Sarcasm aside, an American lecturing me about racism? Yes it is a problem, but the two contries that pop into my head at the mention of racism are South Africa and America.
Then you are a poor student of history, is 1939-1945 missing from your textbook? More recently we've had the Balkans (ok, we've had the Balkans for centuries). Turks have been complaining about racism for decades, and the North Africans as well. Muslims in general are subject to a bit of racism right now.
Stones, glasshouses, and so on.
Exactly why I posted, the fairy tale of European perfection being portrayed. There are good people and bad people on both sides of the "pond".
x86 processor (if they change)
standard pci (and AGP) bus
commodity ram
ide/sata drives and connections
All the hardware interfaces would be 100% compatible with a pc.
You are not getting low level enough. Think timers, interrupt controllers, etc. All this low-level baggage being carried around from 8088 days. Now toss in the various glue logic...
In other words you are only referring to things that plug into the motherboard, I am referring to how things are implemented on the motherboard.
"I thought European nations had a good educational system, I guess not where history is concerned. After the last major European effort to level its own continent it was the United States that provided enormous humanitarian aid to feed the hungry and enormous reconstruction aid to restore industries and economies.
I realize the far left is still in a hate America cold war mode but try not to confuse Soviet era propoganda with a legitimate disagreement over the invasion of Iraq."
What happened 50 years ago means nothing when you're screwing up now.
I guess modern history is not well covered in school either, consider the Balkans. Prior to a US commitment there was more talk than action. Again, try to separate ultra-left politics and honest disagreement over the Iraqi invasion from reality.
Not in Europe. They actually retained some ideals from the Enlightenment, beyond their immediate usefulness in fomenting rebellion. You know, things like human rights come before other considerations, like profits.
Your comments about Europeans retaining concepts like human right from the Enlightenment would have been more credible if not for the recently practiced concepts suchs as communism, fascism, racism, etc. Your view of history is quite seclective. Please do not interpret this as a slam against Europeans. My ancestors are from various parts of Europe, I've enjoyed visiting, and I've enjoyed meeting relatives. However history is history and everyone has their darker moments.
as an american company, it should follow the american ideals of shitting all over everyone outside its borders
I thought European nations had a good educational system, I guess not where history is concerned. After the last major European effort to level its own continent it was the United States that provided enormous humanitarian aid to feed the hungry and enormous reconstruction aid to restore industries and economies.
I realize the far left is still in a hate America cold war mode but try not to confuse Soviet era propoganda with a legitimate disagreement over the invasion of Iraq.
Not to mention, the PowerPC processor is the only edge Macs have left on PC hardware.
Not true. Apple has two edges. (1) Complete control of hardware and operating system. (2) Mac OS X. Neither of these are PowerPC dependent.
If Apple goes x86 the Mac will simply be an overpriced PC running a pretty gui on top of BSD.
Also not true. An x86 Mac would not be yet another PC clone. Apple could keep much of its current proprietary design and ignore IBM PC compatibility. A computer's architecture is much more than it's CPU.
... but don't you need two NIC's? where's the other one going, unless hopefully one day the airport extreme drivers become available...
No airport, I don't bother with wireless on desktops that already live in a heavily wired room. I would connect to the cable modem with USB 2.0 and use the ethernet for the switch. This is all theoretical, my mini is still being used as a desktop.
... on newer hardware, especially since you can't get airport extreme to work, there's little(not no, just little) reason to run linux over os x
"Little" may not be as small as some readers are thinking. Again, think non-desktop applications. For example the mini is small, quiet, and could make a good OpenBSD firewall. Do you recall all the various articles around here where people were spending lots of money to build quiet PCs for firewalls, lightweight home servers, etc? I think the base mini would be an attractive alternative. If my current firewall dies I'd consider the base mini over my an old celeron or 604e. Similar story with my home file server. It only receives lightweight use, transferring the odd file, backing up files, etc. The mini's slow hard drive wouldn't bother me. I'm currently using a mini with 10.4 for email, web, and lightweight development. I expect it will someday become my home firewall or server.
Why forsake Mac OS X on a Mac, well think about non-desktop applications. For example the Navy using Yellow Dog Linux and Mac hardware for a Sonar application: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7789.
The pilots will always be required to do some manual traps. They cannot become dependent on an automated system. They must also learn to deal with stress and fear, night carrier traps are useful there. IIRC some pilots were wired for telemetry during Vietnam and the Navy found that night carrier traps were more frightening than braving Hanoii's air defense.
