It hasn't gone too badly so far. What is truly scary is that the Conservative party in Canada regularly criticizes the Liberals for pissing off the US government. They have a very good chance of forming the next government here. I shudder to think of what a few years of the Conservative/Republican combo is capable of doing to this continent. People are making way too much of this sponsorship scandal. A couple hundred million dollars is peanuts compared to what goes on in the regular course of the governments business. Punish those who were involved, and get on with life.
For years my local governments funnelled hundreds of millions of public tax dollars into a privately owned hockey team under the threat that they would leave if they didn't. Then they left anyway. That scandal should have been investigated, but never was. Nobody even cared.
That hasn't been my experience. Other distro's I have used have caused me a great deal of frustration and wasted time in trying to sort out problems caused by upgrading. Compile and install time might be slow, but I don't care 99% of the time, because I do that when I'm not there.
You might think so, but I used to have the exact opposite setup where/home was NFS mounted, and root was local. I don't tend to move from one box to the other though very much, and when I do I want a different set of application settings. For example, on my media box, I don't run X at all, everything is on the framebuffer. So my ~/.mplayer/config uses "vo=directfb:vidix", instead of "vo=xv" like it is on my main desktop. I also really don't want multiple instances of applications trying to read & write settings that may be in use on another box. It's a pain in the ass to have to ssh to another box and close down Firefox to be able to open it elsewhere, and even more of a pain in the ass to try and get it to use two different profiles. Two config's with bookmarks.html symlinked to a common location on the NFS server works pretty nicely though.
Distcc helps nicely and can cut the compile time for a base system by one third
I have 4 Gentoo systems on my LAN (1xP4, 1xP3, 2xAMD K7), which all share a NFS root filesystem (with/home and swap space on local hard drives). The base system is compiled with "-Os -march=i686", and each box runs distcc. I'm very happy with this setup so far. It doesn't make much sense to me for each box to have a distro installed, and even less sense with Gentoo where each box will compile its own binaries. If I were running distcc on all 4 boxes, and each binary being compiled 4 times (generally), I wouldn't be any further ahead I don't think. It really helps when each box on the LAN helps to compile one shared set of binaries though.
It is a feature but since it is a standard it doesn't have to be documented completely by Mozilla.
Yes, that's very true, but Mozilla the platform would probably be much more popular if it was. That's all I'm saying. It would be very nice if there was a central location to go to when you wanted to learn about any aspect of Mozilla like there is in the Microsoft world. A revived and improved DevEdge would do great things for Mozilla I think.
Which comes with every mozilla browser via the TransforMiiX module.
Javascript is an ECMA standard
Which is what Mozilla's javascript implementation is based on. To quote the home page, "Netscape's JavaScript is a superset of the ECMA-262 Edition 3".
What does ActiveX do that XPCOM and Java are incapable of performing?
I think the correct answer is marketing. The gecko browsers are packed full of some really cool toys for developers. But it's very very hard to sort through it all. Every so often I start playing with various features common to Mozillaish browsers like XPI, XSLT, and Javascript. It always strikes me how much potential there is to make some very cool applications using these. One pet project of mine is to see if I could create a set of XSLT documents that would transform glade projects into XUL applications, which could be themed via css.
It's coming along pretty well, but I find it very difficult to wade through the developer documentation. XULplanet is a great resource, and there's a few others like the DOM ref on moz.org, but it seems pretty scattered, and sometimes out dated, and sometimes it just completely disappears like DevEdge (which there was some talk about being resurrected). In some cases, the only reliable documentation is the moz source itself, which is very hard to navigate without a fair bit of research.
I've never done anything with ActiveX at all, or dealt with Microsoft API's very often at all, but I've seen their documentation, and it seems like its quite a bit more focused, and easy to find things.
Having had to go looking for documentation myself, I think I can see why companies would be reluctant to use Mozilla technologies in house. Is there anybody at the Mozilla foundation that deals strictly with promoting moz as a developer platform, rather than focusing on the browser itself?
And what kind of loser doormat are you that you would let the other kids diss you when you are letting them use YOUR ball?... He might be a tool for thinking that way, but he certain has the right to take it away
One with the good sense to realize that no matter what you do on the internet, someone is bound to have a problem with it. Yes he has the right to take it away, that's the reason it never should have been used in the first place.
Then don't accuse me of being a proprietary crap zealot
Different guy. I think he was calling you a proprietary zealot, because you called him a zealot of some other sort.
No, the vendor yanked the tool after he could not get Tridgell to desist on his reverse-engineering efforts.
Why should he? What right does he have to tell others what to do, when he doesn't have the fortitude to live up to what he offered previously?
There is a difference between saying "I told you so", and saying you're an idiot for making a choice in tool.
And both of those are different for than just taking your ball, and going home because you don't like what the other kids are saying.
(Here is the difference.)
Open source is many different things, to many different people. To some of us it's a movement akin to the civil rights movement. If that makes us zealots then so be it.
