1) email one's respective instructors for the upcoming term asking
for info. on required texts. I ask for ISBN #s explicitly and get
them most of the time, the times I don't I might go back and confirm
texts with the instructor to determine the ISBN.
2) shop for best price.
Start #1 at least 2-3 weeks before the term begins as Amazon (and other
online shops) default to pretty slow textbook shipping. (One place in
Texas comes to mind, forget the name, but they are a big online textbook
source and good otherwise...)
Anyway - I rarely ever go to my campus bookstore. They are unprofessional
and recently cordoned off the book sections, insisting that the "employees"
will retrieve desired texts. Not sure why and no explanation is given. (I'll
show you if you'd like to visit Hayward, CA. oops.)
sheldon - I'm sorry your MCSE doesn't keep you more occupied that you might not post your silly,
myopic views here.
Indeed, no, companies might not base IT purchasing decisions on informal polls but big software companies just might quote such polls to bolster their claimed products' popularity. Further, in time, the fact that this poll was skewed to the point of irrelevance will be lost and certainly *not* included in any such future quote. So while
a company might not *directly* base a purchasing decision on a poll, several polls, a Gartner "study" and supposed sales might indicate that a
development IDE/platform is a viable choice. All the while those in IT departments are being fed FUD/false positive crap by M$. Your second "point" is almost true. Most IT departments have a choice these days - commercial products or OS products.
Enlightened IT depts are willing to incorporate as many OS apps as their staff is able. Less enlightened depts indeed use strength of contractual obligations in support contracts to
sway, at least in part, IT purchsing decisions. I don't know if you actually work in IT (judging by
your feeble website I doubt it....) but enterprise
sw is very expensive these days so IT depts cannot afford to spend $100k+ (or +++) a year and *not*
adequately support it - so either staff *or* an expensive support contract must follow. Guaranteed - if legal action is contractually denied many a CIO/CFO will balk at signing. Again - I actually work in IT and have seen this decision-making process, generally by big companies with legal staffers just waiting for activity.
You see, sheldon, (nice name btw) although some of us here dislike M$ to the point of being zealous we have good reason. Think about this a moment -
here is arguably the worlds' most dominant monopoly, our own gov't seems unable to decide to really punish, and yet still M$ stoops to this kind of crap? The problem in this case is that developers are a little smarter than most..NET
is basically a marketing ploy (worst part is hailstorm) to draw attention away from java. This
poll is garbage and until at least a year goes by with M$ abstaining from these tactics you pro-M$
drones will have to eat all the comments made here.
good luck.....
ok, Mr. WildBeast, let's get particular.....what, exactly, do you mean by "all those companies?", that is, are you meaning commercial applications or internal apps? It has been my experience that java is primarily used (please anyone correct me)
to create "server-side" apps that serve up info to
a www server or internal server of some sort. This being the case I don't quite understand your question....Now, about Mr. Gates already controlling the sw industry. The point about this
discussion is that while I sit here writing java/perl/sh on my unixbox, for unix boxes, in a language *not* owned/sold by M$ I contend that Mr. Gates in fact does not control the sw industry. Again, let's get particular. What does he really control? I'm not entirely convinced that he still cannot control.NET/C#, but even if he can't what
purpose do these constructs have? C# is a blatant
attempt to divert programmers from Java and.NET appears to be the marketing side of where C# will
play. If Mr. Gates was comfortable with all the java non-.NET coding and web infrastructure that is already out there why "invent" these 2 items?
People use java (again, my perception) to serve up
web-centric information, commonly pulling it from a database. Why do we need C#/.NET?
