it's become part of the economic infrastructure - harming it is harm to the entire economy
there is also a power inequity in the transaction: all the data service providers are in a cartel. There is no free market action capable of taking place in the data services industry because the almost all-encompassing cartel that makes sure they all deny people their cunsomer rights and they are keeping the price artificially high.
A) antitrust laws are required, and when applied: effective and if you don't know what economic conditions i'm refering to then you really shouldn't be discussing economics.
You make bare assertion after bare assertion, all of which are contradictory to fact, especially when it comes to the type of services we're talking about the most in this discussion: infrastructure.
It appears your definition of a "good" economy is an Ayn Rand type and your definition of "idiots" is anyone who actually pays attention to history.
You are a partisan hack of the economics type. Where is PoliticalTrollOptOut When you need him
So how do I go about extracting and refining heating oil myself? How do I feed myself If I live in a poor farming area (like the middle of a city).
You defeat your own argument by making appeal to subsistance farming you tried to support.
You seem to be to be an anarchocapitalist, if you want to see what your position creates then destroy another country - I'm not going to let you destroy my home.
You're trying to frame the argument to your advantage with bare assertions such as "The purpose of ownership is control.". I gave you several chances to stop engaging in disengenious argument practices and you failed to do so.
Someone who cannot argue their point without engaging in weasel techniques looses by default.
You're overgeneralizing regulations. Some regulations can be anticompetative and in the majority of circumstances they should not exist - the local "monopoly" is a necessary evil on many infrastructure services - however infrastructure should always remain in the hands of the public (ZOMG! Socialism! hybrid economy! cats and dogs living togeather!... sorry, couldn't help it:P) and the operation of that infrastructure be competatively bid out periodically every 3-5 years.
I never said regulations _couldn't_ be bad, infact regulations most certainly can be bad, however no regulations are also bad. Appropriate regulations are requisite for a stable and functional capitalist economy.
Even If I were to accept your modified definition of socialism, which I do not, it would still work against your argument because the government by no means controls corporations. Regulates certain abusive activities yes, but they nowhere near control them. Furthermore those companies that are subject to broader control than average are generally local/regional monopolies that received government funding for the endorsement of their monopoly and agreed to the restrictions
The beginning of the 20th century is a good example. Cartels and monopolies only collapse IF competition can enter the market, and in the case of cartels if that competition doesn't join the cartel.
It is in the interst of cartels and monopolies to make the cost to enter the market as high as possible via anticompetative practices.
I am not sure what theory you're citing and claiming I need "strong" evidence against because it is most certainly not the dominate economic theory with every not rabidly-partisan economist I've ever met and the theory you cite goes against simple common sense you can gain from a short review of the economic history of the United States.
I stopped reading your post after "Mmm no, capitalism in it's pure form is exactly "laissez faire"." - since you have failed to even have enough enough of Adam Smith to know that he opposed the type of laissez-faire that the term means modernly. A "minimum interference" approach from the government is excellent, and he advocated it, but he (and in turn I) recognized that there cannot be zero "interference".
If you remove all government "interference" the corporations, cartels and monopolies will themselves become the interference. The government can protect both parties, without the government protections the little guy is screwed to death and the entire economy in question destablizes and then collapses.
unlimited laissez-faire really worked... at causing the great depression.
regulation is not ownership, nor is it in any way equivalent. Regulation is a fundamental and important party of any economic system - especially capitalism.
please cite an example of the public/government owning the means of production if you wish to attempt to say we're becoming a socialist state.
second the statement In true capitalism, where there aren't regulations, it does not tend to monopoly because the moment a market becomes oppressed, a competitor will step up and fill the gap Shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how monopolies work - monopolies PREVENT competitors from surviving - that's why a monopoly that gets in trouble is in trouble for anticompetative practices
I know not all monopolies are bad in principle, but show me a monopoly that HASN'T abused it's position?
BTW: go look up the word socialism - i'm sick and tired of people misusing it. Socialism is the system of government under which the government/people own the means of production.
Well Mr A. Coward I think I know what fair means pretty well - a fair transaction is a mutually beneficial one. Right now cable companies get away with forcing to give up some of their rights - such as the right to watch their service on any device they want (thank you CableLabs for enabling them to do this). That is not a fair transaction.
Most of the world is using the DVB standard for their digital cable and HD, which is an open standard with standard hardware - facilitates full usage of your signal on your computer so it's very convient for homebrew PVR, has the program guide info encoded right into the signal, etc.
We use a CableLabs-encumbered system and CableLabs is doing everything it can to ensure that the consumer cannot watch the cable he's paying for on any device he wants, makes sure he cannot build home brew PVRs, etc.