Manual night carrier traps are very useful to the Navy. When they have a pilot who will repeatedly do them they know they can point at pretty much any point on a map and he will fly there, he's already done scarier stuff.
The whole population was brainwashed. That's the sad part - even after two nuked cities, they still wanted to keep the war going, all to please the Emperor.
Well they did believe the emporer was a living god, a direct descendant of the sun god or something like that. It's a little easier when you bring religion into the mix, but not strictly required. The germans did have a few of their own ready to go but they were never really used IIRC. Political and philosophical indoctrination since childhood helped. And then there is the all purpose defending your homeland angle. Sad either way.
It's not simply pride, pilots who repeatedly endanger aircraft merely due to pride are quickly removed from flight status. Pilots will be required to make manual landing in order to train for equipment failure. These are combat aircraft. The other Navy motivation for doing it manually is to train the pilot to function under stress and fear. Night carrier landing can be more frightening than combat. IIRC during the Vietnam war the Navy wired some pilots and determined they were more stressed during night landings than when braving Hanoii's air defenses.
Last I heard the Navy still has people who plot position every day with map compass and chronometer and who shoot the sun and stars with a sextant. Again, these are warships and they can't be dependant on satellites.
Navigating with a map and compass can involve compelx trigonometry.
I'm going to hazard a guess that you have never done air or land navigation with a map and compass? Pilots have had circular slide-rule type calculators for navigation for quite a long time, no understanding of trig required. Land navigation doesn't require a knowledge of trig either. Hell, Boy Scout land navigation exercise aren't that different from military ones.
Dare I suggest? It is not the language but the libraries that give "today's" languages the edge.
Please do so. Many of the kiddies around here fail to make that distinction. They need to understand that the code generators and libraries that have increased productivity are one thing, and that the language they use to express *their* concepts and ideas are another.
It might be easier if you have no idea how to really use a computer, and are not willing to learn.
You seem to confuse "use" with "maintain", a common failure among OS advocates. Using a computer does not require any knowledge of how to upgrade/patch the OS or apps. Using a computer is simply knowing how to operate the application you need to accomplish your task. Patching may be simple and necessary but it should be entirely automated, if not you are doing maintenance.
If the US puts guns in the sky, China or many other countries who feel rightly threatened by the US will rush to follow. It will be back to the cold war days, it seems Americans enjoy the feeling of having guns pointed at you.
We should follow Tibet's pacifist example, that way we won't have to worry about Chinese guns being pointed at us.
If China is using Red Flag Linux, and the software written is GPL, then I say so what.
We can benefit from all the GPL software written as much as the Chinese.
The only ones to complain would be those that dont want to participate in FOSS.
FOSS benefits only at the pleasure of the Chinese government, they don't have to share anything they write for themselves. The GPL would only require that they share *if* they distribute their software to someone outside of the government. While supporting Red Flag Linux is in their best interest they *may* decide that it is not in their best interest to share their applications, utilities, and other pieces of software.
Ignoring the whole NSAKey fracas from a few years back...
Good choice, that was debunked.
... exactly why do you think Microsoft has given China--or anyone else, for the matter--the "complete" source code to Windows? My understanding is that no one outside of Microsoft has the capability to build the software...
Because some University professors and students have access to the Windows source, because they have built Windows themselves. A friend doing OS research once worked on a project that was granted access. They had to sign NDAs but there were no restrictions on their ability to publish and the license was transferable should the project move to a different University.
Before you start tossing around statements like "And you have the nerve to call the grandparent "clueless?" perhaps you should get a clue yourself. Beyond the example above, the government could simply (a) use what they can build rather than a commercial distribution or (b) tell MS something is missing and that the terms of their contract have not been fulfilled.
It makes a hell of a differents, because the chineese will no longer (if they decide to use linux) use non free formats and generations of chineese will not grow up accostumed to MS software, but to linux.
That is completely false. Linux does not prevent you from creating new proprietary formats. If the government develops software for use by government personel there is no requirement to let the public have the source. Note that if the software is only to be run on school computers then it has not been distributed to the schoolchildren. *If* they want to the Chinese government could use Linux and lock things up.
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Sarcasm aside, an American lecturing me about racism? Yes it is a problem, but the two contries that pop into my head at the mention of racism are South Africa and America.
Then you are a poor student of history, is 1939-1945 missing from your textbook? More recently we've had the Balkans (ok, we've had the Balkans for centuries). Turks have been complaining about racism for decades, and the North Africans as well. Muslims in general are subject to a bit of racism right now.
Stones, glasshouses, and so on.
