The Nazi party forced every single company to become 'partners' which meant the company did exactly what they were told to. That is nationalisation by another name and the fact that you try to defend that proves what kind of person you are.
The Nazi party sold off some shares and then regulated complete control of the companies anyway so still prvented private control of the means of production, which is the definition of Socialism...
Who owns the business on paper isn't what matters, that is why Socialism is defined as control of the means of production.
As to improving the economy, no such thing happened. Germany always had shortages of just about everything.
If we look at the facts we see everything you said is a lie.
They didn't need to nationalise the companies they just took complete control of them by force.
Hitler even said he was a Socialist and praised Socialism constantly.
"National Socialism was very much not socialist in any way."
Expect in regards to completely removing private control of the means of production.
Government provided medical.
Government provided jobs.
Government provided everything...
"The name was used to attract people."
No it was the basis of their policies
"On the other hand, it wasn't very right wing either."
It was Socialist, by definition of the term.
"But everyone insists it must be one or the other and it's used as a way to tarnish the reputation of the side that they disagree with."
Because it actually was left wing, with all the lefties praising the Nazi policies before the war.
" Politics these days is just stupid, I'd rather people get along as opposed to parties which claim that the othesr are traitors (not just the US, this is everywhere). Political parties are one of the worst ideas invented in my view."
Democracy is one of the worst ideas ever.
"Although I agree with you that both far left and far right want censorship."
Mostly the left because their ideas tend to disagree with reality.
"In many respects the USA main stream is anything from left."
The mainstream media definitely is left.
"The USA cannot even provide free hospitals"
Why should they?
" (which every other country in the world provides)"
That isn't an argument, if it were then it could be used to pronote anything other countries are doing regardless of it being the right thing or not...
"or add a background check for owning an automatic rifle."
To own an automatic rifke in the U.S. requires special licencing , background checks, and mental health assessments. Only a very small portion of the population are able to own them and it is very very expensive.
I think you are confused with semi-automatic rifles. This covers every rifle that is not bolt action...
Also they already require background checks for all rifle purchases.
Like I said earlier leftist nonses tends to disagree with reality.
"The far left would be advocating communism that is definitely not mainstream in the USA."
Communism is just a form of Socialism and the left is advocating Socialism.
"Although the left in terms of feminism is mainstream (in the media at least, talking to real women it isn't the case), you are not even allowed to say men may have a valid opinion, or innocent until proven guilty without being labeled misogynist."
Proof that the left is evil and doesn't like facts.
"Xi Jinping is right,"
No he is an arrogant dictator who needs a bullet in his head.
"as a PROUD AMERICAN,"
Is that why your comment is anonymous? Because you are proud?
"why does the first amendment allow the protection of GARBAGE,"
Because you don't get to decide what is garbage you braindead retard.
"it should be amended to protect only truthful speach while garbage speach should be a misdemeanor."
With the government determining what is truthful... I see...
"If the first amendment is allowed to continue to protect garbage, it might as well protect child predators"
They are committing acts of physical violence which is not speech.
"and street artists because of a lack of boundaries."
If they are making their street art without the consent of the people who own the property then they are criminals and need to be put in jail.
"Decency is a characteristic that eclipses religious boundaries."
And you have proven stupidity is a characteristic that eclipses all boundaries.
"If you are willing to protect any kind of speach,"
That is what free speech means. All speech is protected, even stuff I don't like.
"well then.... if you don't agree with being a decent well-rounded person of courtesy; clean and righteous,"
Which you define obviously...
" make yourself known!"
Here I am, bring on the soy boy brigade!
"There are street artists more than happy to beat the living fuck out of you,"
They can try, the little soy boy bitches aren't strong enough to even hurt.
"knocking you out,"
They can try but it won't go well for them.
" then grabbing your hair or ear and slamming the fuck out of your face on the ground and as the coup de gras, stomping on your lower jaw till it looks like mush."
So speech you don't like is bad and needs to be stopped but being a violent piece of shit is all good in your book?
Go f**k yourself anonymous, you are clearly a pu**y ass soy boy trying to act like a man...
"Wow such a hard decision: being courteous and decent and clean and righteous or ending as an art show."
