Exactly. Politicians should be civil servants, they should serve the people who voted for them not the private interests that funded their campaign.
But how do you get from here to there? Do enough people believe that the system is wrong in order to vote in people that will change it? Even though the vast majority are easily distracted and don't understand or care about the issues? Even though most will vote out of fear of the other side of the Democrat/Republican alliance getting in?
It's about time that the Western world was liberated from them. With force.
Force is the very worst way to do that. If you can get what you want without killing or dying it's better.
How about stop agreeing to let them put their military bases all over the place and stop giving them all our information? They have no business having records of every bank transfer and every phone call made in the rest of the world. They have no business abducting people from the streets of Europe and flying them around the world for water boarding whilst insisting that water boarding isn't actually torture. They should not be forcing NATO into invasions.
You are right. But if there is any doubt why lawmakers are making their decisions it should be removed. No lawmaker should be receiving money directly or indirectly from those who their laws affect, it's a recipe for corruption at worst and reasonable doubt at best.
Piratebay isn't blocked from talk-talk? It was blocked from every UK ISP I tested from. A quick google search seems to indicate that it was blocked. I'm not sure what's going on there but if they unblocked it it's news to me.
You don't get what I'm saying at all though and because you don't get it you resort to abuse instead of engaging your brain. The same mechanism that lets you opt in or out of softcore porn will be abused to block other things without your consent or ability to opt out. You can pretend it won't happen but that doesn't change the fact that it will happen. The UK is a world leader in libel tourism and has a long history of corporate and government cover-ups and media gag orders. Google a bit and you will see it's true.
Like you say access to softcore porn is 'ENTIRELY OPTIONAL' but I'm not talking about porn here, filtering of various other things will not be optional.
How on earth do you think they are filtering piratebay then? They already have partial blocking in place that you can't opt out of. This latest move is an attempt to get ISPs to fund developing the next generation filtering system.
You are really not getting the message. Once the system is in place and has proven itself it will be abused because the UK government works for the UK government, not the UK people. Look at how the anti-terror laws were and are still being abused, you really think this won't be?
It isn't censorship. To be considered censorship requires that you cannot opt in or out. Censorship means *compulsion* whereas this is ENTIRELY OPTIONAL. You can opt in or out by clicking a link and checking a box.
That's my point. They claim you can opt out of the filtering and it looks like you can, but in reality you can't out out of all the filtering. Load piratebay.org. The site is still there but you can't access it. eztv.it? yify-torrents.com? Those two are also up but blocked from the UK regardless of you opting in or out of the filtering.
They even admit they run all traffic though the filtering system. Why would they if they don't block pages? 'Customers who do not want filtering still have their traffic routed through the system, but matches to Huawei's database are dismissed rather than acted upon.' -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097
Once the government has rolled out its blocking infrastructure they will abuse it to limit the information you have access to just like they have been doing with newspapers more or less since they existed.
You know you can't enter the UK national lottery whilst outside the UK don't you? Also under UK law if there is a dispute they only have to give you your stake back.
Don't check your numbers from outside the UK, have a friend so it. And don't give him the ticket just in case!
It is censorship. Your traffic is filtered even if you opt out but quite possibly you never visit the sites that are censored anyway.
It would be naive to assume that the only sites they are blocking and not telling you about are child-porn and terrorism. Maybe they blocked PETA, the communist party, evidence of UK government wrongdoing, and so on. the UK government does have a history of blocking evidence of its own wrongdoing.
Of course they don't want you reading the news! If you actually know what is going on in then you are a danger to the government.
For example the UK government is funding, equipping, and training Islamic extremists in Syria in order to overthrow a government that really isn't that bad compared to the crazies that the UK is backing. If you read the BBC version you get a totally different story.
Only you can't unblock everything. They give you a few choices so they can pretend this thing is about blocking porn, but really anything they don't like stays blocked.
Remember when the Australian blocklist leaked and it contained dentists and all sorts of silly and innocent stuff?
If it's a slippery slope they are doing it backwards. They already introduced indefinite house arrest without evidence. Right now the home secretary can just pick a town off the map and declare every resident a terrorist suspect with zero evidence. These people can then be held under house arrest forever without the right to a trail, the right to work, the right to leave the country, or even the right to know why they are being mistreated.
Internet filtering is a much smaller limitation of freedom than what they have already got away with but it will affect everyone. Well everyone who doesn't know how to use TOR or a VPN at least.
Which brings me to my second point. Every pedo already knows how to use TOR or VPN or they are already caught. The excuse for installing this filtering is unbelievably lame.
They don't negotiate. They dictate. There was no public outcry when the government introduced indefinite house arrest without trial for those accused of terrorism. Note accused, not convicted. There will not be a public outcry for this much smaller limitation of freedom.
I don't see how the UK can be fixed unless the government deliberately gives away its powers.
That's the problem with people fighting for freedom. The freedom they win at such a high cost is only ever temporary.
