I can't comprehend why the phone app isn't in memory on boot. It's a PHONE.
As Nokia put it, it's a device designed around "mobile computing." The phone app is entirely secondary (unlike on most Symbian devices, which have physical buttons) and is mostly there as a convenience thing. The primary reason the circuitry for it is even there is for 3G data.
Instead, when the phone rings you have to wait several seconds for the phone application to load.
Which lies totally outside my experience, where it comes up instantly.
90% of the lag on the N900 is if you've just done something memory intensive (notably the browser) that caused stuff to be paged out to the eMMC, which isn't exactly fast. But the crippling problems that used to cause were resolved back in September or so with the PR1.3 update.
In contrast, my wife's new HTC Z snaps and zings along with Android, even though it's "bloaty" Java / Davlik.
That's because it's a phone, and not a more general purpose sort of device. In fact, they don't even want you messing with it which is why you have to root the damned thing.
not a Chernobyl (already the same order of magnitude of contamination released and it's still rising)
It's still not a Chernobyl, and likely never will be. Unless you're suggesting that we missed one of the cores exploding and vaporizing enriched uranium over several hundred thousand kilometers, and people dying due directly to radiation exposure on site within hours.
The total amount of radiation released is roughly equivalent, but the contamination is nowhere near the degree of Chernobyl. It's a bunch of goddamn hype ridden by people who are more interested in humping their pet cause rather than looking at reality.
Oh hey, look, someone assuming that because I am opposed to Microsoft and Apple's behavior, that I am somehow a fan of Google's but have simply left it unstated. How about you keep your assumptions to yourself, eh?
you can build your own proprietary OS from BSD roots and invest a lot of money, or you can get a GPL license derivative (Android) and go with that at a much cheaper cost. Apple's now paying the price for making their deriviations of the Darwin tree more proprietary.
- Android is not a GPL derivative. Aside from the kernel it is Apache licensed. Incidentally, that there is no GPL upstream nor an effort to remain in sync with upstream for those that exist (the kernel, namely) is part of why "fragmentation" exists in Android.
You are right about MeeGo, though. But using MeeGo, Android or webOS won't save vendors from fucking up where Apple succeeds. The core OS is only part of the equation.
- Apple is developing OS X and iOS effectively in tandem, and will likely merge them at some point (for better or worse.) Apple is not conceivably paying any greater price than they were already, and it is not hampering their operations in the slightest.
It's the same reason Microsoft got "licensing agreements" with all the other handset vendors and is suing Motorola right now. They put a gun to their head and said "release WP7 handsets or we'll sue you for patent infringement." All the others complied, and Motorola is being sued for patent infringement. This is why Microsoft loves software patents and doesn't oppose them outright.
Yes, both Apple and Microsoft are anti-choice and act in anti-competitive manners. This is nothing new, nor will anyone step in to stop it.
People who use apple products and like them are quick to point out flaws.
Like the core flaw of Apple demanding total control over the device?
People who do not use Apple products and hate them, are quick to say EVERYTHING is a flaw, regardless of how good it really is.
I'm more annoyed at the above posters attitude, which can be summed up in his first post in the thread where he posted the false dichotomy of "spend the money on lots of bad things" or "buy ipads for kids." If you had talked to me in 2006 and 2007, I would have told you great things about Apple. And I will not argue that they are superior in many aspects now. But this is an utter waste of money, and sadly supports the normalcy of crippled computing as desired by Apple and Microsoft.
So instead of claiming to know what I think, how about instead you shut the fuck up.
the danger if you cannot is that you will be unable to predict the path of technology in an world of escalating change.
I can see the path. The one being pushed now is one of DRM, restrictions, paywalls, and the utter inability to do anything without paying rent-seekers and hoping what you do is blessed by some corporation.
Is the whole point of the iPad. It's good for creation, with the absolute exception being if you are a computer geek or interested in writing software. There Apple throws up paywalls and DRM.
The iPad is at this point, by far, the single best tool we could give them because of the flexibility
How about we give them real things, like actual instruments, pads of paper, and real art supplies? $500 can buy a lot of those, multiplied by several thousand children and you can buy even more.
I've got no patience for people with such unfaltering adoration of a single company's products, especially when it comes off as fawning idol worship. Never mind the utter and total fucking waste of money this article is covering.