I'm sorry - no one here is backed into a corner. We are actually quite free to move about, look at different things and enjoy our freedom. You see, Mr. TheCabal, we are largely anti-M$ because indeed M$ strives to take away this freedom to pick and choose OS, browser, and now even 3rd-generation object-oriented programming language. What we share here is an outlook which continually, almost without fail, sees M$' efforts to *control*, one by one (as they become significant) all segments of the software industry. No, Mr. TheCabal, we don't see the end of the world but our vigilant eye sees M$ as we all should - M$ strives for control. We don't want to be controlled. And the real problem here is that marketshare dictates control of commercial software segments. You might say that we can choose to avoid Cflat and.NOT, but if all M$ drones adopt these wannabe Java-architected "framework" bits then we will, increasingly, have less choice. This is unacceptable. I'm unclear as to what "cabal" you adhere to, Mr. TheCabal, but if it is indeed M$ I urge you to reveal your true colors.
Mr. WildBeast, you're not very Wild, are you?
Now look here, chap, Adobe, Corel, et al. have been forced to create different versions of their
java apps because our beloved M$ bastardizes the JVM. Now that we are seeing the longer-term affects of Sun's victory over M$ re. this same attempt to railroad Java we see since M$ is unable
to bend java to their liking (control) they are now hell-bent on subverting the minds of programmers to pay attention to something *other* than java. Remember - a victory for something *other* than java is a victory for M$. Secondly, your claim that Bill Gates has enough $ so why would he attempt to garner more $ via.NOT, er.NET and Cflat? Well, Mr. WildBeast, why then does Mr. Gates get up and go to work at all? Why didn't he go full-time to building his house years ago when he had enough $? The answer here is that $ isn't what Mr. Gates wants. No, you see Mr. WildBeast, Mr. Gates is truly a monomaniacal individual who wants to *control* the software industry. If you read a little from the various/.ers here this will be clear. As it is clear to us that anything M$ produces is indeed intended to further their interests. This is all well and good - we expect that from for-profit companies. The problem here Mr. WildBeast is that M$ doesn't play nice and has, currently, FAR too much attention from programmers and IT middle managers.
I like sharing my viewpoint with people on this site because it becomes almost a game to guess people's true intentions - are you, Mr. WildBeast,
just another paid M$ drone or a real person posing
honest, what about.NET/C# questions? I can't tell.
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1) email one's respective instructors for the upcoming term asking for info. on required texts. I ask for ISBN #s explicitly and get them most of the time, the times I don't I might go back and confirm texts with the instructor to determine the ISBN. 2) shop for best price. Start #1 at least 2-3 weeks before the term begins as Amazon (and other online shops) default to pretty slow textbook shipping. (One place in Texas comes to mind, forget the name, but they are a big online textbook source and good otherwise...) Anyway - I rarely ever go to my campus bookstore. They are unprofessional and recently cordoned off the book sections, insisting that the "employees" will retrieve desired texts. Not sure why and no explanation is given. (I'll show you if you'd like to visit Hayward, CA. oops.)
sheldon - I'm sorry your MCSE doesn't keep you more occupied that you might not post your silly, .NET
myopic views here.
Indeed, no, companies might not base IT purchasing decisions on informal polls but big software companies just might quote such polls to bolster their claimed products' popularity. Further, in time, the fact that this poll was skewed to the point of irrelevance will be lost and certainly *not* included in any such future quote. So while
a company might not *directly* base a purchasing decision on a poll, several polls, a Gartner "study" and supposed sales might indicate that a
development IDE/platform is a viable choice. All the while those in IT departments are being fed FUD/false positive crap by M$. Your second "point" is almost true. Most IT departments have a choice these days - commercial products or OS products.
Enlightened IT depts are willing to incorporate as many OS apps as their staff is able. Less enlightened depts indeed use strength of contractual obligations in support contracts to
sway, at least in part, IT purchsing decisions. I don't know if you actually work in IT (judging by
your feeble website I doubt it....) but enterprise
sw is very expensive these days so IT depts cannot afford to spend $100k+ (or +++) a year and *not*
adequately support it - so either staff *or* an expensive support contract must follow. Guaranteed - if legal action is contractually denied many a CIO/CFO will balk at signing. Again - I actually work in IT and have seen this decision-making process, generally by big companies with legal staffers just waiting for activity.