Yeah your try that with me a**hole and see how beaten to death you get.
"Hard decision, yeah I know..."
No it's pretty easy, you are a coward and evil, just pure evil.
"Crony capitalism" is a misnomer."
How is Government giving favourable conditions to some conpines over others a misnomer? Really, I would like to know how you can think that.
"Nobody has to give favorable treatment to their cronies for property-owners to exploit non-property-owners."
Yeah they do, they need to make it so one of them can use force on the other.
"That's just capitalism."
No it isn't.
"That's what capitalism is: a market distorted in favor of those who own capital."
No it is literally just being able to privately control the means of production but nice try...
"What you call "crony capitalism" is just capitalism."
Nope, already explained why you are wrong above.
"What you call "capitalism" is just a free market."
Well in that case you are even more wrong because in the free market what you own doesn't mean you can force anyone to do anything.
"A free market where capital is widely distributed in a decentralized way, not held by one class of people to the exploitation of another, is market socialism."
No it isn't, by the very definition of the term Socialist that is untrue. To be Socialist there needs to be no privately controlled means of production.
""Socialism" doesn't mean everything is controlled by the state,"
Yeah it does.
"it means capital is owned by the people."
That would be a direct Democratic version of Socialism. There are many kinds, like those practiced by Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, etc
" Widespread individual ownership by many people still counts; it doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be collective ownership through the state."
That's all Socialism is, no privately controlled means of production...
So either you are ignorant or lying which is it?
"Free marketeers love the term "crony capitalism"
No we don't, we prefer it didn't exist.
" because whenever the worst excesses of their bankrupt amoral philosophy rears it's ugly head they have a scapegoat to point at."
Hat has never ever happened. You are simply lying because you don't have the facts on your side.
If you think otherwise please give me an example so I can prove you wrong.
"They loudly claim that all the evil results of encouraging control of an economy"
And provide proof that it is the result of such, stange that you miss that out.
" (and thus, inevitably a society)"
No such thing as society.
" to flow to people with the most stuff is a result of some unanticipated, impossible-to-account for factor"
The regulations that make it so are the factors we are talking about. We are very specific about what causes the problem.
"rather than the obvious result of applying a theoretical model to a world it does not match."
We aren't Socialists.
"Capitalism works perfectly, if only the world and human beings could just changed to accommodate it"
It works perfectly with people as they are.
"Crony capitalism" is a misnomer."
How is Government giving favourable conditions to some companies over others a misnomer? Really, I would like to know how you can think that.
"Nobody has to give favorable treatment to their cronies for property-owners to exploit non-property-owners."
Yeah they do, they need to make it so one of them can use force on the other.
"That's just capitalism."
No it isn't.
"That's what capitalism is: a market distorted in favor of those who own capital."
No it is literally just being able to privately control the means of production but nice try...
"What you call "crony capitalism" is just capitalism."
Nope, already explained why you are wrong above.
"What you call "capitalism" is just a free market."
Well in that case you are even more wrong because in the free market what you own doesn't mean you can force anyone to do anything.
"A free market where capital is widely distributed in a decentralized way, not held by one class of people to the exploitation of another, is market socialism."
No it isn't, by the very definition of the term Socialist that is untrue. To be Socialist there needs to be no privately controlled means of production.
""Socialism" doesn't mean everything is controlled by the state,"
Yeah it does.
"it means capital is owned by the people."
That would be a direct Democratic version of Socialism. There are many kinds, like those practiced by Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, etc
" Widespread individual ownership by many people still counts; it doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be collective ownership through the state."
That's all Socialism is, no privately controlled means of production...
So either you are ignorant or lying which is it?
"This has only ever described one type of person : the worst kind."
Socialists! The lowest form of scum on the face of the Earth.
"The hoarders. The greed. The ones that want to live in 20 mansions."
What they have isn't what is important, how they got it is. If they did not use force then nobody has any right to intervene and if they did then it should be prevented.
"The pricks that live at the top that rape the planet of its resources."
Except they don't, they use the resources wisely and for the benefit of others, that is why they have so much themselves. If they didn't benefit others more than it dealing with them does then wouldn't have any money at all.