I remember being interested in computers early on, yet having no knowledge of how anything worked. That inspired me to go to the library and check out as many books as I could on computers, operating systems, programming languages, etc, which helped me to tinker around with my machine at home.
And what Apple is pushing with the iProducts is that "you don't own your computer, we do." It'll interest them enough to mess with what they have at home, but then they'll find that they have to pay Apple again to access the mobile device, and only on extremely limited terms. Everything that I learned about computers was on hardware that never fought me or got in my way. And if Apple et. al. have their way, they'll undo the terrible mistake of DRM free, unrestricted computers being available to the average person.
The worst part is taxpayer money feeding into Apple's OCD, and their insistence that "the mobile space is only for thus and only those who pay us to bless them."
The iPad is *cheap*, its slim, it has ten hour battery life, people of all ages LOVE them, its hard to break physically (the ones I've seen at schools have cases, a netbook would be just as breakable, perhaps more so due to mass RE dropping), the software is incredible...
Stop sucking Jobs' cock, please. Your whorishness, it is showing. Not a single one of those is justification for blowing $500 a pop on something. A total waste of goddamn taxpayer dollars.
It's not like they want YOU doing anything with it. They buy the absolute minimum to achieve the desired result, and developers work within those bounds. I wouldn't put any effort into breaking into the locked down DRM boxes than what is necessary to play a game, especially when you can do all the same and then some on a PC.
Wouldn't most Linux (or even Windows) apps be a huge pain to use on just a touch screen?
Well, if native Linux were available on devices and toolkits became better geared for handling multiple modes of interaction, there's no reason you couldn't load the same software on your tablet and on your desktop. It'd load one UI for the tablet and one UI for the desktop, with no code changes whatsoever between them.
Android does not magically make applications work in the touch formfactor. It simply has no non-touch-formfactor apps.
Don't know about you but no one sane wants changes optimized for always-off cellphone usage in their server distribution.
What kind of ignorant comment is this? Can you say why? I'd be shocked if you can.
In fact it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Linux/BSD/et al just isn't suitable for phones.
Point blank: bullshit.
Google only chose Linux because they have no experience writing operating systems; that and they always settle for inferior solutions when it means shipping a product earlier.
Actually, the company developing Android before Google bought them chose Linux for the same reason TiVO and many other vendors do: opportunistic leeching on the community, while none of their changes ever make it back into the core.
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As Nokia put it, it's a device designed around "mobile computing." The phone app is entirely secondary (unlike on most Symbian devices, which have physical buttons) and is mostly there as a convenience thing. The primary reason the circuitry for it is even there is for 3G data.
Which lies totally outside my experience, where it comes up instantly.
90% of the lag on the N900 is if you've just done something memory intensive (notably the browser) that caused stuff to be paged out to the eMMC, which isn't exactly fast. But the crippling problems that used to cause were resolved back in September or so with the PR1.3 update.
That's because it's a phone, and not a more general purpose sort of device. In fact, they don't even want you messing with it which is why you have to root the damned thing.
That's why he said weaboo-esque. I think you're needing to work on your English skills.
It's still not a Chernobyl, and likely never will be. Unless you're suggesting that we missed one of the cores exploding and vaporizing enriched uranium over several hundred thousand kilometers, and people dying due directly to radiation exposure on site within hours.
The total amount of radiation released is roughly equivalent, but the contamination is nowhere near the degree of Chernobyl. It's a bunch of goddamn hype ridden by people who are more interested in humping their pet cause rather than looking at reality.
Oh hey, look, someone assuming that because I am opposed to Microsoft and Apple's behavior, that I am somehow a fan of Google's but have simply left it unstated. How about you keep your assumptions to yourself, eh?
- Android is not a GPL derivative. Aside from the kernel it is Apache licensed. Incidentally, that there is no GPL upstream nor an effort to remain in sync with upstream for those that exist (the kernel, namely) is part of why "fragmentation" exists in Android.
You are right about MeeGo, though. But using MeeGo, Android or webOS won't save vendors from fucking up where Apple succeeds. The core OS is only part of the equation.
- Apple is developing OS X and iOS effectively in tandem, and will likely merge them at some point (for better or worse.) Apple is not conceivably paying any greater price than they were already, and it is not hampering their operations in the slightest.
