It may not be fully stable yet (although is has worked smoothly for me for about a week)
Which card have you got? That project looks like a lot of fun.
I have filled this goddamn form out a dozen or so times, phoned, and even sent snail mail asking for their hardware docs, each time kissing ass and telling them how wonderful they are. I'm listed as a developer for Gatos, and they still won't talk to me. I think the "SCO Linux" option on their target platform list is a good enough indication of how much attention that section of the web page gets. WTF does that even mean, SCO Linux.. RedHat, SuSE, and Debian aren't on there, is that some kind of jab?
I think its highly doubtful I'll ever see any docs, so its probably time I just get a card and start hacking.
if you contribute to any GNU programs you have to assign copyright to the FSF
I think this helps explain why Sourceforge is huge, and Savanah isn't. And why of the 2402 projects on it, only 291 are "Official GNU software". I fear OpenSolaris will suffer the same fate. I wouldn't do it, I'd wait for the fork, and contribute to that.
It's not even really designed to last more than 5 years.
I haven't bought very much new hardware in the past 5 years. The stuff I've got works great. Tuxracer runs just fine.
What pisses me off most is the clowns who mail dri-devel or come in #xorg asking for help with their proprietary nVidia or ATI cards every hour or two when it says right in the topic "Closed driver questions in #ati or #nvidia". Don't people realize that is insulting to Xorg developers? People get upset when their drivers don't work with Xorg CVS. It's rediculous.
I don't understand why someone like you would get defensive about nVidia though. Do they send you a cheque every month? All those drivers do is subtract motivation for people to get involved in Xorg development, or Gatos, or whatever. I'm in favour of purposely breaking compatibility on a monthly basis if need be.
The point is that there will always be those who use church attendance as a tool for political gain and act contary to the teachings of that church
Yeah, and its happening right now with nobody in the Church complaining about it. At least not very loudly anyway. Seems like they're just happy someone is talking about religion, and they don't really care who it is. That is why I have a hard time with the phrase "Christian Leaders". They should be the first ones to jump up and say this is wrong. Well that, and because I don't see how you can be a leader, if by definition Christians are followers.
He did? I could have sworn that Git development began in early April with many people helping, and the first merge wasn't made until a couple weeks later, and why Git developent is ongoing. That was most of the reason why 2.6.12 took 3 months to get out the door.
(Sorry this is what I meant to reply to, but accidentally deleted it before hitting submit)
As far as your antagonism against Christianity goes, it sounds like you were more oppressed by the state than by the church and have misplaced your anger.
That is exactly my point. This is why I have come to respect Christians, and hold contempt for governments that use religion to support tyranny.
I don't know about the U.S., but in Canada, our constitution says that we are subservient to both God, and the Queen of England for crying out loud. Its the very first sentence:
Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law
And this was what was told to me when I objected to being forced to recite the Lord's Prayer every morning. Trudeau had just recently enacted the constitional act, so this stuff was pretty new. There were no Christians that I could find who would support my view that this was mind control, and not a genuine display of faith. They all thought it was a fantastic idea, and suggested they should teach us the bible as well.
I would not have objected to bible teachings, as long as it was presented in the same way that evolution was. As the "The Theory of Evolution". Maybe I would have though, its hard to say for sure - I was very mad about it. The theory of the bible is interesting to me now, but I do not believe it to be true at this point.
That was actually precisely the reason I chose an ATI card despite its poorer performance (and support) under Linux.
Same here, and its the reason I still use my old Radeon All In Wonder 7200 in my desktop, and a Rage128 in my media box while the newer one still sits in its box.
I know of the Crusades and don't appreciate being told that I don't.
What? I never said you didn't. I explicitly said that I thought you probably would know of them, but that others might find the Wiki article interesting.
I don't think you've read such passages as Luke 3:7-14
No, I haven't. I stole the books-on-tape version of the King James Bible from edonkey if that tells you anything. What it should tell you is that I don't believe the bible is a true accounting of history, or that there is a God.
