Atleast they're still teaching "overgeneralization".
I would not know. Everything I learned I learned from TV, books, and the internet. School taught me little.
Many, if not most, teachers are good.
That's not my experience. Most go though a teachers reference and are utterly lost if distracted from the narrow syllabus the book says they should teach. I'm not talking about university level here because those guys know their stuff but lower school teachers.
Laptops can be used appropriately, without distracting.
We are talking about elementary school kids here. Laptops are a distraction and a mental crutch, children don't need that.
Here, I'll say it. Fuck You. I know plenty of good, hard working teachers.
I never said teachers were not hardworking. For the most part though they lack the passion and drive to do a great job, the school system seems to beat it out of them.
The UK education system forced some of the worst teachers imaginable on me, I might be a bit jaded.
Bottom line, I think you are asking yourself the wrong question. Instead of asking yourself what Linux laptop you can afford, you should be asking yourself what serves your customers - the kids - best given your budget?
Better teachers. Teach the kids critical thinking before letting them on the Internet because, like most information sources, the internet can't really be trusted.
I pretty much agree with your opening part about laptops really not being needed in schools however the rest turns into pro-USA propaganda. It's both wrong and off-topic.
Stick to the subject and phrase it in a calmer way and you will get your point across. One point at a time would be good or this discussion won't cover any ground. We can discuss how the rest of the world deserves to be nuked by the mighty US war machine at some later date.
Acer - I'd stay well away from Acer. I brought laptops and monitors from them in the past and everything broke. Their build quality is rubbish and their returns process is a PITA designed to string everything out until after the warranty expires.
Lenovo - I've never had any trouble with changing screens, batteries, memory and disks on Lenovo laptops. Sure it's awkward to work with the tiny laptop parts but that's going to be the same on any laptop. Lenovo have clear hardware manuals that tell you how to do just about anything step by step. I've never changed wifi cards though.
I will take your advice on HP and never buy one of their laptops.
For those of you who think that it is unreasonable to have someone at that young age to own a laptop, you need to get out more and get with the times. I think it's a great thing if the school has the opportunity to enable every kid to have his or her own laptop. This kind of thing (along with proper parenting and supervision) is what will make the kids of today absolute geniuses compared to us old farts of yesterday.
I don't think so. The laptop will become a mental and emotional crutch and you will get kids who are unable to think for themselves. These things will become a substitute for teaching, parenting, and supervision just like those stupid teachers guide books teachers now rely on because they long ago forgot everything about the subjects there were meant to be teaching.
Ultimately you need to teach the kids to teach themselves and giving them access to easy answers on everything isn't going to do that.
I work in IT and I'm careful with my kit but I still broke a laptop screen. These things happen.
Kids will destroy everything in their path.
But seriously - laptops for elementary school children? I know the American school system is pretty lame as it is in most countries but trying to get wikipedia to do all the teaching is not going to produce well balanced children.
It's an elementary school. Elementary kids don't need laptops.
All laptops will teach kids is that there is lots of porn on the internet and that whatever they are asked the answer is in wikipedia or google. Are you trying to create a generation of dependent morons?
Why do most of the top comments have to be about bashing Apple? It's not news that they have questionable business practices. I, for one, am glad someone put out a laptop screen with this resolution in an industry that has just settled for 1900x1080 max years ago and doesn't seem to be very interested in changing it any time soon. Maybe now they'll be forced too.
Fine by me but I'll wait until someone puts one of those screen in a laptop that actually lets me replace broken parts and upgrade the ram and disk.
RTFA, Krebs almost seems sympathetic for the guy. I don't care much for the whole extradition-to-the-US thing, but this is not your average whitehat/greyhat hacker, highlighting security issues by breaking systems, or for the lulz. This is card skimming pond scum, doing it for profit. Good riddance, I say.
Exactly. I don't get the sympathy for this thief, he stole from thousands and deserves to be locked up for a while.
HP Servers can come without windows licenses if you buy a lot of them. I don't.
Oh come on. You have a swiss cheese memory. You know MS didn't write MS-DOS don't you?
The flashback worm isn't proof of anything. Windows security is a poor joke. Windows stability is a poor joke. The whole botnet thing is a product of Microsoft seeing security as someone else's problem.