Not a shred. But the environment and Microsoft's maliciousness certainly lead me to that conclusion.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/06/sony-ericsson-windows-phone-7-prototype-caught-in-the-wild/
But that's just one. What others are doing Android devices that aren't doing WP7 devices?
It's the same reason Microsoft got "licensing agreements" with all the other handset vendors and is suing Motorola right now. They put a gun to their head and said "release WP7 handsets or we'll sue you for patent infringement." All the others complied, and Motorola is being sued for patent infringement. This is why Microsoft loves software patents and doesn't oppose them outright.
Yes, both Apple and Microsoft are anti-choice and act in anti-competitive manners. This is nothing new, nor will anyone step in to stop it.
People who want to spend their own money on fancy cars are welcome to do so. This is not someone's personal finances. Don't be an idiot.
And only music. Everything else is wrapped up tightly in DRM. Especially the devices themselves.
Perhaps the problem is looking for tablets in the first place.
Maybe the money would be better spent on other things, and not the idiotic false dichotomy you paint this decision as.
Mostly because it's an extravagant waste of money.
Like the core flaw of Apple demanding total control over the device?
I'm more annoyed at the above posters attitude, which can be summed up in his first post in the thread where he posted the false dichotomy of "spend the money on lots of bad things" or "buy ipads for kids." If you had talked to me in 2006 and 2007, I would have told you great things about Apple. And I will not argue that they are superior in many aspects now. But this is an utter waste of money, and sadly supports the normalcy of crippled computing as desired by Apple and Microsoft.
So instead of claiming to know what I think, how about instead you shut the fuck up.
I can see the path. The one being pushed now is one of DRM, restrictions, paywalls, and the utter inability to do anything without paying rent-seekers and hoping what you do is blessed by some corporation.
Is the whole point of the iPad. It's good for creation, with the absolute exception being if you are a computer geek or interested in writing software. There Apple throws up paywalls and DRM.
How about we give them real things, like actual instruments, pads of paper, and real art supplies? $500 can buy a lot of those, multiplied by several thousand children and you can buy even more.
I've got no patience for people with such unfaltering adoration of a single company's products, especially when it comes off as fawning idol worship. Never mind the utter and total fucking waste of money this article is covering.
Goddamn you are a cocksucker. Stop turfing on Slashdot and get back to work, you fucking Apple cultist.
And what Apple is pushing with the iProducts is that "you don't own your computer, we do." It'll interest them enough to mess with what they have at home, but then they'll find that they have to pay Apple again to access the mobile device, and only on extremely limited terms. Everything that I learned about computers was on hardware that never fought me or got in my way. And if Apple et. al. have their way, they'll undo the terrible mistake of DRM free, unrestricted computers being available to the average person.
The worst part is taxpayer money feeding into Apple's OCD, and their insistence that "the mobile space is only for thus and only those who pay us to bless them."
Stop sucking Jobs' cock, please. Your whorishness, it is showing. Not a single one of those is justification for blowing $500 a pop on something. A total waste of goddamn taxpayer dollars.
Yeah, I hate real Linux distributions too. And making stupid, ignorant statements- just like you.
Because you're really going to own 3+ smartphones, and have your choice of console constrained by your wireless carrier. Right.
Why?
It's not like they want YOU doing anything with it. They buy the absolute minimum to achieve the desired result, and developers work within those bounds. I wouldn't put any effort into breaking into the locked down DRM boxes than what is necessary to play a game, especially when you can do all the same and then some on a PC.
Well, if native Linux were available on devices and toolkits became better geared for handling multiple modes of interaction, there's no reason you couldn't load the same software on your tablet and on your desktop. It'd load one UI for the tablet and one UI for the desktop, with no code changes whatsoever between them.
Android does not magically make applications work in the touch formfactor. It simply has no non-touch-formfactor apps.
I'd rather just use a standard distribution natively than have to play second-class under Google's thumb.
Unusual, no. Crap, yes.
Go read my response near the start of this topic. No, MEEGO IS NOT DEAD. People should think before they vomit all over Slashdot.
What kind of ignorant comment is this? Can you say why? I'd be shocked if you can.
Point blank: bullshit.
Actually, the company developing Android before Google bought them chose Linux for the same reason TiVO and many other vendors do: opportunistic leeching on the community, while none of their changes ever make it back into the core.