The Cable Industry, just like the MPAA and RIAA only get away with the crap they get away with because: A) there is a power inquity (CI, MPAA, RIAA are all cartels), B) they pay off politicians to keep that power C) corporate america makes sure Joe Sixpack doesn't know better.
The rights of americans of all forms - civil rights, human rights, consumer rights - are all being destroyed wholesale. I cannot completely blame the republicans. The DMCA was clinton's doing, so was DOMA - I cannot say for certain whether the DMCA was just a lack of understanding what he was signing or not.
What happened to the land of the free? It was sold.
Don't get me wrong, I am a major fan of free markets and capitalism... something we really don't have in this area in large part because of government regulations and municipal/regional monopolies that do much to lock out competition.
This statement shows a fundamental lack of understanding of capitalism. Capitalism is not "laissez-faire", capitalism collapses into cartels and monopolies in a laissez-faire environment. Capitalism only works when the transactions are fair, that's why you have government regulations, some things are more costly to the public than their worth (polution) and hence should also be restricted. Furthermore in situations of a power inequity between the two parties involved in the transaction (say: on life-criticial services like electricity, water, heating gas) the stronger party [the seller in these cases] can force unfair terms upon the customer - yet another situation in which the government must step in to ensure a fair transaction.
If you do not ensure fair transactions capitalism does not function. Adam Smith, father of capitalism, recognized this himself.
Municipal/regional monopolies on infrastructure services (gas, power, data, water) are not necessarily bad- however how they are managed here is terribly bad - they get away with screwing over the customer left and right because they greasy the palms of corrupt politicians of all stripes.
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ivtv isn't included by default yet - it's still in active development and it's API isn't fixed -infact i believe they're rewriting to match up with a new unified API for mpeg2 hardware encoders that will be v4l2-wide
If you don't know what commands you have to run as super user you have no busiess trying to install anything. RTFM.
(or at least there aren't any PVR-250 variations listed in the 'not working' or 'unknown' sections)
Actually there is you reading challenged blame-shifting punk.
Under "Not Known to work" Hauppauge Rev 28xxx (has no IR port), code name: Roslyn. Sometimes (to maximize confusion?) called a 'PVR250MCE'. This [1] is what the Roslyn card looks like. Note the cx23880 close to the PCI socket and the cx23416 and its sdram 'behind' it.
looking under "Known to Work" you even see the PVR-250 entry makes reference to it! Hauppauge PVR250MCE - (non blackbird design)
Like I said - READ THE FSCKING MANUAL
I've been lied to by Linux software many more times than any other OS, and I got sick of it so I stopped trying.
There is a difference between "lied" and you being totally and completely incompetant and incapable of reading even the MOST SIMPLY user documentaiton
Stop blame shifting your inability to read the documentation completely and saying other people are being dishonest.
It's not IvyTV's fault that you are totally and completely incapable of reading the documentation
PS One of my first Linux experiences was a RedHat 6.2 install that claimed that it worked with SoundBlaster 16 cards out-of-the-box with no configuration, and it didn't.
don't cry me a sob story and be immature and accuse other people of being dishonest because you didn't RTFM
PS: the firmware is loaded by the drivers (both linux and windows) when the driver is loaded - the IVTV documentation even COVERS that and provides you links to the best-known firmware.
stop using Ubuntu [flamebait] it's a total POS - i tried getting mythTV running on it and promptly gave up when I encountered shit like pam version.79 when current is.99 and.79 is required for rlimits, etc. Synaptic installed gcc4 in a state in which it couldn't build binaries, etc.
It's also really easy to know if you have a good card or bad card. Got a PVR 150, 250, 350 or 500? you have a good card. Now some of the newer 500s have a samsung tuner that they'e having to hack. Just buy your card of ebay, and blame samsung.
And for the love of all things holy go download Fedora Core 5, avoid atrpms like the plague, and get a recent kernel so you are using ivtv-0.6.x - i suspect you're using ivtv-0.4.x
Things I wouldn't have on windows: LVM mythTV [relatively] easy to configure RS232 IR Receiver [relatively] easy to configure RS232 IR Blaster to control cable box
(yes i'm running a linux mythTV box:P)
I actually had my completely non-nerd fiancee on pure linux for a long time - until we started playing EQ and it brought us both back to windows.
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it's become part of the economic infrastructure - harming it is harm to the entire economy
there is also a power inequity in the transaction: all the data service providers are in a cartel. There is no free market action capable of taking place in the data services industry because the almost all-encompassing cartel that makes sure they all deny people their cunsomer rights and they are keeping the price artificially high.
A) antitrust laws are required, and when applied: effective
and if you don't know what economic conditions i'm refering to then you really shouldn't be discussing economics.
