I used to work for a small-ish company where we would burn cd's for a tutorial. Well, the cd burner we had really sucked, so it would eat a lot of cd's. Early technology. Anyways, one of the guys at work found this idea on the internet, so we took a couple up into the lunch room and turned off the lights. Pop, in they went, until things went crackle.
Out they came, and man do they look cool! Great coasters. Whenever anyone comes over and sees my "art" they are always enthralled! "Wow! Cool! How did you do that???" Great way to score chicks : )
Sure, in an ideal world, the system you describe works. Patents recoup money from R&D costs. But what about the patents on ideas? I certainly don't think you should be allowed to obtain a patent on e-commerce for example. This is just an abstract idea that didn't take any R&D dollars to come up with. We are running into problems with software patents because:
a) people submit ideas, not designs b) people are trying to patent things that have been around for a long time
Unfortunately, I really do think that there are legit software patents though. I think that having a shorter time, like you suggest, for the patent length would really help.
The point of doing this is that RedHat is big! They actually have a chance of selling some volume, which could raise a significant amount of money for the fsf. Like it or not, newbies have a lot of trust in big companies. If redhat can market this well, this could do a lot not only to raise money, but to raise awareness of free software. Even on/. there are a lot of people who seem pretty clueless about the difference between open and free.
What's the difference? An open source advocate would be happy enough to see the source. A free software advocate wouldn't be happy until they had the rights to modify the code.
When up I setup my network, I decided to upgrade to the 2.2 kernel because the firewall code had been re-written. Unfortunately, I found that this meant that there was a short supply of documentation.
I had the same experience as you. Masquerading worked great. But no matter what I did, I couldn't get port forwarding to work. I recompiled, recompiled, and recompiled...to no avail. I tried using portfw, but no luck. I eventually gave up, since it wasn't all that important to me anyways. There are a number of forwarding utils that other people have written though. One such util is called redir...you should be able to find it on freshmeat.
This site was also very helpful for getting masquerading to work with misbehaving programs.
Um...I'm Canadian, and I'm a little scared about the possibility of global warming. The issue of the presence of global warming aside, if it ever did happen, it could be disasterous. Know anyone in a coastal city? Global warming would cause ice from the arctic and antarctic to melt, raising the level of the ocean. In North America, where we value ocean front property so much, this would cause vast property damage. In poorer countries, many people would become homeless.
Plus the possibility of ice age due to lowered albedo, etc, etc, etc. So yes, global warming WOULD be that bad.
That's what it seems like to me. David Green says at the end of the article that the machine is running fine while doing IP masq for a small network, and running a mail server for his wife and kids. Unless this guy is getting/sending a lot of mail, or by small network he means large, this is overkill!
I have a pentium 200 that does more than this. Talk about cheap! IP masq/firewalling takes practically no CPU (486 anybody?) and at the quantities of mail he is likely to generate/receive, an SMP system is overkill. Probably would run fine on a 486. Sigh.
Rant mode on:
It's funny how two events got me out of the vicious cycle of buying hardware. One, I quit playing games. I know it sounds extreme, but there just seems to be better things to do w/ my time. The other thing was switching to linux. Things just don't seem bad enough to upgrade my hardware anymore.
My guess is that counter-FUD is on the way very shortly. Certain parts of the linux community seem to be pretty reactionary these days. As soon as the crack this NT box challenge was announced, we had our own challenge. As soon as the mindcraft results were released, we had our own independant survey. I think it looks like we are looking for excuses, more than anything.
It seems we are always on the defensive, instead of coming up with solid proof that Microsoft creates the crappy products we say they do. Sure they have marketroids scheming stuff like these "Linux myths" up all day, but we've got open source! Surely, with this many people, we could come up with some awesome ways to prove our point.
Actually, it was the mandrake site that I had trouble getting in to. The microsoft site was surprisingly fast. Different horsepower behind the scenes, I guess.
Oh no! Vomit city! Did you see the rotational speeds of this thing? Up to 1.37 rot/s!! I can't imagine keeping my lunch down, even at the lowest speed of 0.52 rot/s!
I think you can add a + infront of the e to make sure that it's included. Because the google search algorithm is highly specialized, they don't accept boolean expressions, or any other advanced features though : (
I don't think the deal is as sweet as you make it out to be. It will take the participants a certain amount of time to get up to speed on source that they've never seen before. I don't think you can really view this in terms of man-hours.
The work will be included as a special update to the game. I think the chance of any hacker making any significant improvement after most (all?) of the coding has already been done is slight. What they need is people who are familiar with the guts (i.e. employees) to analyze bottlenecks.
Don't get me wrong. This is a cool idea, but I don't think Loki is getting much "for free."