"Fuck the "American Dream". It's the thing wrong with the world. It's the thing currently ruining it."
How? Your says so is not good enough.
"Uncontrolled Capitalism is NOT a good thing."
Why not? What evidence do you have for this?
"Not on a limited planet-only species."
Actually it and the free market are the best system for dealing with scarcity.
"Not even close."
Why? Again your say so is not enough.
"It's the worst thing for it."
How so?
"It's almost guaranteed to lead to war"
Every single war ever fought was because of government overstepping it's rightful bounds. The last world war was started by Socialists.
"and potentially even wiping the species out, even when they are fully capable of understanding that fact. (see the current political climate)"
With the left being violenebt thufs wanting to take away basic human rights like free speech, self defense etc etc.
"The only stable society is part capital and part socialist."
That is t even possible, by definition the two systems are mutually exclusive.
Capitalism is when the means of production may be privately controlled and Socialism is when they may not.
Learn what the terms mean.
"This is why the few countries that run on such a model FROM THE START,"
The only countries to do so collapsed in poverty years ago.
"like most of the Nordic countries,"
Just a few problems there
1. Reality shows these are some of the most free market countries on the planet, with nost Being closer to the free market than the U.S.
2. The Nordic countries we're even more free market in the past and created a vast amount of wealth which they then used to make the welfare systems they have now.
3. The result of these welfare systems is that their economies have slowed and people are becoming worse off.
4. The Nordic countries are all rolling back their welfare systems.
5. Trump's tax plan has brought U.S. business taxes more in line with the Nordic countries business taxes.
" are the most stable and happiest,"
Based upon what? A self selection survey for happiness? Hahahahahaha.
Anythi...hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sorry that is too funny, it's a survey not evidence.
"generally the best financials and so on."
Like what? Please be specific about what these 'financials' are.
"Get fucked, capitalism nerds."
Say it to my face soyboy.
"Money was only ever created to make barter easier."
And that is all it does.
"It was never supposed to run the world."
It doesn't.
"The majority of the planet still live by this model today. Barter, or barter with pseudo currencies or "local" currencies which aren't traded globally. And this isn't poor little third world disasters, I mean the majority of the planet. The poor places are resource poor, the traders and local currency users aren't."
And? Do you have a point with any of this?
"Hilariously enough, the quality of life for the capital-driven world is quite low compared to the ones that don't live by global, fiat currencies."
Nope that simply isn't true there, please post the evidence you think shows that.
"In actual fact, it's usually the countries with the highest GDP / PPP that have the worst qualities for life over every index of life other than "opportunity" and access to goods."
Like what? More surveys?
"Oh wait, gotta rack of a lifetime of debt to access half of it. lmao"
Except you don't.
"The financial world is a fucking mess."
How so?
"Take y
"... and that is capitalismâ(TM)s fault,"
Capitalism is just being able to privately control the means of production, nothing more or less. So how can it be to blame for anything other than being able to privately control the means of production (not even who controls it etc).
You must be meaning the market, but that is just the aggregation of each person's individual choices, it makes no decisions at all.
So given your comment makes no sense (see above) what is it that you mean?
"not an attack on capitalism. Capitalism wants most people owning nothing"
As per the above Capitalism wants nothing, so your statement is stupid.
"and being beholden to the property-owning elites."
How? Your argument makes no sense no matter what your subject is, unless it is government...
"... the average american doesn't give two shits about tech."
Except their cars, tvs, computers etc etc etc which they all seem to love...
"That is why videogames is such a clusterfuck of greed, corruption and outright fraud."
No it isn't, please explain how you think any of that is true.
Especially the fraud part...
"Just look at the BS copyright laws."
So you think the problem is that law?
"In a just world we'd be able to own and repair our own software we paid for."
But you aren't buying the software, you are buying a licence to it.
"The reality is in tech land its lawless capitalism all the way,"
You literally just said the problem is the law, how can you then say it is lawlessness?
"broken software and games all around because the average person is technologically ignorant and retarded"
Shame you are average then...
"while keeping feeding money to companies exploiting them (mmo's, steam, f2p games, etc)."
How are they exploiting them? They offer a product that the person wants more than what it costs them to get it, how is that exploitation?