Exactly why I posted, the fairy tale of European perfection being portrayed. There are good people and bad people on both sides of the "pond".
x86 processor (if they change)
...
standard pci (and AGP) bus
commodity ram
ide/sata drives and connections
All the hardware interfaces would be 100% compatible with a pc.
You are not getting low level enough. Think timers, interrupt controllers, etc. All this low-level baggage being carried around from 8088 days. Now toss in the various glue logic
In other words you are only referring to things that plug into the motherboard, I am referring to how things are implemented on the motherboard.
"I thought European nations had a good educational system, I guess not where history is concerned. After the last major European effort to level its own continent it was the United States that provided enormous humanitarian aid to feed the hungry and enormous reconstruction aid to restore industries and economies. I realize the far left is still in a hate America cold war mode but try not to confuse Soviet era propoganda with a legitimate disagreement over the invasion of Iraq."
What happened 50 years ago means nothing when you're screwing up now.
I guess modern history is not well covered in school either, consider the Balkans. Prior to a US commitment there was more talk than action. Again, try to separate ultra-left politics and honest disagreement over the Iraqi invasion from reality.
What do you think communism is?
The ultimate entitlement system and the ultimate non-merit system.
Not in Europe. They actually retained some ideals from the Enlightenment, beyond their immediate usefulness in fomenting rebellion. You know, things like human rights come before other considerations, like profits.
Your comments about Europeans retaining concepts like human right from the Enlightenment would have been more credible if not for the recently practiced concepts suchs as communism, fascism, racism, etc. Your view of history is quite seclective. Please do not interpret this as a slam against Europeans. My ancestors are from various parts of Europe, I've enjoyed visiting, and I've enjoyed meeting relatives. However history is history and everyone has their darker moments.
as an american company, it should follow the american ideals of shitting all over everyone outside its borders
I thought European nations had a good educational system, I guess not where history is concerned. After the last major European effort to level its own continent it was the United States that provided enormous humanitarian aid to feed the hungry and enormous reconstruction aid to restore industries and economies.
I realize the far left is still in a hate America cold war mode but try not to confuse Soviet era propoganda with a legitimate disagreement over the invasion of Iraq.
Not to mention, the PowerPC processor is the only edge Macs have left on PC hardware.
Not true. Apple has two edges. (1) Complete control of hardware and operating system. (2) Mac OS X. Neither of these are PowerPC dependent.
If Apple goes x86 the Mac will simply be an overpriced PC running a pretty gui on top of BSD.
Also not true. An x86 Mac would not be yet another PC clone. Apple could keep much of its current proprietary design and ignore IBM PC compatibility. A computer's architecture is much more than it's CPU.
... but don't you need two NIC's? where's the other one going, unless hopefully one day the airport extreme drivers become available ...
No airport, I don't bother with wireless on desktops that already live in a heavily wired room. I would connect to the cable modem with USB 2.0 and use the ethernet for the switch. This is all theoretical, my mini is still being used as a desktop.
... on newer hardware, especially since you can't get airport extreme to work, there's little(not no, just little) reason to run linux over os x
"Little" may not be as small as some readers are thinking. Again, think non-desktop applications. For example the mini is small, quiet, and could make a good OpenBSD firewall. Do you recall all the various articles around here where people were spending lots of money to build quiet PCs for firewalls, lightweight home servers, etc? I think the base mini would be an attractive alternative. If my current firewall dies I'd consider the base mini over my an old celeron or 604e. Similar story with my home file server. It only receives lightweight use, transferring the odd file, backing up files, etc. The mini's slow hard drive wouldn't bother me. I'm currently using a mini with 10.4 for email, web, and lightweight development. I expect it will someday become my home firewall or server.
Why forsake Mac OS X on a Mac, well think about non-desktop applications. For example the Navy using Yellow Dog Linux and Mac hardware for a Sonar application: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7789.
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For a somewhat detailed list of who is using Yellow Dog Linux see the links on http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/realworld/showc
The pilots will always be required to do some manual traps. They cannot become dependent on an automated system. They must also learn to deal with stress and fear, night carrier traps are useful there. IIRC some pilots were wired for telemetry during Vietnam and the Navy found that night carrier traps were more frightening than braving Hanoii's air defense.
Manual night carrier traps are very useful to the Navy. When they have a pilot who will repeatedly do them they know they can point at pretty much any point on a map and he will fly there, he's already done scarier stuff.
The whole population was brainwashed. That's the sad part - even after two nuked cities, they still wanted to keep the war going, all to please the Emperor.