Between this and the police state laws I do agree that the UK isn't a fit place to live. I don't see any way it can be fixed when the majority of voters can't think for themselves.
...the code from an API for a commercial system we use at work and uses a tree as its primary data structure will get blocked cutting us off from the support documentation and forums. It has frequent use of lines such as...
object.parent.getChildren(0).InsertNode()
which will probably trip some word based filters depending on how strict they are.
That is pedo-code and will get you sent to jail.
I'm pretty sure that their blocking is based on the host requested in the HTTP header, not keyword detection in the page.
That was expected. I read elsewhere that the system can't actually be opted out either. All your traffic passes though the filtering system but you may opt to allow some things they don't object to much. All they give you is the illusion of choice.
Some years ago I discovered that UK ISPs were already doing deep packet inspection on all TCP traffic to port 80. Telnet into your own webserver and request piratebay.org if you want to see this in practice. Monitor the connection from both ends and you can see the TCP hijacking happening.
This latest plan is the UK government trying to control the internet in the same way they always controlled newspapers. They will fail but they will destroy internet access from the UK in the process of trying.
What do they mean by server closets? If it's less than 10 racks it certainly isn't a data center.
If they give it all to Amazon or Rackspace they could save a fortune. There is no way any government agency could run data centers for anything near what Amazon is charging.
I trust my friends, co-workers, and family. Or at least a group of 3 or more of my friends and/or co-workers and/or family.
Individual people can be corrupted easily. Companies can't be trusted to work for anyone but themselves and are easily forced into misbehavior by governments. Governments can't really be trusted.
Nice rant. What we need is a system that isn't a PITA to use and offers real security. Like you say GPG right now is a PITA. The current certificate model is so badly broken it should be thrown away immediately. Something web-of-trust-ish with a peer2peer distribution system might work if done right. But them so would peer2peer DNS in theory and that still hasn't happened.
99.999% of the people in the world don't know how electricity works. That's not an argument for not using electricity.
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That said: if democracy is so bad (and it is), get rid of it. What are you so scared of?
The US did. It has a Democrat/Republican alliance that acts as a permanent government coupled with a military who can't get voted out.
The thing they got right was the illusion of choice.
Exactly. Politicians should be civil servants, they should serve the people who voted for them not the private interests that funded their campaign.
But how do you get from here to there? Do enough people believe that the system is wrong in order to vote in people that will change it? Even though the vast majority are easily distracted and don't understand or care about the issues? Even though most will vote out of fear of the other side of the Democrat/Republican alliance getting in?
It's about time that the Western world was liberated from them. With force.
Force is the very worst way to do that. If you can get what you want without killing or dying it's better.
How about stop agreeing to let them put their military bases all over the place and stop giving them all our information? They have no business having records of every bank transfer and every phone call made in the rest of the world. They have no business abducting people from the streets of Europe and flying them around the world for water boarding whilst insisting that water boarding isn't actually torture. They should not be forcing NATO into invasions.
You are right. But if there is any doubt why lawmakers are making their decisions it should be removed. No lawmaker should be receiving money directly or indirectly from those who their laws affect, it's a recipe for corruption at worst and reasonable doubt at best.
You lack the intelligence to understand the difference between porn, political content, and torrent sites. This discussion can go nowhere.
Rant away dumbly like I care. You clearly have emotional problems you feel the need to vent.
Piratebay isn't blocked from talk-talk? It was blocked from every UK ISP I tested from. A quick google search seems to indicate that it was blocked. I'm not sure what's going on there but if they unblocked it it's news to me.
You don't get what I'm saying at all though and because you don't get it you resort to abuse instead of engaging your brain. The same mechanism that lets you opt in or out of softcore porn will be abused to block other things without your consent or ability to opt out. You can pretend it won't happen but that doesn't change the fact that it will happen. The UK is a world leader in libel tourism and has a long history of corporate and government cover-ups and media gag orders. Google a bit and you will see it's true.
Like you say access to softcore porn is 'ENTIRELY OPTIONAL' but I'm not talking about porn here, filtering of various other things will not be optional.
How on earth do you think they are filtering piratebay then? They already have partial blocking in place that you can't opt out of. This latest move is an attempt to get ISPs to fund developing the next generation filtering system.
You are really not getting the message. Once the system is in place and has proven itself it will be abused because the UK government works for the UK government, not the UK people. Look at how the anti-terror laws were and are still being abused, you really think this won't be?
It isn't censorship. To be considered censorship requires that you cannot opt in or out. Censorship means *compulsion* whereas this is ENTIRELY OPTIONAL. You can opt in or out by clicking a link and checking a box.
That's my point. They claim you can opt out of the filtering and it looks like you can, but in reality you can't out out of all the filtering. Load piratebay.org. The site is still there but you can't access it. eztv.it? yify-torrents.com? Those two are also up but blocked from the UK regardless of you opting in or out of the filtering.