You make bare assertion after bare assertion, all of which are contradictory to fact, especially when it comes to the type of services we're talking about the most in this discussion: infrastructure.
It appears your definition of a "good" economy is an Ayn Rand type and your definition of "idiots" is anyone who actually pays attention to history.
You are a partisan hack of the economics type. Where is PoliticalTrollOptOut When you need him
So how do I go about extracting and refining heating oil myself? How do I feed myself If I live in a poor farming area (like the middle of a city).
You defeat your own argument by making appeal to subsistance farming you tried to support.
You seem to be to be an anarchocapitalist, if you want to see what your position creates then destroy another country - I'm not going to let you destroy my home.
You're trying to frame the argument to your advantage with bare assertions such as "The purpose of ownership is control.". I gave you several chances to stop engaging in disengenious argument practices and you failed to do so.
Someone who cannot argue their point without engaging in weasel techniques looses by default.
I welcome you to my foes list.
You are forced to trade for life critical services however
You're overgeneralizing regulations. Some regulations can be anticompetative and in the majority of circumstances they should not exist - the local "monopoly" is a necessary evil on many infrastructure services - however infrastructure should always remain in the hands of the public (ZOMG! Socialism! hybrid economy! cats and dogs living togeather! ... sorry, couldn't help it :P) and the operation of that infrastructure be competatively bid out periodically every 3-5 years.
I never said regulations _couldn't_ be bad, infact regulations most certainly can be bad, however no regulations are also bad. Appropriate regulations are requisite for a stable and functional capitalist economy.
You're failing to recognize distinctions I'm making - please start paying attention to my distinctions or I'm not going to reply to you.
Even If I were to accept your modified definition of socialism, which I do not, it would still work against your argument because the government by no means controls corporations. Regulates certain abusive activities yes, but they nowhere near control them. Furthermore those companies that are subject to broader control than average are generally local/regional monopolies that received government funding for the endorsement of their monopoly and agreed to the restrictions
I guess history isn't reality then.
Parent post stated things pretty well - i wonder why they hid behind the AC - please mod them up
The beginning of the 20th century is a good example. Cartels and monopolies only collapse IF competition can enter the market, and in the case of cartels if that competition doesn't join the cartel.
It is in the interst of cartels and monopolies to make the cost to enter the market as high as possible via anticompetative practices.
I am not sure what theory you're citing and claiming I need "strong" evidence against because it is most certainly not the dominate economic theory with every not rabidly-partisan economist I've ever met and the theory you cite goes against simple common sense you can gain from a short review of the economic history of the United States.
Exactly.
I stopped reading your post after "Mmm no, capitalism in it's pure form is exactly "laissez faire"." - since you have failed to even have enough enough of Adam Smith to know that he opposed the type of laissez-faire that the term means modernly. A "minimum interference" approach from the government is excellent, and he advocated it, but he (and in turn I) recognized that there cannot be zero "interference".
... at causing the great depression.
If you remove all government "interference" the corporations, cartels and monopolies will themselves become the interference. The government can protect both parties, without the government protections the little guy is screwed to death and the entire economy in question destablizes and then collapses.
unlimited laissez-faire really worked
regulation is not ownership, nor is it in any way equivalent. Regulation is a fundamental and important party of any economic system - especially capitalism.
please cite an example of the public/government owning the means of production if you wish to attempt to say we're becoming a socialist state.
I stopped reading your post when you misused the word socialism.
First off - white space PLEASE
second the statement
In true capitalism, where there aren't regulations, it does not tend to monopoly because the moment a market becomes oppressed, a competitor will step up and fill the gap
Shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how monopolies work - monopolies PREVENT competitors from surviving - that's why a monopoly that gets in trouble is in trouble for anticompetative practices
I know not all monopolies are bad in principle, but show me a monopoly that HASN'T abused it's position?
BTW: go look up the word socialism - i'm sick and tired of people misusing it. Socialism is the system of government under which the government/people own the means of production.
Well Mr A. Coward I think I know what fair means pretty well - a fair transaction is a mutually beneficial one. Right now cable companies get away with forcing to give up some of their rights - such as the right to watch their service on any device they want (thank you CableLabs for enabling them to do this). That is not a fair transaction.
Most of the world is using the DVB standard for their digital cable and HD, which is an open standard with standard hardware - facilitates full usage of your signal on your computer so it's very convient for homebrew PVR, has the program guide info encoded right into the signal, etc.
We use a CableLabs-encumbered system and CableLabs is doing everything it can to ensure that the consumer cannot watch the cable he's paying for on any device he wants, makes sure he cannot build home brew PVRs, etc.