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The Nazi party forced every single company to become 'partners' which meant the company did exactly what they were told to. That is nationalisation by another name and the fact that you try to defend that proves what kind of person you are. The Nazi party sold off some shares and then regulated complete control of the companies anyway so still prvented private control of the means of production, which is the definition of Socialism... Who owns the business on paper isn't what matters, that is why Socialism is defined as control of the means of production. As to improving the economy, no such thing happened. Germany always had shortages of just about everything. If we look at the facts we see everything you said is a lie. They didn't need to nationalise the companies they just took complete control of them by force. Hitler even said he was a Socialist and praised Socialism constantly.
No it isn't. Hate speech is just words you don't like
Because they were an opposing political group, what else you got?
The Nazis removed private control of the means of production, which is the definition of Socialism. This makes them Socialists. End of discussion.
Then explain the removal of private control of the means of production? Which is the definition of Socialism..
"National Socialism was very much not socialist in any way." Expect in regards to completely removing private control of the means of production. Government provided medical. Government provided jobs. Government provided everything... "The name was used to attract people." No it was the basis of their policies "On the other hand, it wasn't very right wing either." It was Socialist, by definition of the term. "But everyone insists it must be one or the other and it's used as a way to tarnish the reputation of the side that they disagree with." Because it actually was left wing, with all the lefties praising the Nazi policies before the war. " Politics these days is just stupid, I'd rather people get along as opposed to parties which claim that the othesr are traitors (not just the US, this is everywhere). Political parties are one of the worst ideas invented in my view." Democracy is one of the worst ideas ever.
"Although I agree with you that both far left and far right want censorship." Mostly the left because their ideas tend to disagree with reality. "In many respects the USA main stream is anything from left." The mainstream media definitely is left. "The USA cannot even provide free hospitals" Why should they? " (which every other country in the world provides)" That isn't an argument, if it were then it could be used to pronote anything other countries are doing regardless of it being the right thing or not... "or add a background check for owning an automatic rifle." To own an automatic rifke in the U.S. requires special licencing , background checks, and mental health assessments. Only a very small portion of the population are able to own them and it is very very expensive. I think you are confused with semi-automatic rifles. This covers every rifle that is not bolt action... Also they already require background checks for all rifle purchases. Like I said earlier leftist nonses tends to disagree with reality. "The far left would be advocating communism that is definitely not mainstream in the USA." Communism is just a form of Socialism and the left is advocating Socialism. "Although the left in terms of feminism is mainstream (in the media at least, talking to real women it isn't the case), you are not even allowed to say men may have a valid opinion, or innocent until proven guilty without being labeled misogynist." Proof that the left is evil and doesn't like facts.
Their reason for deplaforming him is vague and indefensible.
"Xi Jinping is right," No he is an arrogant dictator who needs a bullet in his head. "as a PROUD AMERICAN," Is that why your comment is anonymous? Because you are proud? "why does the first amendment allow the protection of GARBAGE," Because you don't get to decide what is garbage you braindead retard. "it should be amended to protect only truthful speach while garbage speach should be a misdemeanor." With the government determining what is truthful... I see... "If the first amendment is allowed to continue to protect garbage, it might as well protect child predators" They are committing acts of physical violence which is not speech. "and street artists because of a lack of boundaries." If they are making their street art without the consent of the people who own the property then they are criminals and need to be put in jail. "Decency is a characteristic that eclipses religious boundaries." And you have proven stupidity is a characteristic that eclipses all boundaries. "If you are willing to protect any kind of speach," That is what free speech means. All speech is protected, even stuff I don't like. "well then.... if you don't agree with being a decent well-rounded person of courtesy; clean and righteous," Which you define obviously... " make yourself known!" Here I am, bring on the soy boy brigade! "There are street artists more than happy to beat the living fuck out of you," They can try, the little soy boy bitches aren't strong enough to even hurt. "knocking you out," They can try but it won't go well for them. " then grabbing your hair or ear and slamming the fuck out of your face on the ground and as the coup de gras, stomping on your lower jaw till it looks like mush." So speech you don't like is bad and needs to be stopped but being a violent piece of shit is all good in your book? Go f**k yourself anonymous, you are clearly a pu**y ass soy boy trying to act like a man... "Wow such a hard decision: being courteous and decent and clean and righteous or ending as an art show." Yeah your try that with me a**hole and see how beaten to death you get. "Hard decision, yeah I know..." No it's pretty easy, you are a coward and evil, just pure evil.
