Did you even look at the membership list of the w3c? It doesn't have anything to do with a browser having market share, and everything to do with a standards body publishing a standard.
I said Microsoft is a member of the w3c and do not follow their standards, and you start talking about browser stats. WTF? There are actual standards, not just things that are that way because they happens to work in a particular browser.
Just out of curiosity, does Safari respect the top margin on the 2nd of the two div's on my second link (In other words, is there space between the bottom of the first image and the top of the second div? I imagine it behaves like Konqueror right?
"Compilers shouldn't, because their user is a developer and he can (and should) fix the problems. But browsers should indeed render broken code, or make a best effort thereof."
How is it any different? With HTML, the user is the web developer, just as the programmer is the user of C or C++. The person viewing the page is analogous to the user who uses the program after it has been compiled.
The de facto standard is what people use, not what some commitee decide on.
No, a de facto standard happens when people agree on a protocol without the existence of a formal standard. When the formal standard exists, (and came about with input and support from Microsoft) the other becomes known as "the wrong way".
Unfortunately though most of us have no control over that. Even more unfortunate is that even more of us don't care one way or the other as long as it looks right. Microsoft is the only one that is really in a position to improve the situation, but it is in their best interest not to correct this, because it reinforces the 'pages don't render correctly in other browsers' misconception.
That one isn't anywhere near as bad as the times when the entire page content is shifted one screen width to the right, but it still annoys me very much, and happens almost every time, whereas the page shifting bug only happens I would say 1/20 times as a rough estimate.
I have a hard time drawing a parallel between the beef ban and these other trade disputes. That's why I didn't mention it. There is safety concerns that may or may not be valid, we just aren't sure. I think the US' reaction is one of playing it safe, so that their beef supply isn't called in to question. That is a terrible position to take considering how open the border has been in the past, because if there is infected cattle on this side of the border, I'm fairly certain its on the other side too.
The fact that none have shown up in the US only feeds the conspiracy nut inside me that says those cattle were planted there in order to justify a ban. I wouldn't put it passed them. When I say them, I don't mean the US gov't or Americans as a whole either. I mean some lunatic with an agenda and a twisted view of the world.
Even if I lose the memories inside my head, I'll have them recorded, so they won't be gone.
I just don't think it's going to matter that much to you once you've passed on to the great recycling box in the ground. Death is inevitable, doesn't matter if its alzheimer's, or natural causes.
That would be fantastic for your family if they had some kind of record for every person in their family. That kind of thing should be done regardless of diseases.
My point is simply that it is arrogant to think that humanity is some sort of be-all and end-all
It's human nature to do this I think. It's why we used to believe that the sun revolved around the Earth, and why Christians tell their children that judgement day is coming. People can't get over the fact that in the big picture, we're pretty insignificant.
is that the arbitration in NAFTA invariably falls in favour of the States
That isn't the case though. More times than not, NAFTA arbitration goes in Canada's favour. They just don't have the power to do anything about it, and the US doesn't have to listen.
If there's any Australians who still think Free Trade with the US is a good thing, just ask their largest trading partner how free trade has helped with softwood lumber, hogs, wheat, or anything else for that matter.
For those unfamiliar with the process:
Blame Canada
Impose tariff
Ignore NAFTA rulings that don't support the tariff
???
Profit
NAFTA was supposed to reduce trade barriers, but has only made them much worse. Push for binding arbitration in your FTA if you can't get out of it now. They will not listen to trade commissions, they make more money collecting the tariffs than they lose paying penalties.
It would probably be better information for the families, than for the individuals. You'd probably make better plans if you knew you were going to have to care for Grandpa as an alzheimer victim.
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Did you even look at the membership list of the w3c? It doesn't have anything to do with a browser having market share, and everything to do with a standards body publishing a standard.
I said Microsoft is a member of the w3c and do not follow their standards, and you start talking about browser stats. WTF? There are actual standards, not just things that are that way because they happens to work in a particular browser.
I disagree, because if the users are unable to view a page because it is broken, it will be fixed.
I wonder then, do some browsers count the margin from the end of the div which doesn't expand, and some count it from img which hangs out of it?
Its just something I noticed a long time ago, and I've never been able to explain.
Is the poster trying to prove Opera 8.0B3 (The B stands for 'Beta') isn't compliant?
I think that's very much the point. Otherwise known as the pot calling the kettle black.
Just out of curiosity, does Safari respect the top margin on the 2nd of the two div's on my second link (In other words, is there space between the bottom of the first image and the top of the second div? I imagine it behaves like Konqueror right?