The Cable Industry, just like the MPAA and RIAA only get away with the crap they get away with because: A) there is a power inquity (CI, MPAA, RIAA are all cartels), B) they pay off politicians to keep that power C) corporate america makes sure Joe Sixpack doesn't know better.
The rights of americans of all forms - civil rights, human rights, consumer rights - are all being destroyed wholesale. I cannot completely blame the republicans. The DMCA was clinton's doing, so was DOMA - I cannot say for certain whether the DMCA was just a lack of understanding what he was signing or not.
What happened to the land of the free? It was sold.
Don't get me wrong, I am a major fan of free markets and capitalism... something we really don't have in this area in large part because of government regulations and municipal/regional monopolies that do much to lock out competition.
This statement shows a fundamental lack of understanding of capitalism. Capitalism is not "laissez-faire", capitalism collapses into cartels and monopolies in a laissez-faire environment. Capitalism only works when the transactions are fair, that's why you have government regulations, some things are more costly to the public than their worth (polution) and hence should also be restricted. Furthermore in situations of a power inequity between the two parties involved in the transaction (say: on life-criticial services like electricity, water, heating gas) the stronger party [the seller in these cases] can force unfair terms upon the customer - yet another situation in which the government must step in to ensure a fair transaction.
If you do not ensure fair transactions capitalism does not function. Adam Smith, father of capitalism, recognized this himself.
Municipal/regional monopolies on infrastructure services (gas, power, data, water) are not necessarily bad- however how they are managed here is terribly bad - they get away with screwing over the customer left and right because they greasy the palms of corrupt politicians of all stripes.
According to whom?
ivtv isn't included by default yet - it's still in active development and it's API isn't fixed -infact i believe they're rewriting to match up with a new unified API for mpeg2 hardware encoders that will be v4l2-wide
If you don't know what commands you have to run as super user you have no busiess trying to install anything. RTFM.
(or at least there aren't any PVR-250 variations listed in the 'not working' or 'unknown' sections)
Actually there is you reading challenged blame-shifting punk.
Under "Not Known to work"
Hauppauge Rev 28xxx (has no IR port), code name: Roslyn. Sometimes (to maximize confusion?) called a 'PVR250MCE'. This [1] is what the Roslyn card looks like. Note the cx23880 close to the PCI socket and the cx23416 and its sdram 'behind' it.
looking under "Known to Work" you even see the PVR-250 entry makes reference to it!
Hauppauge PVR250MCE - (non blackbird design)
Like I said - READ THE FSCKING MANUAL
I've been lied to by Linux software many more times than any other OS, and I got sick of it so I stopped trying.
There is a difference between "lied" and you being totally and completely incompetant and incapable of reading even the MOST SIMPLY user documentaiton
Stop blame shifting your inability to read the documentation completely and saying other people are being dishonest.
It's not IvyTV's fault that you are totally and completely incapable of reading the documentation
PS
One of my first Linux experiences was a RedHat 6.2 install that claimed that it worked with SoundBlaster 16 cards out-of-the-box with no configuration, and it didn't.
mine did
RTFM http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware
don't cry me a sob story and be immature and accuse other people of being dishonest because you didn't RTFM
PS: the firmware is loaded by the drivers (both linux and windows) when the driver is loaded - the IVTV documentation even COVERS that and provides you links to the best-known firmware.
stop using Ubuntu [flamebait] it's a total POS - i tried getting mythTV running on it and promptly gave up when I encountered shit like pam version .79 when current is .99 and .79 is required for rlimits, etc. Synaptic installed gcc4 in a state in which it couldn't build binaries, etc.
It's also really easy to know if you have a good card or bad card. Got a PVR 150, 250, 350 or 500? you have a good card. Now some of the newer 500s have a samsung tuner that they'e having to hack. Just buy your card of ebay, and blame samsung.
And for the love of all things holy go download Fedora Core 5, avoid atrpms like the plague, and get a recent kernel so you are using ivtv-0.6.x - i suspect you're using ivtv-0.4.x
If I need drivers, they most likely exist for Linux.
:P)
Radeon 9600SE - Check
BTTV capture device - Check
IVTV Capture Device (Hauppauge PVR-500) - Check
Turtle Beach Riveria - check
Onboard LAN - Check
Onboard Audio - Check, but disabled
Things I wouldn't have on windows:
LVM
mythTV
[relatively] easy to configure RS232 IR Receiver
[relatively] easy to configure RS232 IR Blaster to control cable box
(yes i'm running a linux mythTV box
I actually had my completely non-nerd fiancee on pure linux for a long time - until we started playing EQ and it brought us both back to windows.
Good chance I'm going to migrate back the linux.