They even admit they run all traffic though the filtering system. Why would they if they don't block pages?
'Customers who do not want filtering still have their traffic routed through the system, but matches to Huawei's database are dismissed rather than acted upon.' -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097
Once the government has rolled out its blocking infrastructure they will abuse it to limit the information you have access to just like they have been doing with newspapers more or less since they existed.
You know you can't enter the UK national lottery whilst outside the UK don't you? Also under UK law if there is a dispute they only have to give you your stake back.
Don't check your numbers from outside the UK, have a friend so it. And don't give him the ticket just in case!
It should be easy enough to figure out who is blocking what. All it takes is a system that loads each site from a large number of countries.
It is censorship. Your traffic is filtered even if you opt out but quite possibly you never visit the sites that are censored anyway.
It would be naive to assume that the only sites they are blocking and not telling you about are child-porn and terrorism. Maybe they blocked PETA, the communist party, evidence of UK government wrongdoing, and so on. the UK government does have a history of blocking evidence of its own wrongdoing.
Of course they don't want you reading the news! If you actually know what is going on in then you are a danger to the government.
For example the UK government is funding, equipping, and training Islamic extremists in Syria in order to overthrow a government that really isn't that bad compared to the crazies that the UK is backing. If you read the BBC version you get a totally different story.
Only you can't unblock everything. They give you a few choices so they can pretend this thing is about blocking porn, but really anything they don't like stays blocked.
Remember when the Australian blocklist leaked and it contained dentists and all sorts of silly and innocent stuff?
If it's a slippery slope they are doing it backwards. They already introduced indefinite house arrest without evidence. Right now the home secretary can just pick a town off the map and declare every resident a terrorist suspect with zero evidence. These people can then be held under house arrest forever without the right to a trail, the right to work, the right to leave the country, or even the right to know why they are being mistreated.
Internet filtering is a much smaller limitation of freedom than what they have already got away with but it will affect everyone. Well everyone who doesn't know how to use TOR or a VPN at least.
Which brings me to my second point. Every pedo already knows how to use TOR or VPN or they are already caught. The excuse for installing this filtering is unbelievably lame.
They don't negotiate. They dictate. There was no public outcry when the government introduced indefinite house arrest without trial for those accused of terrorism. Note accused, not convicted. There will not be a public outcry for this much smaller limitation of freedom.
I don't see how the UK can be fixed unless the government deliberately gives away its powers.
That's the problem with people fighting for freedom. The freedom they win at such a high cost is only ever temporary.
Between this and the police state laws I do agree that the UK isn't a fit place to live. I don't see any way it can be fixed when the majority of voters can't think for themselves.
...the code from an API for a commercial system we use at work and uses a tree as its primary data structure will get blocked cutting us off from the support documentation and forums. It has frequent use of lines such as...
object.parent.getChildren(0).InsertNode()
which will probably trip some word based filters depending on how strict they are.
That is pedo-code and will get you sent to jail.
I'm pretty sure that their blocking is based on the host requested in the HTTP header, not keyword detection in the page.
That was expected. I read elsewhere that the system can't actually be opted out either. All your traffic passes though the filtering system but you may opt to allow some things they don't object to much. All they give you is the illusion of choice.
Some years ago I discovered that UK ISPs were already doing deep packet inspection on all TCP traffic to port 80. Telnet into your own webserver and request piratebay.org if you want to see this in practice. Monitor the connection from both ends and you can see the TCP hijacking happening.
This latest plan is the UK government trying to control the internet in the same way they always controlled newspapers. They will fail but they will destroy internet access from the UK in the process of trying.
You are thinking of the American sprinter Tyson Gay.
I take it you are in a similar line to business to the accused then. Sounds like you admire him, that's sad.
You are a classic sociopath, as proved by your trying to pass off non-violent theft as ok. It's not ok to us normal people and never will be.
I LOL at the politically correct mentality of those who modded my sensible reply to the misuse of a cuss word to -1 Troll.
What do they mean by server closets? If it's less than 10 racks it certainly isn't a data center.
If they give it all to Amazon or Rackspace they could save a fortune. There is no way any government agency could run data centers for anything near what Amazon is charging.
I trust my friends, co-workers, and family. Or at least a group of 3 or more of my friends and/or co-workers and/or family.
Individual people can be corrupted easily. Companies can't be trusted to work for anyone but themselves and are easily forced into misbehavior by governments. Governments can't really be trusted.
What we need is a system like http://perspectives-project.org/ .
Now that's interesting.
Nice rant. What we need is a system that isn't a PITA to use and offers real security. Like you say GPG right now is a PITA. The current certificate model is so badly broken it should be thrown away immediately. Something web-of-trust-ish with a peer2peer distribution system might work if done right. But them so would peer2peer DNS in theory and that still hasn't happened.
99.999% of the people in the world don't know how electricity works. That's not an argument for not using electricity.