What? Your post is ten billion words with no actual point or any meaning whatsoever. Are you Alexandria 'bug eye' Cortez by chance?
"Crony capitalism" is a misnomer." How is Government giving favourable conditions to some conpines over others a misnomer? Really, I would like to know how you can think that. "Nobody has to give favorable treatment to their cronies for property-owners to exploit non-property-owners." Yeah they do, they need to make it so one of them can use force on the other. "That's just capitalism." No it isn't. "That's what capitalism is: a market distorted in favor of those who own capital." No it is literally just being able to privately control the means of production but nice try... "What you call "crony capitalism" is just capitalism." Nope, already explained why you are wrong above. "What you call "capitalism" is just a free market." Well in that case you are even more wrong because in the free market what you own doesn't mean you can force anyone to do anything. "A free market where capital is widely distributed in a decentralized way, not held by one class of people to the exploitation of another, is market socialism." No it isn't, by the very definition of the term Socialist that is untrue. To be Socialist there needs to be no privately controlled means of production. ""Socialism" doesn't mean everything is controlled by the state," Yeah it does. "it means capital is owned by the people." That would be a direct Democratic version of Socialism. There are many kinds, like those practiced by Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, etc " Widespread individual ownership by many people still counts; it doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be collective ownership through the state." That's all Socialism is, no privately controlled means of production... So either you are ignorant or lying which is it?
"Free marketeers love the term "crony capitalism" No we don't, we prefer it didn't exist. " because whenever the worst excesses of their bankrupt amoral philosophy rears it's ugly head they have a scapegoat to point at." Hat has never ever happened. You are simply lying because you don't have the facts on your side. If you think otherwise please give me an example so I can prove you wrong. "They loudly claim that all the evil results of encouraging control of an economy" And provide proof that it is the result of such, stange that you miss that out. " (and thus, inevitably a society)" No such thing as society. " to flow to people with the most stuff is a result of some unanticipated, impossible-to-account for factor" The regulations that make it so are the factors we are talking about. We are very specific about what causes the problem. "rather than the obvious result of applying a theoretical model to a world it does not match." We aren't Socialists. "Capitalism works perfectly, if only the world and human beings could just changed to accommodate it" It works perfectly with people as they are.
"Crony capitalism" is a misnomer." How is Government giving favourable conditions to some companies over others a misnomer? Really, I would like to know how you can think that. "Nobody has to give favorable treatment to their cronies for property-owners to exploit non-property-owners." Yeah they do, they need to make it so one of them can use force on the other. "That's just capitalism." No it isn't. "That's what capitalism is: a market distorted in favor of those who own capital." No it is literally just being able to privately control the means of production but nice try... "What you call "crony capitalism" is just capitalism." Nope, already explained why you are wrong above. "What you call "capitalism" is just a free market." Well in that case you are even more wrong because in the free market what you own doesn't mean you can force anyone to do anything. "A free market where capital is widely distributed in a decentralized way, not held by one class of people to the exploitation of another, is market socialism." No it isn't, by the very definition of the term Socialist that is untrue. To be Socialist there needs to be no privately controlled means of production. ""Socialism" doesn't mean everything is controlled by the state," Yeah it does. "it means capital is owned by the people." That would be a direct Democratic version of Socialism. There are many kinds, like those practiced by Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, etc " Widespread individual ownership by many people still counts; it doesn't have to (and shouldn't) be collective ownership through the state." That's all Socialism is, no privately controlled means of production... So either you are ignorant or lying which is it?