Hmmm. Yet another site gets slashdotted. Not knowing much about the subject, I'm curious as to where the bottleneck usually is. Is it bandwidth, is it processor time, or is it configuration error? On a static site, I would assume it would be bandwidth, but I don't really know.
In any case, my guess is that it'll be days before I get to see what's inside : )
If another chemical reaction could then bond the next paddle to the plate, the rotating motion could continue indefinitely -- a motor, in other words.
Perhaps it's phrased badly, but my impression is that you can spin the motor for as long as you can supply the chemical that causes the chemical reaction...
I agree, the linker pulls in the whole object file. Whether the hello world proggy is bloated or not depends more on the construction of stdio. If it's split into a printf.c and an fflush.c, etc, then only printf.o has to be brought in. Otherwise one huge honkin big.o file has to be brought in so you have a 500k hello world program.
This is how I had static linking explained to me. Explains the descrepincies in size...
Most detractors of the policy of the cult of the dead cow releasing back orifice label the practice as irresponsible, and juvenile. Yet what is the alternative? If cDc had quietly said to ms, "Hey look, we know how to exploit these holes in your OS, please remedy the situation," it would end there. The easy holes would be fixed, but the rest would remain open because only a small group of people knew about them. MS would try to sweep it under the carpet.
Given how widespread Windows is, this is really pretty scary. The information that was restricted to a few individuals wouldn't remain that way, and soon many crackers would know how to do what they please with a Windows box. Eventually, the public would catch on.
Compare this to the current scenario where the public is informed right at the start. This presumably should force ms into action. Seems like a better solution to me.
...the market niche of programmers and system administrators. These people tend to work independently and do not need to create documents in Microsoft Office and hence have no need to have a Windows machine.
Ha! Maybe network administrators, but programmers working independantly? At any major software development firm, programmers are going to be collaborating like crazy. These people certainly have to write formated documents (requirements, functional specs, etc).
If anything, the document compatibility problem is worse, because you have perfectly reasonable unix solutions (I used framemaker at one company), trying to mesh with the windows machines that management is using.
On the other hand, with Corel releasing linux versions of WordPerfect, it seems that everyone can co-exist in harmony!
What's stopping people from simply pushing the download button and getting something for "free"?
The belief that the creator deserves monetary compensation for his efforts. I will download an mp3 or two from a specific artist, and if I really like their music, I will buy a cd because I think they deserve my money (ignoring, of course, the *hefty* chunk that goes to record companies).
The same goes for warez. I don't particularly think that Microsoft deserves my money, so I don't particularly care if I rip off their s/w. If I run across a nice piece of s/w that I use a lot, I will buy it.
Maybe other people are different, but despite easily available mp3's and warez, the music industry is still selling cd's and companies are still selling s/w.
I don't see the technician's role ever being eliminated. When the telco installed adsl at my place, they had to muck w/ the wires outside. A simple modem standard isn't going to make this plug 'n play.
Hope it becomes more popular though, it's fast as hell : )
There's a reason why some whackos prefer TeX over Word, and why hackers prefer vi over notepad, and for that matter, why (most?) slashdotters prefer unix's over Windows. These are all harder to learn, but they get the job done better.
Following that argument, I say be more aware. See the little details, and remember them. It's certainly harder to learn, but it will get the job done better than any little device will...and it won't invade your privacy!
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Out they came, and man do they look cool! Great coasters. Whenever anyone comes over and sees my "art" they are always enthralled! "Wow! Cool! How did you do that???" Great way to score chicks : )
a) people submit ideas, not designs
b) people are trying to patent things that have been around for a long time
Unfortunately, I really do think that there are legit software patents though. I think that having a shorter time, like you suggest, for the patent length would really help.
The point of doing this is that RedHat is big! They actually have a chance of selling some volume, which could raise a significant amount of money for the fsf. Like it or not, newbies have a lot of trust in big companies. If redhat can market this well, this could do a lot not only to raise money, but to raise awareness of free software. Even on /. there are a lot of people who seem pretty clueless about the difference between open and free.
What's the difference? An open source advocate would be happy enough to see the source. A free software advocate wouldn't be happy until they had the rights to modify the code.
I had the same experience as you. Masquerading worked great. But no matter what I did, I couldn't get port forwarding to work. I recompiled, recompiled, and recompiled...to no avail. I tried using portfw, but no luck. I eventually gave up, since it wasn't all that important to me anyways. There are a number of forwarding utils that other people have written though. One such util is called redir...you should be able to find it on freshmeat.
This site was also very helpful for getting masquerading to work with misbehaving programs.
Good luck!
Plus the possibility of ice age due to lowered albedo, etc, etc, etc. So yes, global warming WOULD be that bad.
