I'm not right wing and I'm certainly not American. The phrase 'nanny state' although somewhat emotive does sum up the overbearing nature of the UK and it's occupying army ( the police ) right now. It also sums up America pretty well. You just have to imagine a cruel and careless nanny who is interested in absolute power rather than caring for anyone.
The sun is a rag and can't be trusted to report anything.
The JTAC and MI5 want nothing more than to scare people to justify more and more power and more and more funds. These are the same groups that claimed Saddam had all kinds of WMD's that never existed, and were never held to account for their false information later. They know they can get away with claiming anything.
Ah your forgetting to our political masters as long as it misses London no where else in the uk matters.
If it misses the rich parts of London... There are plenty of cheap parts of London that the government would see as sacrificial even if they are heavily populated.
As you quite rightly point out these things could never be used. Their only purpose is to justify more funding for the army and/or more militarization of the police.
Last week there was a nutter throwing things off a roof in central London, he didn't have a gun or a knife. A few years ago they would have beaten him down and arrested him, last week they sent 10 or so heavily armed police. A freaking death squad to stop one unarmed crazy guy.
I 100% agree right up to the bit where you mention laughing. This isn't a laughing matter, it's a tragic commercial suicide. They could have been winning, instead they stabbed themselves in the gut with the Microsoft deal and limped around the marketplace dripping their lifeblood on the floor.
An iphone like Nokia Linux phone would have been 100% win!
With a flexible interpretation of logic and a lot of creativity religious people make anything fit within their world view. When they find out some part of it is definitely false they just bring their creativity and imagination back into play to create a new story and convince themselves it was true all along.
Hmm, kind of like evolution and global warming. Seems like this is not just a "religious people" trait, but an "all people" trait.
I'll accept that as true to some degree. But any scientist will more or less follow Occam's razor and at some point accept he is on the wrong tract when the evidence is piled up against his viewpoint. A religious person will just create more and more stories convincing himself at each stage that the latest one is some kind of ultimate truth.
I'm not sure what your point is about evolution or global warming. As far as I'm aware evolution has been proved beyond reasonable doubt and global warming is proved to some lower level of proof, i.e. some reasonable doubt still exists.
Your response to my historical record statement proves my original point.
With a flexible interpretation of logic and a lot of creativity religious people make anything fit within their world view. When they find out some part of it is definitely false they just bring their creativity and imagination back into play to create a new story and convince themselves it was true all along.
I think more, and when I think more, I disbelieve more?
So, this research can be characterized as, "when I'm faced with the fact of my own poor eyesight, or I'm forced to look at art, I hate God". Yeah, that's good science...
Worst argument ever!
Having bad eyesight != Analytical thinking. Appreciating art != Analytical thinking. Questioning believe != Hating any given god.
No one with any working braincells believes the world was created in 6 days , woman was created from a spare rib etc etc.
Religious people have a very flexible way of redefining terms that allows anything to be true.
You see 'the world was created in 6 days' as a false statement.
They see 'the world was created in 6 days' and redefine 'day' to mean any amount of time. They add a god who creates a historical record going back to the big bang for no particular reason and such a statement is true to them. They can justify anything.
Well, here's the question though, would these screeners have 'ignored' an explosive for $2,400?
Yes. Unless they actually scanned the drugs to make sure they were in fact drugs and nothing else. My guess is they didn't want to risk getting detectable levels of cocaine on themselves so just took it on faith that the guy was smuggling drugs not bombs.
It's a huge stretch to compare a doctor who spent years in medical school training to diagnose and treat medical problems with airport security guards.
You go try screening young women for breast cancer on the street. Let me know how that works out for you if you can get onto slashdot from jail.
The Milgram experiment was about inflicting pain on strangers. If you setup the same experiment but inflict pain on family members intead the experiment would not last long because the researchers would be dead.
No shit. I can promise you right now if anyone ever did that to my daughter they wouldn't be breathing for long after. TSA, cop, a judge, The Pope, The Queen, I don't really care who it is they would be dead before they hit the ground. Duress is applicable when it's your child being attacked and molested.
It's going to happen one day. Some TSA goon is going to molest the wrong little girl. It seems few Americans will stand up for their own rights but they might just stand behind someone who stood up for his.
I'm in Europe and can't believe what you people put up with.
The US treats its own citizens as criminals. Do you really think tourists were going to be treated any better? In Detroit, police raiding a house got the address wrong and shot a NINE YEAR OLD GIRL to death as she sat on her couch. They actually tazed an elderly woman confined to a hospital bed after she yelled at them to get out of her room. So again, you think tourists will get any better treatment? Don't bet on it. And with the EU rolling over like a dog, you also shouldn't count on them coming to your aid should you find yourself in a US jail for jay walking or asking an officer for directions.
I'd never heard of any of those cases, I'm amazed at the story of a couple being jailed for asking for directions.
The US sounds cruel, brutal, and violent, how can you ( or anyone ) stand to live there?
Just so we're clear, everybody who has ever said this had no intention nor need to travel to the USA anyway.
I had the intention. I travel to lots of countries to see the sights, stay in the hotels, and eat at the restaurants, Most countries value tourists as they bring in money, the US treats them like criminals. I really won't overstay my visa, I have more than enough money to support myself, and I sure as hell won't hurt or damage anyone or anything.
They don't want me there? That's a shame, I'll go to the far east and pig out on seafood instead.
this agreement has the same effect on me - I will never travel to the US.
Nor will I which is a real shame actually as I'd love to see some of the sights or go on a shopping trip. Don't they want me spending money and supporting their economy?
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African or European?
European airborne projectiles are non-migratory.
Nah - Daleks can be stopped by installing a simple staircase.
No they can't. Daleks learnt to fly some time ago.
Now these bad boys require a bit more firepower.
Weakness - seawater. The UK has plenty of that. It might be an idea to let them kill the politicians and bankers first.
I'm not right wing and I'm certainly not American. The phrase 'nanny state' although somewhat emotive does sum up the overbearing nature of the UK and it's occupying army ( the police ) right now. It also sums up America pretty well. You just have to imagine a cruel and careless nanny who is interested in absolute power rather than caring for anyone.
The sun is a rag and can't be trusted to report anything.
The JTAC and MI5 want nothing more than to scare people to justify more and more power and more and more funds. These are the same groups that claimed Saddam had all kinds of WMD's that never existed, and were never held to account for their false information later. They know they can get away with claiming anything.
If you seriously believe any of that you have been reading the wrong websites.
Muslims don't want to blow stuff up, they want low taxes, government handouts, cheap consumer goods, and sit-coms just like everyone else.
Ah your forgetting to our political masters as long as it misses London no where else in the uk matters.
If it misses the rich parts of London... There are plenty of cheap parts of London that the government would see as sacrificial even if they are heavily populated.
As you quite rightly point out these things could never be used. Their only purpose is to justify more funding for the army and/or more militarization of the police.
Last week there was a nutter throwing things off a roof in central London, he didn't have a gun or a knife. A few years ago they would have beaten him down and arrested him, last week they sent 10 or so heavily armed police. A freaking death squad to stop one unarmed crazy guy.
I 100% agree right up to the bit where you mention laughing. This isn't a laughing matter, it's a tragic commercial suicide. They could have been winning, instead they stabbed themselves in the gut with the Microsoft deal and limped around the marketplace dripping their lifeblood on the floor.
An iphone like Nokia Linux phone would have been 100% win!
With a flexible interpretation of logic and a lot of creativity religious people make anything fit within their world view. When they find out some part of it is definitely false they just bring their creativity and imagination back into play to create a new story and convince themselves it was true all along.
Hmm, kind of like evolution and global warming. Seems like this is not just a "religious people" trait, but an "all people" trait.
I'll accept that as true to some degree. But any scientist will more or less follow Occam's razor and at some point accept he is on the wrong tract when the evidence is piled up against his viewpoint. A religious person will just create more and more stories convincing himself at each stage that the latest one is some kind of ultimate truth.
I'm not sure what your point is about evolution or global warming. As far as I'm aware evolution has been proved beyond reasonable doubt and global warming is proved to some lower level of proof, i.e. some reasonable doubt still exists.
You seem to latch on to the common issue - "six days?!".