"This has only ever described one type of person : the worst kind." Socialists! The lowest form of scum on the face of the Earth. "The hoarders. The greed. The ones that want to live in 20 mansions." What they have isn't what is important, how they got it is. If they did not use force then nobody has any right to intervene and if they did then it should be prevented. "The pricks that live at the top that rape the planet of its resources." Except they don't, they use the resources wisely and for the benefit of others, that is why they have so much themselves. If they didn't benefit others more than it dealing with them does then wouldn't have any money at all. "Fuck the "American Dream". It's the thing wrong with the world. It's the thing currently ruining it." How? Your says so is not good enough. "Uncontrolled Capitalism is NOT a good thing." Why not? What evidence do you have for this? "Not on a limited planet-only species." Actually it and the free market are the best system for dealing with scarcity. "Not even close." Why? Again your say so is not enough. "It's the worst thing for it." How so? "It's almost guaranteed to lead to war" Every single war ever fought was because of government overstepping it's rightful bounds. The last world war was started by Socialists. "and potentially even wiping the species out, even when they are fully capable of understanding that fact. (see the current political climate)" With the left being violenebt thufs wanting to take away basic human rights like free speech, self defense etc etc. "The only stable society is part capital and part socialist." That is t even possible, by definition the two systems are mutually exclusive. Capitalism is when the means of production may be privately controlled and Socialism is when they may not. Learn what the terms mean. "This is why the few countries that run on such a model FROM THE START," The only countries to do so collapsed in poverty years ago. "like most of the Nordic countries," Just a few problems there 1. Reality shows these are some of the most free market countries on the planet, with nost Being closer to the free market than the U.S. 2. The Nordic countries we're even more free market in the past and created a vast amount of wealth which they then used to make the welfare systems they have now. 3. The result of these welfare systems is that their economies have slowed and people are becoming worse off. 4. The Nordic countries are all rolling back their welfare systems. 5. Trump's tax plan has brought U.S. business taxes more in line with the Nordic countries business taxes. " are the most stable and happiest," Based upon what? A self selection survey for happiness? Hahahahahaha. Anythi...hahahahahahahahahahahaha Sorry that is too funny, it's a survey not evidence. "generally the best financials and so on." Like what? Please be specific about what these 'financials' are. "Get fucked, capitalism nerds." Say it to my face soyboy. "Money was only ever created to make barter easier." And that is all it does. "It was never supposed to run the world." It doesn't. "The majority of the planet still live by this model today. Barter, or barter with pseudo currencies or "local" currencies which aren't traded globally. And this isn't poor little third world disasters, I mean the majority of the planet. The poor places are resource poor, the traders and local currency users aren't." And? Do you have a point with any of this? "Hilariously enough, the quality of life for the capital-driven world is quite low compared to the ones that don't live by global, fiat currencies." Nope that simply isn't true there, please post the evidence you think shows that. "In actual fact, it's usually the countries with the highest GDP / PPP that have the worst qualities for life over every index of life other than "opportunity" and access to goods." Like what? More surveys? "Oh wait, gotta rack of a lifetime of debt to access half of it. lmao" Except you don't. "The financial world is a fucking mess." How so? "Take y
"... and that is capitalismâ(TM)s fault," Capitalism is just being able to privately control the means of production, nothing more or less. So how can it be to blame for anything other than being able to privately control the means of production (not even who controls it etc). You must be meaning the market, but that is just the aggregation of each person's individual choices, it makes no decisions at all. So given your comment makes no sense (see above) what is it that you mean? "not an attack on capitalism. Capitalism wants most people owning nothing" As per the above Capitalism wants nothing, so your statement is stupid. "and being beholden to the property-owning elites." How? Your argument makes no sense no matter what your subject is, unless it is government...
"... the average american doesn't give two shits about tech." Except their cars, tvs, computers etc etc etc which they all seem to love... "That is why videogames is such a clusterfuck of greed, corruption and outright fraud." No it isn't, please explain how you think any of that is true. Especially the fraud part... "Just look at the BS copyright laws." So you think the problem is that law? "In a just world we'd be able to own and repair our own software we paid for." But you aren't buying the software, you are buying a licence to it. "The reality is in tech land its lawless capitalism all the way," You literally just said the problem is the law, how can you then say it is lawlessness? "broken software and games all around because the average person is technologically ignorant and retarded" Shame you are average then... "while keeping feeding money to companies exploiting them (mmo's, steam, f2p games, etc)." How are they exploiting them? They offer a product that the person wants more than what it costs them to get it, how is that exploitation?