I have a pentium 200 that does more than this. Talk about cheap! IP masq/firewalling takes practically no CPU (486 anybody?) and at the quantities of mail he is likely to generate/receive, an SMP system is overkill. Probably would run fine on a 486. Sigh.
Rant mode on:
It's funny how two events got me out of the vicious cycle of buying hardware. One, I quit playing games. I know it sounds extreme, but there just seems to be better things to do w/ my time. The other thing was switching to linux. Things just don't seem bad enough to upgrade my hardware anymore.
It seems we are always on the defensive, instead of coming up with solid proof that Microsoft creates the crappy products we say they do. Sure they have marketroids scheming stuff like these "Linux myths" up all day, but we've got open source! Surely, with this many people, we could come up with some awesome ways to prove our point.
Actually, it was the mandrake site that I had trouble getting in to. The microsoft site was surprisingly fast. Different horsepower behind the scenes, I guess.
Oh no! Vomit city! Did you see the rotational speeds of this thing? Up to 1.37 rot/s!! I can't imagine keeping my lunch down, even at the lowest speed of 0.52 rot/s!
I think you can add a + infront of the e to make sure that it's included. Because the google search algorithm is highly specialized, they don't accept boolean expressions, or any other advanced features though : (
The work will be included as a special update to the game. I think the chance of any hacker making any significant improvement after most (all?) of the coding has already been done is slight. What they need is people who are familiar with the guts (i.e. employees) to analyze bottlenecks.
Don't get me wrong. This is a cool idea, but I don't think Loki is getting much "for free."
In case anyone is interested, Think Geek explains the problem.
In any case, my guess is that it'll be days before I get to see what's inside : )
Perhaps it's phrased badly, but my impression is that you can spin the motor for as long as you can supply the chemical that causes the chemical reaction...
I agree, the linker pulls in the whole object file. Whether the hello world proggy is bloated or not depends more on the construction of stdio. If it's split into a printf.c and an fflush.c, etc, then only printf.o has to be brought in. Otherwise one huge honkin big .o file has to be brought in so you have a 500k hello world program.
This is how I had static linking explained to me. Explains the descrepincies in size...
Most detractors of the policy of the cult of the dead cow releasing back orifice label the practice as irresponsible, and juvenile. Yet what is the alternative? If cDc had quietly said to ms, "Hey look, we know how to exploit these holes in your OS, please remedy the situation," it would end there. The easy holes would be fixed, but the rest would remain open because only a small group of people knew about them. MS would try to sweep it under the carpet.
Given how widespread Windows is, this is really pretty scary. The information that was restricted to a few individuals wouldn't remain that way, and soon many crackers would know how to do what they please with a Windows box. Eventually, the public would catch on.
Compare this to the current scenario where the public is informed right at the start. This presumably should force ms into action. Seems like a better solution to me.
However, the tests used Service Pack *3*, which not only is seriously old, also misses several enhancements and security holes along the way
Nope. Read it again. The box that was shipped to them had sp3 installed, and they installed sp4 themselves.
...the market niche of programmers and system administrators. These people tend to work independently and do not need to create documents in Microsoft Office and hence have no need to have a Windows machine.
Ha! Maybe network administrators, but programmers working independantly? At any major software development firm, programmers are going to be collaborating like crazy. These people certainly have to write formated documents (requirements, functional specs, etc).
If anything, the document compatibility problem is worse, because you have perfectly reasonable unix solutions (I used framemaker at one company), trying to mesh with the windows machines that management is using.
On the other hand, with Corel releasing linux versions of WordPerfect, it seems that everyone can co-exist in harmony!
What's stopping people from simply pushing the download button and getting something for "free"?
The belief that the creator deserves monetary compensation for his efforts. I will download an mp3 or two from a specific artist, and if I really like their music, I will buy a cd because I think they deserve my money (ignoring, of course, the *hefty* chunk that goes to record companies).
The same goes for warez. I don't particularly think that Microsoft deserves my money, so I don't particularly care if I rip off their s/w. If I run across a nice piece of s/w that I use a lot, I will buy it.
Maybe other people are different, but despite easily available mp3's and warez, the music industry is still selling cd's and companies are still selling s/w.
I don't see the technician's role ever being eliminated. When the telco installed adsl at my place, they had to muck w/ the wires outside. A simple modem standard isn't going to make this plug 'n play.
Hope it becomes more popular though, it's fast as hell : )
There's a reason why some whackos prefer TeX over Word, and why hackers prefer vi over notepad, and for that matter, why (most?) slashdotters prefer unix's over Windows. These are all harder to learn, but they get the job done better.
Following that argument, I say be more aware. See the little details, and remember them. It's certainly harder to learn, but it will get the job done better than any little device will...and it won't invade your privacy!