"That means it's illegal for them to do shit like engineered lack of interoperability. "
Why would Microsoft count itself as a member of the w3c if it has no desire to follow the standards which it puts forth?
Unless it has a goal of engineered lack of interoperability like you say, it really makes no sense.
"Compilers shouldn't, because their user is a developer and he can (and should) fix the problems. But browsers should indeed render broken code, or make a best effort thereof."
How is it any different? With HTML, the user is the web developer, just as the programmer is the user of C or C++. The person viewing the page is analogous to the user who uses the program after it has been compiled.
The de facto standard is what people use, not what some commitee decide on.
No, a de facto standard happens when people agree on a protocol without the existence of a formal standard. When the formal standard exists, (and came about with input and support from Microsoft) the other becomes known as "the wrong way".
Unfortunately though most of us have no control over that. Even more unfortunate is that even more of us don't care one way or the other as long as it looks right. Microsoft is the only one that is really in a position to improve the situation, but it is in their best interest not to correct this, because it reinforces the 'pages don't render correctly in other browsers' misconception.
Because people write awful code.
They wouldn't write aweful code, if browsers refused to render aweful code.
I think slashcode ate your tags. Could you repost that with "<"'s in place of the <'s?
And every time this is mentioned, I begin wondering whatever became of the effort to make Slashdot standards compliant?
It seemed like a hell of a good idea at the time.
Have you never seen it do this?
:)
That one isn't anywhere near as bad as the times when the entire page content is shifted one screen width to the right, but it still annoys me very much, and happens almost every time, whereas the page shifting bug only happens I would say 1/20 times as a rough estimate.
It's not hard to create valid pages that render differently in different browsers. I just want to know why.
Reminds me of a button I had in the preNAFTA days, when we were still debating the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement:
(For some values of free)
I have a hard time drawing a parallel between the beef ban and these other trade disputes. That's why I didn't mention it. There is safety concerns that may or may not be valid, we just aren't sure. I think the US' reaction is one of playing it safe, so that their beef supply isn't called in to question. That is a terrible position to take considering how open the border has been in the past, because if there is infected cattle on this side of the border, I'm fairly certain its on the other side too.
The fact that none have shown up in the US only feeds the conspiracy nut inside me that says those cattle were planted there in order to justify a ban. I wouldn't put it passed them. When I say them, I don't mean the US gov't or Americans as a whole either. I mean some lunatic with an agenda and a twisted view of the world.
Even if I lose the memories inside my head, I'll have them recorded, so they won't be gone.
I just don't think it's going to matter that much to you once you've passed on to the great recycling box in the ground. Death is inevitable, doesn't matter if its alzheimer's, or natural causes.
That would be fantastic for your family if they had some kind of record for every person in their family. That kind of thing should be done regardless of diseases.
My point is simply that it is arrogant to think that humanity is some sort of be-all and end-all
It's human nature to do this I think. It's why we used to believe that the sun revolved around the Earth, and why Christians tell their children that judgement day is coming. People can't get over the fact that in the big picture, we're pretty insignificant.
is that the arbitration in NAFTA invariably falls in favour of the States
That isn't the case though. More times than not, NAFTA arbitration goes in Canada's favour. They just don't have the power to do anything about it, and the US doesn't have to listen.
All of these countries make crap beer compared to the Japanese micro-breweries I frequented
You should see what we make at our breweries.
Booze blows.
If there's any Australians who still think Free Trade with the US is a good thing, just ask their largest trading partner how free trade has helped with softwood lumber, hogs, wheat, or anything else for that matter.
For those unfamiliar with the process:
- Blame Canada
- Impose tariff
- Ignore NAFTA rulings that don't support the tariff
- ???
- Profit
NAFTA was supposed to reduce trade barriers, but has only made them much worse. Push for binding arbitration in your FTA if you can't get out of it now. They will not listen to trade commissions, they make more money collecting the tariffs than they lose paying penalties.It would probably be better information for the families, than for the individuals. You'd probably make better plans if you knew you were going to have to care for Grandpa as an alzheimer victim.
"No, I don't. Solaris competes with Linux
I think you're talking about Linux the kernel, and he's talking about the mythical "Linux Operating System".
What is to become of the looking glass theme I saw a while back?
You mean the one in the early beta releases?
This is very arrogant of them to alienate users and after all it was Mozilla the suite that established them. The attitude is lets screw the users.
The users overwhelmingly chose Firefox over Mozilla. Bitch at them if you want.
much, much, MUCH more bloatless.
Is that sort of like being less bloated?