Actually Viol8 (599362) did that, I just used the example he gave to me.
Your response to my historical record statement proves my original point.
With a flexible interpretation of logic and a lot of creativity religious people make anything fit within their world view. When they find out some part of it is definitely false they just bring their creativity and imagination back into play to create a new story and convince themselves it was true all along.
I think more, and when I think more, I disbelieve more?
So, this research can be characterized as, "when I'm faced with the fact of my own poor eyesight, or I'm forced to look at art, I hate God". Yeah, that's good science...
Worst argument ever!
Having bad eyesight != Analytical thinking.
Appreciating art != Analytical thinking.
Questioning believe != Hating any given god.
You are only saying that because you have been thinking analytically all along.
This could well be shredding light for a few religious people.
No one with any working braincells believes the world was created in 6 days , woman was created from a spare rib etc etc.
Religious people have a very flexible way of redefining terms that allows anything to be true.
You see 'the world was created in 6 days' as a false statement.
They see 'the world was created in 6 days' and redefine 'day' to mean any amount of time. They add a god who creates a historical record going back to the big bang for no particular reason and such a statement is true to them. They can justify anything.
Well, here's the question though, would these screeners have 'ignored' an explosive for $2,400?
Yes. Unless they actually scanned the drugs to make sure they were in fact drugs and nothing else. My guess is they didn't want to risk getting detectable levels of cocaine on themselves so just took it on faith that the guy was smuggling drugs not bombs.
There are still boats and trains to less hostile countries.
It's a huge stretch to compare a doctor who spent years in medical school training to diagnose and treat medical problems with airport security guards.
You go try screening young women for breast cancer on the street. Let me know how that works out for you if you can get onto slashdot from jail.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's all bs & I fly as little as possible these days, but a patdown is not an attack.
You go patdown random women in the street then try to tell the court that it was not an attack.
It's sexual assult on the street and it's sexual assult in an airport.
The Milgram experiment was about inflicting pain on strangers. If you setup the same experiment but inflict pain on family members intead the experiment would not last long because the researchers would be dead.
9/11 really did change everything...
It did.. These evil people that want total control over you, they are running your country.
No shit. I can promise you right now if anyone ever did that to my daughter they wouldn't be breathing for long after. TSA, cop, a judge, The Pope, The Queen, I don't really care who it is they would be dead before they hit the ground. Duress is applicable when it's your child being attacked and molested.
It's going to happen one day. Some TSA goon is going to molest the wrong little girl. It seems few Americans will stand up for their own rights but they might just stand behind someone who stood up for his.
I'm in Europe and can't believe what you people put up with.
The US treats its own citizens as criminals. Do you really think tourists were going to be treated any better? In Detroit, police raiding a house got the address wrong and shot a NINE YEAR OLD GIRL to death as she sat on her couch. They actually tazed an elderly woman confined to a hospital bed after she yelled at them to get out of her room. So again, you think tourists will get any better treatment? Don't bet on it. And with the EU rolling over like a dog, you also shouldn't count on them coming to your aid should you find yourself in a US jail for jay walking or asking an officer for directions.
I'd never heard of any of those cases, I'm amazed at the story of a couple being jailed for asking for directions.
The US sounds cruel, brutal, and violent, how can you ( or anyone ) stand to live there?
Fuck this. Fuck the non-violent protests. Fuck it all. It just may be time for an ARMED revolution.
Count yourself lucky that your constitution gives you that right. That's just about the only thing you lot have going for you right now.
Just so we're clear, everybody who has ever said this had no intention nor need to travel to the USA anyway.
I had the intention. I travel to lots of countries to see the sights, stay in the hotels, and eat at the restaurants, Most countries value tourists as they bring in money, the US treats them like criminals. I really won't overstay my visa, I have more than enough money to support myself, and I sure as hell won't hurt or damage anyone or anything.
They don't want me there? That's a shame, I'll go to the far east and pig out on seafood instead.
deny entrance to all EU citizens?
this agreement has the same effect on me - I will never travel to the US.
Nor will I which is a real shame actually as I'd love to see some of the sights or go on a shopping trip. Don't they want me spending money and supporting their economy?