Well they did believe the emporer was a living god, a direct descendant of the sun god or something like that. It's a little easier when you bring religion into the mix, but not strictly required. The germans did have a few of their own ready to go but they were never really used IIRC. Political and philosophical indoctrination since childhood helped. And then there is the all purpose defending your homeland angle. Sad either way.
It's not simply pride, pilots who repeatedly endanger aircraft merely due to pride are quickly removed from flight status. Pilots will be required to make manual landing in order to train for equipment failure. These are combat aircraft. The other Navy motivation for doing it manually is to train the pilot to function under stress and fear. Night carrier landing can be more frightening than combat. IIRC during the Vietnam war the Navy wired some pilots and determined they were more stressed during night landings than when braving Hanoii's air defenses.
Last I heard the Navy still has people who plot position every day with map compass and chronometer and who shoot the sun and stars with a sextant. Again, these are warships and they can't be dependant on satellites.
Ships dock. Aircraft land. More specifically, naval aircraft "trap" when landing on a carrier.
Navigating with a map and compass can involve compelx trigonometry.
I'm going to hazard a guess that you have never done air or land navigation with a map and compass? Pilots have had circular slide-rule type calculators for navigation for quite a long time, no understanding of trig required. Land navigation doesn't require a knowledge of trig either. Hell, Boy Scout land navigation exercise aren't that different from military ones.
Dare I suggest? It is not the language but the libraries that give "today's" languages the edge.
Please do so. Many of the kiddies around here fail to make that distinction. They need to understand that the code generators and libraries that have increased productivity are one thing, and that the language they use to express *their* concepts and ideas are another.
In most corporate environments you would not be allowed to set automatic updates on.
Untrue, in corporate environments IT would have their own Windows Update server and have complete control of what patches the users get.
It might be easier if you have no idea how to really use a computer, and are not willing to learn.
You seem to confuse "use" with "maintain", a common failure among OS advocates. Using a computer does not require any knowledge of how to upgrade/patch the OS or apps. Using a computer is simply knowing how to operate the application you need to accomplish your task. Patching may be simple and necessary but it should be entirely automated, if not you are doing maintenance.
We should follow Iraqs example and only mess with internal things.
I believe Iran would disagree that Iraq only messes around internally, a million or so casualties IIRC.
If the US puts guns in the sky, China or many other countries who feel rightly threatened by the US will rush to follow. It will be back to the cold war days, it seems Americans enjoy the feeling of having guns pointed at you.
We should follow Tibet's pacifist example, that way we won't have to worry about Chinese guns being pointed at us.
... weren't we supposed to boycott Blizzard ...
No, only a couple of zealots (no pun intended) were supposed to do that. Most of us were just supposed to do what we thought would be fun.
I do not wish to offend, but I think there may be a logic error there ...
... but it's hard to conclude that the commercial release doesn't have back doors from that point ...
...
No, re-read: "(a) use what they can build rather than a commercial distribution"
No, compare the binaries, MD5 the binaries,
If China is using Red Flag Linux, and the software written is GPL, then I say so what. We can benefit from all the GPL software written as much as the Chinese. The only ones to complain would be those that dont want to participate in FOSS.
FOSS benefits only at the pleasure of the Chinese government, they don't have to share anything they write for themselves. The GPL would only require that they share *if* they distribute their software to someone outside of the government. While supporting Red Flag Linux is in their best interest they *may* decide that it is not in their best interest to share their applications, utilities, and other pieces of software.
Ignoring the whole NSAKey fracas from a few years back ...
... exactly why do you think Microsoft has given China--or anyone else, for the matter--the "complete" source code to Windows? My understanding is that no one outside of Microsoft has the capability to build the software ...
Good choice, that was debunked.
Because some University professors and students have access to the Windows source, because they have built Windows themselves. A friend doing OS research once worked on a project that was granted access. They had to sign NDAs but there were no restrictions on their ability to publish and the license was transferable should the project move to a different University.
Before you start tossing around statements like "And you have the nerve to call the grandparent "clueless?" perhaps you should get a clue yourself. Beyond the example above, the government could simply (a) use what they can build rather than a commercial distribution or (b) tell MS something is missing and that the terms of their contract have not been fulfilled.
It makes a hell of a differents, because the chineese will no longer (if they decide to use linux) use non free formats and generations of chineese will not grow up accostumed to MS software, but to linux.
That is completely false. Linux does not prevent you from creating new proprietary formats. If the government develops software for use by government personel there is no requirement to let the public have the source. Note that if the software is only to be run on school computers then it has not been distributed to the schoolchildren. *If* they want to the Chinese government could use Linux and lock things up.