I believe everyone has a right to believe whatever they like, so long as the leave the rest of us alone about it.
Worse. I'm back in University finishing my degree. Thanks.
This quote from that page is more along the lines of what I would consider an ideal:
Someday, Subversion may have the features Linus needs, but they're just vaporware until then
I've been using SVN myself for a while now, so please excuse me if I'm coming across as a Subversive zealot, I'm really not. I just think its wasteful to write git from scratch, while the current projects just need a bit of tweaking to do what is needed. Not invented here isn't any better in open/free software than it is elsewhere IMHO.
I don't have a problem with someone who has a genuine faith and is in public office.
Neither do I. I just have a serious problem with people who make a big deal about their faith, and act completely contrary to it. Its really puzzling to me though how Christians can allow themselves to be allied with the war machine.
(see Islamic law or the Spanish Inquisition)
Or the crusades (I linked not because I doubt you know about them, just that its an interesting read in the context of today). When I was in school (in Canada), we were forced to stand and say the lords prayer in public school. This is how my antagonism toward Christianity started. Unless I could prove to them that I (actually my parents, my view wasn't important at all) was of a faith other than Christian, there was no way to abstain. Apparently not having faith in anything in particular wasn't allowed.
These days I have gained a lot of respect for Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism. I resent non-believers taking advantage of people who do believe in these things. They have a lot to teach us. Thats why I feel so strongly that actions should speak much louder than words, and we should focus on what Jesus would say if he were alive today. Forget about if its true or not, its not really that important.
even the Subversion developers disagree with you that SVN "works fine" for Linus's needs
Links? Linus got by with basically nothing but tar, gzip, diff, and patch for a long time. I think the fact that many of the developers do use SVN is proof that it can work.
Looks like there's also a bunch of files that don't include that clause. Including files that Linus holds the copyright to. I don't think he put that statment in the main COPYING file for nothing.
So what are you saying, that when GPL-3 comes out, Linus will be having some kind of psychotic episode where he is unable to find himself to get aproval? Linus says a lot of crazy things, but I don't think he's that nuts.
It's way more than a couple, that's my point -- It's up to the contributer, not Sun or Linus.
People's minds do change. I for one am shocked that there aren't Christian "leaders" (a term used by Christians that I find very misleading, thus the quotations) denouncing Bush as a follower of Jesus. You cannot set records for capitol punishment, lead an invasion that kills thousands of innocent people and actually believe that there is a God, and his son was upon Earth saying the things he did.
Faith in my vocabulary means that people are inherently good, and that evil does not exist. Those people that do evil deeds really believe they are doing good for the most part.
That was exactly the argument against using it in the first place. With proprietary closed source software that is the risk. It's unfortuate that one of the most respected GPL'd projects out there went down this path. On the other hand, it gives us something to point to the next time..
X11 Binary only video drivers are a similar situation. They seem okay now (to some people), but later when nVidia decides they aren't supporting older chipsets to get people to buy new cards this will be a huge problem.
because BK and git work without a connected network.
So git allows people to commit to and checkout from the repository with no access to it. That is indeed impressive technology. We need a web to git gateway then so I can cancel my ISP connection.
There's no reason you can't mirror an SVN repository locally, then generate a diff for submission later.
Slashdot Mirror
It may not be fully stable yet (although is has worked smoothly for me for about a week)
Which card have you got? That project looks like a lot of fun.
I have filled this goddamn form out a dozen or so times, phoned, and even sent snail mail asking for their hardware docs, each time kissing ass and telling them how wonderful they are. I'm listed as a developer for Gatos, and they still won't talk to me. I think the "SCO Linux" option on their target platform list is a good enough indication of how much attention that section of the web page gets. WTF does that even mean, SCO Linux.. RedHat, SuSE, and Debian aren't on there, is that some kind of jab?