You see, sheldon, (nice name btw) although some of us here dislike M$ to the point of being zealous we have good reason. Think about this a moment -
here is arguably the worlds' most dominant monopoly, our own gov't seems unable to decide to really punish, and yet still M$ stoops to this kind of crap? The problem in this case is that developers are a little smarter than most.
is basically a marketing ploy (worst part is hailstorm) to draw attention away from java. This
poll is garbage and until at least a year goes by with M$ abstaining from these tactics you pro-M$
drones will have to eat all the comments made here.
good luck.....
ok, Mr. WildBeast, let's get particular.....what, exactly, do you mean by "all those companies?", that is, are you meaning commercial applications or internal apps? It has been my experience that java is primarily used (please anyone correct me) to create "server-side" apps that serve up info to a www server or internal server of some sort. This being the case I don't quite understand your question....Now, about Mr. Gates already controlling the sw industry. The point about this discussion is that while I sit here writing java/perl/sh on my unixbox, for unix boxes, in a language *not* owned/sold by M$ I contend that Mr. Gates in fact does not control the sw industry. Again, let's get particular. What does he really control? I'm not entirely convinced that he still cannot control .NET/C#, but even if he can't what
purpose do these constructs have? C# is a blatant
attempt to divert programmers from Java and .NET appears to be the marketing side of where C# will
play. If Mr. Gates was comfortable with all the java non-.NET coding and web infrastructure that is already out there why "invent" these 2 items?
People use java (again, my perception) to serve up
web-centric information, commonly pulling it from a database. Why do we need C#/.NET?
I'm sorry - no one here is backed into a corner. We are actually quite free to move about, look at different things and enjoy our freedom. You see, Mr. TheCabal, we are largely anti-M$ because indeed M$ strives to take away this freedom to pick and choose OS, browser, and now even 3rd-generation object-oriented programming language. What we share here is an outlook which continually, almost without fail, sees M$' efforts to *control*, one by one (as they become significant) all segments of the software industry. No, Mr. TheCabal, we don't see the end of the world but our vigilant eye sees M$ as we all should - M$ strives for control. We don't want to be controlled. And the real problem here is that marketshare dictates control of commercial software segments. You might say that we can choose to avoid Cflat and .NOT, but if all M$ drones adopt these wannabe Java-architected "framework" bits then we will, increasingly, have less choice. This is unacceptable. I'm unclear as to what "cabal" you adhere to, Mr. TheCabal, but if it is indeed M$ I urge you to reveal your true colors.
Mr. WildBeast, you're not very Wild, are you? Now look here, chap, Adobe, Corel, et al. have been forced to create different versions of their java apps because our beloved M$ bastardizes the JVM. Now that we are seeing the longer-term affects of Sun's victory over M$ re. this same attempt to railroad Java we see since M$ is unable to bend java to their liking (control) they are now hell-bent on subverting the minds of programmers to pay attention to something *other* than java. Remember - a victory for something *other* than java is a victory for M$. Secondly, your claim that Bill Gates has enough $ so why would he attempt to garner more $ via .NOT, er .NET and Cflat? Well, Mr. WildBeast, why then does Mr. Gates get up and go to work at all? Why didn't he go full-time to building his house years ago when he had enough $? The answer here is that $ isn't what Mr. Gates wants. No, you see Mr. WildBeast, Mr. Gates is truly a monomaniacal individual who wants to *control* the software industry. If you read a little from the various /.ers here this will be clear. As it is clear to us that anything M$ produces is indeed intended to further their interests. This is all well and good - we expect that from for-profit companies. The problem here Mr. WildBeast is that M$ doesn't play nice and has, currently, FAR too much attention from programmers and IT middle managers.
I like sharing my viewpoint with people on this site because it becomes almost a game to guess people's true intentions - are you, Mr. WildBeast,
just another paid M$ drone or a real person posing
honest, what about .NET/C# questions? I can't tell.