.org/whatisautism/auti
if you want to know something, go to the source, and pay attention to the answer.
>It's a genuine, empirically verifiable form of >brain damage that *primarily* leads to severe >retardation of social skills (and that, I can >assure you, is a very broad category of skills), >but to other forms of retardation as well. Perhaps I'm being picky but... Brain Damage? Empirically verifiable? Gee, you know something all those researchers and Doctors don't huh?
It's a brain disorder and it manifests itself within a range of symptoms. "Brain Damage" implies some kind of destruction or other physical restructuring that can be seen. What is called "brain damage" refers to pre-natal or neo-natal trauma caused by extenuating circumstances that could have been avoided or prevented.
IF this is true of autism they haven't figured it out yet.
Ignoring for the moment the highly unscientific and inflammatory use of the word, it is simply not true that the behavior of an autist is indistinguishable from that of someone considered "a retard" as you so charmingly put it. (DUDE, what is the POINT of being idiotically rude?) Else, they would never have noticed or classified autism as something seperate from "retards"
you must be confused from the fact that between 70%-80% of autists also have some measure of mental retardation. Not all, but most. The fact that some don't is proof enough that it is a SEPERATE disorder.
AND THERE ARE NO DRUGS FOR IT!!!! get it through your head, fool, NO ONE said anything about 'cramming pills' down autists throats!!!
Oh, and By the Way, you clearly said "WOMEN" (not "parents")who go to work and the beginning of your whole argument says part of the blames rests with WOMEN's lib... so yeah I have to agree... you ARE blaming women.
There's also a lot of parents who think that starving instead of working te feed the family is kind of demeaning. Does it not occur to you that the mothers and fathers who "chuck their child into " daycares are not exactly thrilled about that aspect of life? Do we really need more guilt piled onto a bunch of people who certainly have enough shit to deal with as it is just BEING parents?
Oh I know you have some really impressive acerbic comeback to that which will prove how superior your mind is.... of course being smart as a whip doesn't automatically convey wisdom.
Walk a mile in their shoes bub.
Geek girls are everywhere. Sadly, they don't get asked out by geek guys who seem to have a tendancy to overlook them in favor of super-model types.
After all, what makes you think Geek girls are better looking than Geek guys?
If you had any idea how difficult it is to find help for and raise an autistic child you wouldn't say such ignorant things. Any parent who tries to get their child misdiagnosed as autistic would either change their mind in a hurry once they find out how impossible it can be to get help or they must be HUGE masochists. It's like saying lots of white teenagers want to be classified as african americans cause it's overromanticized in the media! IF they could get away with such a thing, they'd change their mind in a HUGE hurry. IF you think having an autistic child has any kind of advantage so far as getting special help for your kid, you are really in the dark my friend. There are parents of autist who move to other states, other regions, other COUNTRIES in order to find some kind of help for their situation. Any professional who works with autists would not hesitate in the slightest to turn away a child who was not definitely truly autistic... they have no dearth of clientele.
There is nothing romantic about it.
The article is about AUTISM not ADHD. Autists are not necessarily "little hellions" although they have fits like any other child. The fact that they cannot discern "proper" behavior in different social settings makes their outbursts sometimes seem hellacious and other times amusing.
The diagnostic criteria for Autism is not at all vague. Perhaps you should look it up, it is all over the web. What is vague is the fact that Autism is now considered a Spectrum disorder so there are some kids who display the symptoms but not to the strict degree that "classic" autism calls for to have a diagnosis.
The whole of the article is to state that stats show an increase in Autism even when all other facters are taken into consideration. An authority is quoted as saying 'anyone who still thinks that there is only an increase it diagnosis has their head in the sand'
Somehow you know better than all the doctors' parents, therapists and state offcials about a primarily genetic disorder you seem to confuse with a psychiatric disorder?
Parents af neurotypicals like to think that this is all just hoopla so we selfish negligent parents can avoid responsibility for our bratty kids. Well I am beginning to think that this attitude shows how parents af neurotypicals just want to feel superior so no one will notice how boringly selfish THEY are about their own kids when they give them every comfort known to man then beat them because the kid acts selfish.
The problem of your argument is that you seem to assume that autists actually care to function in society. The fact is that most don't seem to care. People like Dr. Grandin are rare and she says that she only desires to function in society so far to do as she likes. I don't know how things are in the Netherlands but I do know all my contact with Autists clearly shows that the biggest obstacle they face is their disinterest in the rest of the world of people. In other words, their biggest problem is the fact that they are autistic. If putting kids in daycare or aftercare created autism then I do believe the national average would be a LOT higher than it is. Aftercare is not wholly new here. Nor is it a particularly American phenomenon. One of the striking stats about autism is that it occurs equally among the economic and privelege classes. It happens to rich, poor, working and professional classes, educated and uneducated parents alike. The very fact that you equate Autism with ADHD suggests that you are not very familiar with what Autism really is. The behavior of an autist or even an "aspy" is quite different from "bratty" behavior. If you saw a kid sitting in the middle of a store flapping his hands and hooting into his elbow you would think he was a brat whos parents weren't spending enough time with him? I don't know you but I would credit you with enough intelligence to see the difference between bratty behavior and autistic behavior. There is a vast difference between autistic behavior and ADHD behavior. The article clearly mentions the overwhelming work that comes with having an autistic child... therapists, IEP meetings, specialty babysitters, sometimes physical assistance objects... one does not have the choice of being an absent parent when the usually simple process of findng someone else to watch your child becomes impossible because no one else can handle him. Please don't point your finger at parents until you know what you are up against. Volunteer at a charity aftercare. See what we have to deal with before you start yelling about misdiagnosis and "negligent" parenting.
what does it hurt you to be nice or fair to morons besides trip your impatience? What is your gain in being unfair? what do you gain by acting just like the high school morons who beat the shit out of nerds?