I merely recognise McVoy's RIGHT to choose the conditions upon which provides his proprietary software and his RIGHT to retract his offerings.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he doesn't have that right. It's that right that people exercise when they publish code under the GPL. This is just an example of why the GPL is preferable to proprietary licenses. If Bitreeker was GPL, someone could fork it and we'd continue as normal. Instead the proprietary vendor has just yanked the tool without any forwarning, and caused a disruption to the project. This is the "I told you so" part of the process.
A right wing government that is slightly less corrupt than the liberals! Yay!
Haha, I was expecting an answer like "you don't have to live in Manitoba".;)
I'd count King Ralph as a plus for Alberta. I was living there during the incident where Ralph went to the homeless shelter and berated the locals. I'd vote for him again if I had the chance. He's like Trudeau, except not a pussy. Ralph for PM!
In Canada, one major cable ISP, Shaw, uses traffic shaping to heavily throttle bittorrent since they see it as a tool for pirates
Where? I'm in Winnipeg on Shaw, and I just used bittorrent to download the Ubuntu install and Live CD's, and I got a steady 650kB/s within seconds of adding the torrents. That's as fast as this thing goes, so I don't think there is a very effective throttling in place if there is any. I think you just need to fix your firewall, and/or get a better client.
I agree.. The only time I use it is when clicking a pdf link in FF. It generally used to take about 30 seconds before I would see the document. Now it only takes about 2 seconds. (I even rebooted to make extra sure I wasn't just taking advantage of ld.so.cache or whatever).
I like it a lot more without the "extra features".
The biggest piece of damage such a virus could do is... look in the user's mailbox and send itself on to all the email addresses it finds
I could think of worse things.. Like harvesting my IM passwords, which Gaim stores unencrypted because I'm lazy and checked 'save password'. Or sending itself to everyone on my buddy list. Or installing malicious plugins/extensions into my Firefox profile. Or proxying traffic for botnets or DDoS attacks. Or just sitting there silently waiting for me to type my root password, and send it back home.
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you know how GeeDubyah reacts to rejection
It hasn't gone too badly so far. What is truly scary is that the Conservative party in Canada regularly criticizes the Liberals for pissing off the US government. They have a very good chance of forming the next government here. I shudder to think of what a few years of the Conservative/Republican combo is capable of doing to this continent. People are making way too much of this sponsorship scandal. A couple hundred million dollars is peanuts compared to what goes on in the regular course of the governments business. Punish those who were involved, and get on with life.
For years my local governments funnelled hundreds of millions of public tax dollars into a privately owned hockey team under the threat that they would leave if they didn't. Then they left anyway. That scandal should have been investigated, but never was. Nobody even cared.
Remember to keep separate the American citizens from the American Government(TM).
It is the citizens that give their government legitimacy.
Or what if the US made Canadian beef illegal? Or Canadian lumber? Or Canadian wheat?
Or Canadian pork
That hasn't been my experience. Other distro's I have used have caused me a great deal of frustration and wasted time in trying to sort out problems caused by upgrading. Compile and install time might be slow, but I don't care 99% of the time, because I do that when I'm not there.
You might think so, but I used to have the exact opposite setup where /home was NFS mounted, and root was local. I don't tend to move from one box to the other though very much, and when I do I want a different set of application settings. For example, on my media box, I don't run X at all, everything is on the framebuffer. So my ~/.mplayer/config uses "vo=directfb:vidix", instead of "vo=xv" like it is on my main desktop. I also really don't want multiple instances of applications trying to read & write settings that may be in use on another box. It's a pain in the ass to have to ssh to another box and close down Firefox to be able to open it elsewhere, and even more of a pain in the ass to try and get it to use two different profiles. Two config's with bookmarks.html symlinked to a common location on the NFS server works pretty nicely though.
I'm laughing very hard.
I'm a Gentoo fan, who's also laughing. Isn't notorious generally a bad thing? What's notorious about its speed? Is it famous for being slow?
Distcc helps nicely and can cut the compile time for a base system by one third
/home and swap space on local hard drives). The base system is compiled with "-Os -march=i686", and each box runs distcc. I'm very happy with this setup so far. It doesn't make much sense to me for each box to have a distro installed, and even less sense with Gentoo where each box will compile its own binaries. If I were running distcc on all 4 boxes, and each binary being compiled 4 times (generally), I wouldn't be any further ahead I don't think. It really helps when each box on the LAN helps to compile one shared set of binaries though.
I have 4 Gentoo systems on my LAN (1xP4, 1xP3, 2xAMD K7), which all share a NFS root filesystem (with
It is a feature but since it is a standard it doesn't have to be documented completely by Mozilla.
Yes, that's very true, but Mozilla the platform would probably be much more popular if it was. That's all I'm saying. It would be very nice if there was a central location to go to when you wanted to learn about any aspect of Mozilla like there is in the Microsoft world. A revived and improved DevEdge would do great things for Mozilla I think.
they merely are standards that have actually been implemented in Moz
I see.. So you're saying that support for something isn't a feature. That's interesting.
But maybe HTML/XHTML and CSS are "mozilla features"
Yes.. XHTML is a feature of Mozilla. It's not exactly one of IE's. CSS to a certain extent as well.
XSLT is a W3C standard
Which comes with every mozilla browser via the TransforMiiX module.