I think its highly doubtful I'll ever see any docs, so its probably time I just get a card and start hacking.
if you contribute to any GNU programs you have to assign copyright to the FSF
I think this helps explain why Sourceforge is huge, and Savanah isn't. And why of the 2402 projects on it, only 291 are "Official GNU software". I fear OpenSolaris will suffer the same fate. I wouldn't do it, I'd wait for the fork, and contribute to that.
It's not even really designed to last more than 5 years.
I haven't bought very much new hardware in the past 5 years. The stuff I've got works great. Tuxracer runs just fine.
What pisses me off most is the clowns who mail dri-devel or come in #xorg asking for help with their proprietary nVidia or ATI cards every hour or two when it says right in the topic "Closed driver questions in #ati or #nvidia". Don't people realize that is insulting to Xorg developers? People get upset when their drivers don't work with Xorg CVS. It's rediculous.
I don't understand why someone like you would get defensive about nVidia though. Do they send you a cheque every month? All those drivers do is subtract motivation for people to get involved in Xorg development, or Gatos, or whatever. I'm in favour of purposely breaking compatibility on a monthly basis if need be.
The point is that there will always be those who use church attendance as a tool for political gain and act contary to the teachings of that church
Yeah, and its happening right now with nobody in the Church complaining about it. At least not very loudly anyway. Seems like they're just happy someone is talking about religion, and they don't really care who it is. That is why I have a hard time with the phrase "Christian Leaders". They should be the first ones to jump up and say this is wrong. Well that, and because I don't see how you can be a leader, if by definition Christians are followers.
As for the rest of us, we are doing well with our NVidia cards.
Poor bastard. You only think you are.
This LiveCD would be a great platform to bootstrap Gentoo on, like Knoppix is now. See this thread, and this one if anyone wants to help.
Quote from ferringb:
Linus threw git together in a few hours
He did? I could have sworn that Git development began in early April with many people helping, and the first merge wasn't made until a couple weeks later, and why Git developent is ongoing. That was most of the reason why 2.6.12 took 3 months to get out the door.
I keep waiting for someone to get the bright idea to give these men a crusade. That'll be exciting.
Don't give them any ideas. China has done enough to Tibet already.
You think he could turn SVN into a distributed CMS with a few patches?
No more so than starting from scratch would require. This seems to be the approach svk is taking, and seems to be pretty far along.
That is exactly my point. This is why I have come to respect Christians, and hold contempt for governments that use religion to support tyranny.
I don't know about the U.S., but in Canada, our constitution says that we are subservient to both God, and the Queen of England for crying out loud. Its the very first sentence:
And this was what was told to me when I objected to being forced to recite the Lord's Prayer every morning. Trudeau had just recently enacted the constitional act, so this stuff was pretty new. There were no Christians that I could find who would support my view that this was mind control, and not a genuine display of faith. They all thought it was a fantastic idea, and suggested they should teach us the bible as well.
I would not have objected to bible teachings, as long as it was presented in the same way that evolution was. As the "The Theory of Evolution". Maybe I would have though, its hard to say for sure - I was very mad about it. The theory of the bible is interesting to me now, but I do not believe it to be true at this point.
That was actually precisely the reason I chose an ATI card despite its poorer performance (and support) under Linux.
Same here, and its the reason I still use my old Radeon All In Wonder 7200 in my desktop, and a Rage128 in my media box while the newer one still sits in its box.
Unfortunately, Linus didn't have the luxury of waiting for Subversion to mature to his needs.
So... SVN would have rejected his patches based on what? His agreement with Bitkeeper not to work on any competing products?
I know of the Crusades and don't appreciate being told that I don't.
What? I never said you didn't. I explicitly said that I thought you probably would know of them, but that others might find the Wiki article interesting.
I don't think you've read such passages as Luke 3:7-14
No, I haven't. I stole the books-on-tape version of the King James Bible from edonkey if that tells you anything. What it should tell you is that I don't believe the bible is a true accounting of history, or that there is a God.