Intel - Intel would sell boards and CPUs with or without Microsoft. Their stuff isn't Microsoft specific. HP - HP would be able to sell cheaper servers if it wasn't for the Microsoft tax. I have to buy a windows license to run Linux and you tell me Microsoft are not extracting value they didn't add. Adobe - Photoshop is nice but flash is insecure bug ridden crap. The sooner it's wiped out the better. Microsoft shafted Adobe with Silverlight but failed. Compaq - Compaq are HP now. They would sell stuff at a lower cost if I could choose what OS to put on it. Screw the Microsoft tax. Dell - Again, Dell has been blackmailed into screwing the consumer by forcing them to buy Windows. Acer - Same as Dell, only Acer has product quality problems that makes me avoid them like the plague. Samsung - lol, what? Microsoft only see them as a target for extracting innovative technology. HTC - HTC make reasonable hardware. If they coupled it with a better OS they would sell more products. They are also a target for Microsoft's technology extraction team. Toshiba - See Dell Fujitsu - See HP
The companies above may be commercial success stories but you can't attribute that success to a partnership with Microsoft. They would have likely been the same or a bigger success if Microsoft never existed. Servers would still be needed, laptops, phone, and PDAs would still be needed. Computer security would be a very much better state without Microsoft and Adobe, botnets and crap like stuxnet are products of an IT world built on insecure and flaky foundations.
This leaves Microsoft partners where Microsoft partners have always been... Useful right up until Microsoft decides to steal your lunch, and go it alone.
They have done this numerous times and will continue to do so. Partnering with them has always been a two edged sword.
I think you are putting it a little too mildly. Microsoft eat their partners from the inside out. When there is nothing more of interest to them they leave the remains to die.
I hope MS buys RIM and we can watch both of them fail out of the phone market, meanwhile they leave Nokia alone so they can go back to making awesome Linux phones from the n900/N9 line. Perfect!
I have a n900 and it's awesome. It would be wonderful if Nokia kept on making great things but I fear their MS bias has already killed them.
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Atleast they're still teaching "overgeneralization".
I would not know. Everything I learned I learned from TV, books, and the internet. School taught me little.
Many, if not most, teachers are good.
That's not my experience. Most go though a teachers reference and are utterly lost if distracted from the narrow syllabus the book says they should teach. I'm not talking about university level here because those guys know their stuff but lower school teachers.
Laptops can be used appropriately, without distracting.
We are talking about elementary school kids here. Laptops are a distraction and a mental crutch, children don't need that.
Here, I'll say it. Fuck You. I know plenty of good, hard working teachers.
I never said teachers were not hardworking. For the most part though they lack the passion and drive to do a great job, the school system seems to beat it out of them.
The UK education system forced some of the worst teachers imaginable on me, I might be a bit jaded.
Bottom line, I think you are asking yourself the wrong question. Instead of asking yourself what Linux laptop you can afford, you should be asking yourself what serves your customers - the kids - best given your budget?
Better teachers. Teach the kids critical thinking before letting them on the Internet because, like most information sources, the internet can't really be trusted.
I pretty much agree with your opening part about laptops really not being needed in schools however the rest turns into pro-USA propaganda. It's both wrong and off-topic.
Stick to the subject and phrase it in a calmer way and you will get your point across. One point at a time would be good or this discussion won't cover any ground. We can discuss how the rest of the world deserves to be nuked by the mighty US war machine at some later date.
Acer - I'd stay well away from Acer. I brought laptops and monitors from them in the past and everything broke. Their build quality is rubbish and their returns process is a PITA designed to string everything out until after the warranty expires.
Lenovo - I've never had any trouble with changing screens, batteries, memory and disks on Lenovo laptops. Sure it's awkward to work with the tiny laptop parts but that's going to be the same on any laptop. Lenovo have clear hardware manuals that tell you how to do just about anything step by step. I've never changed wifi cards though.
I will take your advice on HP and never buy one of their laptops.
When are you guys going to accept that Linux on desktop/laptop is dead?
Tell that to my 40 Linux desktop users.
Admittedly some of the office staff who use gnome think they are using windows. ( no joke! )
You know what might work even better?
Teachers AND laptops.
Why couldn't they think of that?
Nope, just teachers. The laptop would just be a distraction.
Shame there are basically no good teachers left.
ACER? Everything I brought from Acer has fallen apart, they have serious build quality problems.
For those of you who think that it is unreasonable to have someone at that young age to own a laptop, you need to get out more and get with the times. I think it's a great thing if the school has the opportunity to enable every kid to have his or her own laptop. This kind of thing (along with proper parenting and supervision) is what will make the kids of today absolute geniuses compared to us old farts of yesterday.
I don't think so. The laptop will become a mental and emotional crutch and you will get kids who are unable to think for themselves. These things will become a substitute for teaching, parenting, and supervision just like those stupid teachers guide books teachers now rely on because they long ago forgot everything about the subjects there were meant to be teaching.
Ultimately you need to teach the kids to teach themselves and giving them access to easy answers on everything isn't going to do that.
I work in IT and I'm careful with my kit but I still broke a laptop screen. These things happen.
Kids will destroy everything in their path.
But seriously - laptops for elementary school children? I know the American school system is pretty lame as it is in most countries but trying to get wikipedia to do all the teaching is not going to produce well balanced children.
If you want a laptop, pick one or two of these:
- Compact
- Powerful
- Cheap
Your requirements are invalid, if you try all three.
Compact, cheap. This is for kids, they won't be solving collatz conjecture.
Having said that no laptops would be better. It will only teach the kids to be dependent on google.
It's an elementary school. Elementary kids don't need laptops.
All laptops will teach kids is that there is lots of porn on the internet and that whatever they are asked the answer is in wikipedia or google. Are you trying to create a generation of dependent morons?
People don't like paying a lot more for things when they can't really see or hear the difference. Audiophiles and mac fans may be exceptions.
The hardware has a higher screen resolution. Any OS could use it.
Screen resolution isn't software magic..
and the fact that this thing has no user-replaceable parts at all.
I'm not paying 2k+ for a disposable laptop.
I would not pay that for any laptop, never mind a disposable one.
Apple is clearly aiming at the more-money-than-sense market segment here.
Why do most of the top comments have to be about bashing Apple? It's not news that they have questionable business practices. I, for one, am glad someone put out a laptop screen with this resolution in an industry that has just settled for 1900x1080 max years ago and doesn't seem to be very interested in changing it any time soon. Maybe now they'll be forced too.
Fine by me but I'll wait until someone puts one of those screen in a laptop that actually lets me replace broken parts and upgrade the ram and disk.
I like user replaceable parts. I don't want to buy a laptop that won't let me upgrade the ram, swap the hard disk, or change the screen if I crack it.
This really is for people who just fall for Oh! Shiny!
What would that go for these days, about $440?
Who cares if the data went for a cent. It affected the lives of 44,000 people.
Only banks and governments are allowed to perform wide scale theft, this guy was nether so it's jail time for him.
RTFA, Krebs almost seems sympathetic for the guy.
I don't care much for the whole extradition-to-the-US thing, but this is not your average whitehat/greyhat hacker, highlighting security issues by breaking systems, or for the lulz.
This is card skimming pond scum, doing it for profit. Good riddance, I say.
Exactly. I don't get the sympathy for this thief, he stole from thousands and deserves to be locked up for a while.
this hero of the people taking from the evil banks and redistributing back to the little people will never lose
It was credit card fraud. The only people that lose are the shops who take credit cards and maybe a few rich people who don't check their statements.
If the banks were losing out from this though would change the credit card system.
Anyone checking my post history will see I'm pretty critical of the US, but good work on this one Team America!
Lets see how Dutchie-Boy likes the US prison system.
HP Servers can come without windows licenses if you buy a lot of them. I don't.
Oh come on. You have a swiss cheese memory. You know MS didn't write MS-DOS don't you?
The flashback worm isn't proof of anything. Windows security is a poor joke. Windows stability is a poor joke. The whole botnet thing is a product of Microsoft seeing security as someone else's problem.
Intel - Intel would sell boards and CPUs with or without Microsoft. Their stuff isn't Microsoft specific.
HP - HP would be able to sell cheaper servers if it wasn't for the Microsoft tax. I have to buy a windows license to run Linux and you tell me Microsoft are not extracting value they didn't add.
Adobe - Photoshop is nice but flash is insecure bug ridden crap. The sooner it's wiped out the better. Microsoft shafted Adobe with Silverlight but failed.
Compaq - Compaq are HP now. They would sell stuff at a lower cost if I could choose what OS to put on it. Screw the Microsoft tax.
Dell - Again, Dell has been blackmailed into screwing the consumer by forcing them to buy Windows.
Acer - Same as Dell, only Acer has product quality problems that makes me avoid them like the plague.
Samsung - lol, what? Microsoft only see them as a target for extracting innovative technology.
HTC - HTC make reasonable hardware. If they coupled it with a better OS they would sell more products. They are also a target for Microsoft's technology extraction team.
Toshiba - See Dell
Fujitsu - See HP
The companies above may be commercial success stories but you can't attribute that success to a partnership with Microsoft. They would have likely been the same or a bigger success if Microsoft never existed. Servers would still be needed, laptops, phone, and PDAs would still be needed. Computer security would be a very much better state without Microsoft and Adobe, botnets and crap like stuxnet are products of an IT world built on insecure and flaky foundations.
This leaves Microsoft partners where Microsoft partners have always been ... Useful right up until Microsoft decides to steal your lunch, and go it alone.
They have done this numerous times and will continue to do so. Partnering with them has always been a two edged sword.
I think you are putting it a little too mildly. Microsoft eat their partners from the inside out. When there is nothing more of interest to them they leave the remains to die.
I hope MS buys RIM and we can watch both of them fail out of the phone market, meanwhile they leave Nokia alone so they can go back to making awesome Linux phones from the n900/N9 line. Perfect!
I have a n900 and it's awesome. It would be wonderful if Nokia kept on making great things but I fear their MS bias has already killed them.