Javascript is an ECMA standard
Which is what Mozilla's javascript implementation is based on. To quote the home page, "Netscape's JavaScript is a superset of the ECMA-262 Edition 3".
standardized by W3C as DOM-1 (and DOM-2 soon)
Which the Gecko DOM resembles.
That's my point. What's yours again?
The GTK+ documentation is awesome. It's exactly like what XUL needs.
What does ActiveX do that XPCOM and Java are incapable of performing?
I think the correct answer is marketing. The gecko browsers are packed full of some really cool toys for developers. But it's very very hard to sort through it all. Every so often I start playing with various features common to Mozillaish browsers like XPI, XSLT, and Javascript. It always strikes me how much potential there is to make some very cool applications using these. One pet project of mine is to see if I could create a set of XSLT documents that would transform glade projects into XUL applications, which could be themed via css.
It's coming along pretty well, but I find it very difficult to wade through the developer documentation. XULplanet is a great resource, and there's a few others like the DOM ref on moz.org, but it seems pretty scattered, and sometimes out dated, and sometimes it just completely disappears like DevEdge (which there was some talk about being resurrected). In some cases, the only reliable documentation is the moz source itself, which is very hard to navigate without a fair bit of research.
I've never done anything with ActiveX at all, or dealt with Microsoft API's very often at all, but I've seen their documentation, and it seems like its quite a bit more focused, and easy to find things.
Having had to go looking for documentation myself, I think I can see why companies would be reluctant to use Mozilla technologies in house. Is there anybody at the Mozilla foundation that deals strictly with promoting moz as a developer platform, rather than focusing on the browser itself?
And what kind of loser doormat are you that you would let the other kids diss you when you are letting them use YOUR ball? ... He might be a tool for thinking that way, but he certain has the right to take it away
One with the good sense to realize that no matter what you do on the internet, someone is bound to have a problem with it. Yes he has the right to take it away, that's the reason it never should have been used in the first place.
Different guy. I think he was calling you a proprietary zealot, because you called him a zealot of some other sort.
Why should he? What right does he have to tell others what to do, when he doesn't have the fortitude to live up to what he offered previously?
And both of those are different for than just taking your ball, and going home because you don't like what the other kids are saying.
Open source is many different things, to many different people. To some of us it's a movement akin to the civil rights movement. If that makes us zealots then so be it.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he doesn't have that right. It's that right that people exercise when they publish code under the GPL. This is just an example of why the GPL is preferable to proprietary licenses. If Bitreeker was GPL, someone could fork it and we'd continue as normal. Instead the proprietary vendor has just yanked the tool without any forwarning, and caused a disruption to the project. This is the "I told you so" part of the process.
I was wondering why I had to download and compile OOo twice
You didn't. openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 also contained the fix. No need to compile at all.
this hole was found like ... oh yeah only like a day ago.
No, it was found 3 days ago.. Gentoo had the patch and a new ebuild that day.
A right wing government that is slightly less corrupt than the liberals! Yay!
;)
Haha, I was expecting an answer like "you don't have to live in Manitoba".
I'd count King Ralph as a plus for Alberta. I was living there during the incident where Ralph went to the homeless shelter and berated the locals. I'd vote for him again if I had the chance. He's like Trudeau, except not a pussy. Ralph for PM!
Health care premiums, outrageous car insurance prices, and throttled bittorrent.. The Alberta advantage is what again? ;)
In Canada, one major cable ISP, Shaw, uses traffic shaping to heavily throttle bittorrent since they see it as a tool for pirates
Where? I'm in Winnipeg on Shaw, and I just used bittorrent to download the Ubuntu install and Live CD's, and I got a steady 650kB/s within seconds of adding the torrents. That's as fast as this thing goes, so I don't think there is a very effective throttling in place if there is any. I think you just need to fix your firewall, and/or get a better client.
Seems like the entertainment industry's one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
I don't know.. Seems like providing legal ways to for people to get content using state of the art technology would be a great thing.
I agree.. The only time I use it is when clicking a pdf link in FF. It generally used to take about 30 seconds before I would see the document. Now it only takes about 2 seconds. (I even rebooted to make extra sure I wasn't just taking advantage of ld.so.cache or whatever).
I like it a lot more without the "extra features".
In hex, my user id is a palindrome
We should start The Cult of the Palindromic Slashbots or something.
I'm 87F78, pleased to meet you 8E6E8. You can just call me 10000111111101111000 for short.
Sometimes there's some value in compiling your own.
... And sometimes there's no need. The openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 ebuild contains the fix as well, and won't take 6 hours to compile.
:)
Yeah, I'm a fanboy too.
The biggest piece of damage such a virus could do is... look in the user's mailbox and send itself on to all the email addresses it finds
I could think of worse things.. Like harvesting my IM passwords, which Gaim stores unencrypted because I'm lazy and checked 'save password'. Or sending itself to everyone on my buddy list. Or installing malicious plugins/extensions into my Firefox profile. Or proxying traffic for botnets or DDoS attacks. Or just sitting there silently waiting for me to type my root password, and send it back home.