I believe everyone has a right to believe whatever they like, so long as the leave the rest of us alone about it.
There is no single source of truth.
:)
I don't see how this is an advantage. In the good old days everyone would just sync with Linus' tree and thats the way we liked it.
Worse. I'm back in University finishing my degree. Thanks.
This quote from that page is more along the lines of what I would consider an ideal:
I've been using SVN myself for a while now, so please excuse me if I'm coming across as a Subversive zealot, I'm really not. I just think its wasteful to write git from scratch, while the current projects just need a bit of tweaking to do what is needed. Not invented here isn't any better in open/free software than it is elsewhere IMHO.
I don't have a problem with someone who has a genuine faith and is in public office.
Neither do I. I just have a serious problem with people who make a big deal about their faith, and act completely contrary to it. Its really puzzling to me though how Christians can allow themselves to be allied with the war machine.
(see Islamic law or the Spanish Inquisition)
Or the crusades (I linked not because I doubt you know about them, just that its an interesting read in the context of today). When I was in school (in Canada), we were forced to stand and say the lords prayer in public school. This is how my antagonism toward Christianity started. Unless I could prove to them that I (actually my parents, my view wasn't important at all) was of a faith other than Christian, there was no way to abstain. Apparently not having faith in anything in particular wasn't allowed.
These days I have gained a lot of respect for Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism. I resent non-believers taking advantage of people who do believe in these things. They have a lot to teach us. Thats why I feel so strongly that actions should speak much louder than words, and we should focus on what Jesus would say if he were alive today. Forget about if its true or not, its not really that important.
His administration ended with him on trial for a range of offences and several members of his cabinet and the police commissioner in jail.
;)
Well there's still hope that Justice will prevail in the U.S. too.
even the Subversion developers disagree with you that SVN "works fine" for Linus's needs
Links? Linus got by with basically nothing but tar, gzip, diff, and patch for a long time. I think the fact that many of the developers do use SVN is proof that it can work.
Looks like there's also a bunch of files that don't include that clause. Including files that Linus holds the copyright to. I don't think he put that statment in the main COPYING file for nothing.
So what are you saying, that when GPL-3 comes out, Linus will be having some kind of psychotic episode where he is unable to find himself to get aproval? Linus says a lot of crazy things, but I don't think he's that nuts.
It's way more than a couple, that's my point -- It's up to the contributer, not Sun or Linus.
I never understood the point of disscussing it.
People's minds do change. I for one am shocked that there aren't Christian "leaders" (a term used by Christians that I find very misleading, thus the quotations) denouncing Bush as a follower of Jesus. You cannot set records for capitol punishment, lead an invasion that kills thousands of innocent people and actually believe that there is a God, and his son was upon Earth saying the things he did.
Faith in my vocabulary means that people are inherently good, and that evil does not exist. Those people that do evil deeds really believe they are doing good for the most part.
Why would radicals not also be capable of defacing it?
Why, don't radicals have real opinions? Or only moderate minded people?
I think defacing must mean frosty piss and the like. Otherwise its not really a public forum at all.
linus was forciblly stopped from using bitkeeper
That was exactly the argument against using it in the first place. With proprietary closed source software that is the risk. It's unfortuate that one of the most respected GPL'd projects out there went down this path. On the other hand, it gives us something to point to the next time..
X11 Binary only video drivers are a similar situation. They seem okay now (to some people), but later when nVidia decides they aren't supporting older chipsets to get people to buy new cards this will be a huge problem.
because BK and git work without a connected network.
So git allows people to commit to and checkout from the repository with no access to it. That is indeed impressive technology. We need a web to git gateway then so I can cancel my ISP connection.
There's no reason you can't mirror an SVN repository locally, then generate a diff for submission later.
Not has... May..
Also note that in the COPYING file it specifically states
Just for fun, try: