What the UN took 12 years to not do will take less than 1 week of direct action, I rest my case on the effectiveness of inspections.
As for the corruption, what is your proof? Yes Bush is an oil man, Clinton was a dirty politican that took Chinese gov't money, Bush was an oilman, Reagan was a tool of the defense industry, need I go on. My idea of coruption is standing idly by, dealing with a banned country under the table so your oil interests can get to the oil, and then obstructing a coalition of 40+ nations from disarming an evil dictator. That country is France, and God help them if it turns out they were doing more to help Hussein and his brutal regime stay in power.
I for one are all for going it alone if it means we get to keep the coalition we have assembled against Iraq today, 40+ nations $10+ trillion in GDP and 400,000 troops ammased against a thug and a tyrant as allies are a signifigant group of nations who are bent on spreading peace and democracy to the rest of the world.
No nation should sacrifice its soverignity! That is the core of my argument, some regimes sacrifice it by their actions, but a thinking man knows that this action will not create a 51st state of Iraq for the US, a soverign Iraq with a democratic peaceful regime will rise from the Socialist Ba'athist ashes, mark my words.
In the US system, each state gets an equal chance to approve legislation with its senate seats, but the house brings a measure of proportionality to the argument. California has a larger population, let them have more seats. Each country getting one vote is not a reflection of power in the world and I for one am opposed to the UN on those grounds as it ignores the proportionality of power in the world. Does France or the UK deserve a Security Council seat in light of political, territorial, and economic factors, nope, then why are they there?
Fortunately, our Constitution gives no opening for agents of a foreign gov't to infiltrate our decision making, the Founders realized that each nation must deal with their own problems internally, independent of world opinion. If nations wish to ally or make treaties on their own behalf let them, the US should not submit itself to unilateral treaties where we are the only one punished. When a nation threatens its neighbors soverignity, it must take the responsibilities that waging war brings on, including those of defeat.
Why is there this rush to make moral equivalence between Iraq and the US. When Bush starrts gassing Californians because they didn't vote for him we can talk. When we invade Canada or Mexico we can talk, but until then there is no moral equivalence between the US and Iraq.
The reason that gas prices are so high in the rest of the world is twofold, 1) they only import, with no domestic production to balance external price fluctuation and 2) It is taxed at ungodly rates, in the US the Federal gas tax is 34 cents a gallon, out of an average price over the last few weeks of 1.70. Can anyone provide EU tax rates, I know they are higher but how much?
I saw it on Free Speech TV on Dish Network, its a high channel, 9514 I think. Basically they were showing a "Best of 2/15" while having a donation drive. It was clear they were striking horses, which would have trampled the protestors if they were spooked. My hat is off to the officers of the NYPD and their mounst for holding under pressure.
I think the Czech Republic and Polish sepecial forces would beg to differ on contributing to this war. I also understand the Albanians have sent a brigade of troops that are doing POW processing and assisting interogations. The US gov't has never claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, we have pointed out however that Saddam has provided funds, food, medical care, and training to Al-Qaida, Hezbollah, Al-Asqua, and Islamic Jhiad. Iraq does effect our (and the rest of the world's) economic stability so it is our business.
Sir I must disagree, the Constitution is wholy dependent on the soverignity of the US, free from undue outside influence. This administration is fully aware of that fact and has demonstrated that they will not submit to the will of those who have no justification for rule under the Constitution.
Kyoto would restrict American business while other nations would be free to release as much CO2 as they want since they are "developing", horseshit, make it a fair fight or none at all.
The International Criminal Court is completely unconstitutional! American citizens are not subject to the justice systems of other nations, especially when their systems do not provide all of the protections of our Constitution.
The US's national defense is our damned business, Saddam is an economic threat to our nation and a military threat to our allies. We have a responsibility to defend those come hell or high water.
Teddy ain't running the show anymore, he's in semi retirment and supposedly going to donate a signifigant portion of his wealth to the poor of the world and the UN, but he hasn't yet, at the rate AOL/TW is sinking, all he is going to be able to give the UN is a a lot of single sheet toilet paper that used to be stock certificates.
You don't have to give up your tax cut, oil futures are down and the stock market is up, liberals are implanting this garbage that it isn't your money, horseshit, you pay too much in taxes for stupid, non-productive shit, like welfare and food stamps, when productive uses of taxes (like this war) are decried as running up the deficit and putting Grandma on the street.
All of those were in retaliation for attacks, Egypt went to the table with Israel and got Sainai back.
As for the American, if you are dumb enough to get in front of a 5 ton bulldozer, you deserve your darwin award.
I'm just stating that we do have a signifigant coalition of those nations that recognize the threat that Saddam is to the world at large, as opposed to the obstructionists in France, Germany, and Russia who have been dealing under the table and don't want those favorable agreements thrown out.
How many of Israel's broken resolutions are UNSEC resolutions like Iraqs? (Answer: 0). How many times has Israel been invaded by her neighbors? (Too many to count). How many homicide bombers crossed into Israel in this uprising? (too many to count) How many times has Israel bombed the nightclubs and eateries of the West Bank and Gaza? (never).
Short answer: We listened to the UN
My opinon: The Saudi gov't warned us that their radical Imans would have a field day with an infidel country bringing about the 2nd round of crusades, something neither we nor they wanted, in retrospect a bad position, as we could have forced their hand before they were as opperationally strong as today's Al-Qaida and other terrorist orgs
Umm unless we have to go kick China or India's ass the draft would be uncalled for. and I don't think either of those are actively pissing on Bush 43's Cheerios in the morning
Ummm, didn't the french tell the Iraqi's how to surrender? Can they Iraqi army not decipher the messages on the leaflets that have been droped by the planeload on Iraq with surrender instructions?
Saddam is not the only *evil* dictator in the world. Who is next? Uzbekistan? Zimbabwe? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? This tyrant argument should be applied evenly, not just in this case. The US has a signifigant amount of clean up around the world that it needs to accomplish.
I am of the opinion that a stable democracy in Iraq will lead to the downfall of the feudal system in the Middle East by its citizenry, perhaps with a little prodding by the US (Iran's citizenry is supposedly becoming more interested in freedom, anyone want to provide linkage to the contrary).
North Korea is next on the hitlist b/c they are crazy enough to level Tokyo and Seoul (and Seattle, can we divert to Redmond, please!).
Pakistan is actully under reforms now (Turkey of central Asia, they like American dollars as much as the next guy)
Uzebekistan's gov't is simply corrupt, solvable with a couple of good elections or one sucessful coup to clean out the ex-soviet inteligence guys.
Now comes the question of Zimbabwae, shock shock another brutal dictator the french gov't has embraced in its own economic interest, amazing.
I'm talking about 91-2000, pre-merger but post Gulf War. As much as I hate Time-Warner, it is a shame to see them being run into the ground by an even dumber company (AOL), how the hell do you lose 90 billion dollars selling internet service for $24 a month, those CD's can't cost more than $0.005 each for AOL/TW and its not like they are having to do a whole lot of development (Mozilla project aside).
I think Ari said it best, 1+ billion people, over 10 Trillion in GDP, nearly 500000 combined forces from all 6 populated continents, a coalition of the willing indeed. Now why not add up the population and GDP of Iraq and the obstructionist "Axis of Weasel" who are now actively opposing the US action (0, I don't see anyone coming to Iraq's defense with weapons, men, or aid and comfort, I kind of wish the French would though |;-) )
As for Turkey, overflight rights are a very important aspect of this conflict, as will be demonstrated when the Northern front opens with airlifted troops and air support for the Kurds (70000 ground troops who are well fed, well armed, and ready to kill some Ba'athists).
Please provide examples, where has the media glossed over the costs of this war for the benefit of the Bush administration.
But we aren't acting unilaterally, if France couldn't comprehend what the "serious consequences" in 1441 are, they are dumber than our congressmen who are proposing to bring our WWII dead back home. They could have vetoed 1441, they could have proposed to drop sanctions anytime over the last 12 years, they could have condemed Clinton when he stated that the US policy was for regime change in Iraq, but they didn't, too bad, now we will demonstrate what happens to regimes who thumb their nose at the world.
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What the UN took 12 years to not do will take less than 1 week of direct action, I rest my case on the effectiveness of inspections.
As for the corruption, what is your proof? Yes Bush is an oil man, Clinton was a dirty politican that took Chinese gov't money, Bush was an oilman, Reagan was a tool of the defense industry, need I go on. My idea of coruption is standing idly by, dealing with a banned country under the table so your oil interests can get to the oil, and then obstructing a coalition of 40+ nations from disarming an evil dictator. That country is France, and God help them if it turns out they were doing more to help Hussein and his brutal regime stay in power.
I for one are all for going it alone if it means we get to keep the coalition we have assembled against Iraq today, 40+ nations $10+ trillion in GDP and 400,000 troops ammased against a thug and a tyrant as allies are a signifigant group of nations who are bent on spreading peace and democracy to the rest of the world.
No nation should sacrifice its soverignity! That is the core of my argument, some regimes sacrifice it by their actions, but a thinking man knows that this action will not create a 51st state of Iraq for the US, a soverign Iraq with a democratic peaceful regime will rise from the Socialist Ba'athist ashes, mark my words.
In the US system, each state gets an equal chance to approve legislation with its senate seats, but the house brings a measure of proportionality to the argument. California has a larger population, let them have more seats. Each country getting one vote is not a reflection of power in the world and I for one am opposed to the UN on those grounds as it ignores the proportionality of power in the world. Does France or the UK deserve a Security Council seat in light of political, territorial, and economic factors, nope, then why are they there?
Fortunately, our Constitution gives no opening for agents of a foreign gov't to infiltrate our decision making, the Founders realized that each nation must deal with their own problems internally, independent of world opinion. If nations wish to ally or make treaties on their own behalf let them, the US should not submit itself to unilateral treaties where we are the only one punished. When a nation threatens its neighbors soverignity, it must take the responsibilities that waging war brings on, including those of defeat.
Why is there this rush to make moral equivalence between Iraq and the US. When Bush starrts gassing Californians because they didn't vote for him we can talk. When we invade Canada or Mexico we can talk, but until then there is no moral equivalence between the US and Iraq.
The reason that gas prices are so high in the rest of the world is twofold, 1) they only import, with no domestic production to balance external price fluctuation and 2) It is taxed at ungodly rates, in the US the Federal gas tax is 34 cents a gallon, out of an average price over the last few weeks of 1.70. Can anyone provide EU tax rates, I know they are higher but how much?
I saw it on Free Speech TV on Dish Network, its a high channel, 9514 I think. Basically they were showing a "Best of 2/15" while having a donation drive. It was clear they were striking horses, which would have trampled the protestors if they were spooked. My hat is off to the officers of the NYPD and their mounst for holding under pressure.
I think the Czech Republic and Polish sepecial forces would beg to differ on contributing to this war. I also understand the Albanians have sent a brigade of troops that are doing POW processing and assisting interogations. The US gov't has never claimed that Saddam was behind 9/11, we have pointed out however that Saddam has provided funds, food, medical care, and training to Al-Qaida, Hezbollah, Al-Asqua, and Islamic Jhiad. Iraq does effect our (and the rest of the world's) economic stability so it is our business.
Sir I must disagree, the Constitution is wholy dependent on the soverignity of the US, free from undue outside influence. This administration is fully aware of that fact and has demonstrated that they will not submit to the will of those who have no justification for rule under the Constitution.
Kyoto would restrict American business while other nations would be free to release as much CO2 as they want since they are "developing", horseshit, make it a fair fight or none at all.
The International Criminal Court is completely unconstitutional! American citizens are not subject to the justice systems of other nations, especially when their systems do not provide all of the protections of our Constitution.
The US's national defense is our damned business, Saddam is an economic threat to our nation and a military threat to our allies. We have a responsibility to defend those come hell or high water.
Our oil is far from running out, now I'm not sure what the North Sea's strategic reserve looks like, but ours are signifigant.
Teddy ain't running the show anymore, he's in semi retirment and supposedly going to donate a signifigant portion of his wealth to the poor of the world and the UN, but he hasn't yet, at the rate AOL/TW is sinking, all he is going to be able to give the UN is a a lot of single sheet toilet paper that used to be stock certificates.
A free and democratic Iraq and Afghanistan, secures our nation's security and prosperity, thats what having the worlds strongest army buys you.
Could it be they aren't anti-war, but are anti-capitalism?
Please point out which of thses wars we started or wasn't provoked into? Several of those have acompanying UN mandates for US to be there.
You don't have to give up your tax cut, oil futures are down and the stock market is up, liberals are implanting this garbage that it isn't your money, horseshit, you pay too much in taxes for stupid, non-productive shit, like welfare and food stamps, when productive uses of taxes (like this war) are decried as running up the deficit and putting Grandma on the street.
typing ability is more important than their balls to some /.'ers
It's a joke, laugh shitheads!
But we don't use them! Chem weapon free since 1918 and Nuke free since 1945, they are kept mainly as a deterent.
then why did oil futures drop?
All of those were in retaliation for attacks, Egypt went to the table with Israel and got Sainai back.
As for the American, if you are dumb enough to get in front of a 5 ton bulldozer, you deserve your darwin award.
Aaah, not familiar with that one will google for it after I get home though, sounds interesting.
I'm just stating that we do have a signifigant coalition of those nations that recognize the threat that Saddam is to the world at large, as opposed to the obstructionists in France, Germany, and Russia who have been dealing under the table and don't want those favorable agreements thrown out.
How many of Israel's broken resolutions are UNSEC resolutions like Iraqs? (Answer: 0). How many times has Israel been invaded by her neighbors? (Too many to count). How many homicide bombers crossed into Israel in this uprising? (too many to count) How many times has Israel bombed the nightclubs and eateries of the West Bank and Gaza? (never).
Short answer: We listened to the UN
My opinon: The Saudi gov't warned us that their radical Imans would have a field day with an infidel country bringing about the 2nd round of crusades, something neither we nor they wanted, in retrospect a bad position, as we could have forced their hand before they were as opperationally strong as today's Al-Qaida and other terrorist orgs
Umm unless we have to go kick China or India's ass the draft would be uncalled for. and I don't think either of those are actively pissing on Bush 43's Cheerios in the morning
Ummm, didn't the french tell the Iraqi's how to surrender? Can they Iraqi army not decipher the messages on the leaflets that have been droped by the planeload on Iraq with surrender instructions?
The US has a signifigant amount of clean up around the world that it needs to accomplish.
Now comes the question of Zimbabwae, shock shock another brutal dictator the french gov't has embraced in its own economic interest, amazing.
For some reason, the American people seem to prefer Fox as opposed to CNN, could it be that they actually agree with the commentary on Fox?
I'm talking about 91-2000, pre-merger but post Gulf War. As much as I hate Time-Warner, it is a shame to see them being run into the ground by an even dumber company (AOL), how the hell do you lose 90 billion dollars selling internet service for $24 a month, those CD's can't cost more than $0.005 each for AOL/TW and its not like they are having to do a whole lot of development (Mozilla project aside).
I think Ari said it best, 1+ billion people, over 10 Trillion in GDP, nearly 500000 combined forces from all 6 populated continents, a coalition of the willing indeed. Now why not add up the population and GDP of Iraq and the obstructionist "Axis of Weasel" who are now actively opposing the US action (0, I don't see anyone coming to Iraq's defense with weapons, men, or aid and comfort, I kind of wish the French would though |;-) )
As for Turkey, overflight rights are a very important aspect of this conflict, as will be demonstrated when the Northern front opens with airlifted troops and air support for the Kurds (70000 ground troops who are well fed, well armed, and ready to kill some Ba'athists).
Please provide examples, where has the media glossed over the costs of this war for the benefit of the Bush administration.
But we aren't acting unilaterally, if France couldn't comprehend what the "serious consequences" in 1441 are, they are dumber than our congressmen who are proposing to bring our WWII dead back home. They could have vetoed 1441, they could have proposed to drop sanctions anytime over the last 12 years, they could have condemed Clinton when he stated that the US policy was for regime change in Iraq, but they didn't, too bad, now we will demonstrate what happens to regimes who thumb their nose at the world.