First of all, it doesn't use much more resources than XP and you can slim it down to use pretty much the same.
Second of all - what do you need all those "resources" for? I've never needed more than 2GB GB RAM in the machine for *any* compiles to run fast.
I always hear this "ugh !!! Resourzes!!" MacOS is probably the biggest dog of any - I mean ANY - Operating system in current development. It's slow and a memory hog.
MacOS interface is very simple, and it's "easy enough" to find things and get things done. But if you want to do any sort of customization - forget it. If you want to change the way.. forget it. Don't even think about it.
There's some ways to making things in MacOS do what you want, but the solutions are often worse then editing registry entries.
And, every little utility * ALL OF THEM * even if all they do is one little thing that you only do once - cost money. There's almost NO free utilities for MacOS. It's always $5, or $10, or $20 for some little shit utility that you might use twice.
I found myself at the terminal/command prompt on MacOS more than I do on Ubuntu.
AP31R0N: I agree. The rest of my family - non-technical people - use it just fine. I've deployed XP to 500 - 1,500 user networks. I've managed XP in many different scenarios.
Usually, problems with Windows only arise when: You download Malware and install it, or you are trying to do something most people won't do. I've had my share of problems with XP but I'm also really trying to do things that only a geak would do. So it breaks sometimes, and I fix it.
It's just popular to bash Windows. It's not perfect, and there's some annoying ass problems with it, but MacOS ain't no saint either.
I pay for a certain amount of bandwidth from my ISP and I'll be damned if I'm going to just open it - litigation fears be damned - and let some dude download porn all day and saturate my connection, my equipment, my network.
No thx. They can pay the cable company and get their own line.
Don't bring up an argument saying that Macs aren't more expensive than a clone and then put in some bullshit (and any arguments are petty, except mine) in there.
Ohh come on, dude. They didn't try do settle or license anything. They ignored Psystar for awhile because it was beneath them, and then once Psystar got a few more customers they slam down the crushing lawsuit.
Apple is no better (or no worse) than any other corporation.
Apple has done worse in their day. They're more ruthless than most corporations when it comes to things like this.
Somehow, it seems to go unnoticed..
I guess people forgot how they squashed the Mac clone market a decade ago by deciding to no longer license the ROM needed to run MacOS and thus putting many OEM companies out of business in one fell swoop.
Not very insightful at all. I thought it would be pretty obvious to infer the following from my post:
- That I was an Admin - That web mail and general internet surfing was not banned - That there was no written procedure to go through; this guy was just a schmuck - Obviously it was the work PC. It was easier saying "My PC" than "The PC that sits at my desk that I use every day which was designated for my use during the work day."
The PC was connected to OUR domain, at our department. By taking the PC to their office, which I firewalled from ours (we had patch management, software deployment, locked down PC's; a fully managed system - they still have Win95 machines running) so they couldn't login to our domain.
I was asked for the "Administrator" password first. I told them that it was Vista, and that I never assigned one to "Administrator." They didn't believe me. Eventually they asked for my password, which I didn't give them.
Some departments have good stuff. At the DOC, we had a large VMware ESX environment with a Clariion SAN and a large campus fiber-connected network. It worked exceptionally well.
The problem isn't budget or equipment, it's politics and mismanagement.
While it's not quite THAT bad in Rhode Island (you CAN be fired) it's nearly so. It's so hard to fire a state employee that usually, people "fail upwards." So, the really crappy workers end up getting promoted AWAY to a different department. Then they fail there, and they are promoted again to a different department.
Unfortunately, after so much promoting because you suck so much, you end up being the boss of the people that wanted you gone in the first place.
The sad part about RI IT is that there's some good guys working there; they really do want to do a good job and run things smoothly. It was a pleasure to work with some of those people.
Unfortunately, there's some real class-A dickheads in the management positions that keep everyone fighting with each other. People from Agency A are afraid to help someone from Agency B because Ernie Smith will go ape shit about some paperwork that he created the day before didn't get filled out in triplicate. So everyone hires more contractors.
DoIT has blown millions and millions of taxpayer dollars and things are worse now than ever. Eventually, I HOPE, someone in the higher up will say "Okay, I'm sorry, but you simply can no longer explain away these failures because of 'resistance to change.'"
I used to work for the State (a very small state) and some dipshit "Security Director" over at the Department of Administration (all our Internet traffic went through there) decided that he didn't like all this traffic coming from my PC to an IP address that matched a "corporate domain name" (it was my own domain, and I'd login to my own webmail.) Basically this guy was (is) paid $150K a year, and all he does is install appliances and watch logs to try and catch people surfing the wrong web pages (he used to be a cop.)
He tried to fire me for "running a business from my desk" which of course I wasn't doing..
Anyways, he sent someone down to my office and they took my PC. Vista x86.
So they couldn't figure out how to login to the machine. The so-called security expert couldn't even create a boot disk or anything to get access. It's not like it was a crazy machine, it was a Dell Precision machine with a SATA RAID card. All they had to do was download the drivers from Dell and make a BartPE or something.
They basically told me that if I didn't give them my password I was fired. I absolutely REFUSED. Never do you ever need to have someone give you their password. A so-called security expert should know this.
So eventually I drove over there, typed in my password for them, and drove back to my office. They didn't find anything, obviously, and I got the machine back completely wiped two weeks later.
So yes, they are DEFINITELY INCOMPETENT! All IT management in state/government agencies are, and most of the people working for them as well. You move up in the government simply by not being fired and putting in more years than the next guy.
You're talking about closed document formats, specifically Adobe formats, and Photoshop doesn't run on Linux without WINE/Emulators. The PSD format is not an open format - so until someone reverse engineers the extremely complex PSD format, you're SOL.
On a Linux desktop, Gimp documents are supported by most Linux apps. Last I checked, Photoshop doesn't natively open Gimp documents either. (GIMP has beta support for PSD format documents, BTW. Works okay for many documents.)
This has nothing to do with the type of application interoperability that's worth mentioning. I mean, wow - closed source document formats don't always perfectly on open source software. Weird.
The camera "RAW" formats aren't necessarily open either. Canon or Pentax might both charge for the specifications (I don't know.) On Windows, almost nothing opens RAW with any success. Some other apps try, like Acdsee, but they don't do a good job. Only Adobe Camera RAW seems to be any good, and again, is a Windows/Mac only app.
Not sure what you mean by the Cocoa "service announcement" stuff. But if you mean something like OLE, OLE works fine with most GUI linux apps; at least the ones I use. But yea, that's the only example of interoperability you've mentioned here.
Both KDE and Gnome have interfaces to allow applications to directly interact with the desktop or framework. Many apps written for either GTK or QT (which is almost all of them now a days) make use of these interfaces.
Ohh shove off. There's plenty of problems of OSS, but I don't think it's as bad as YOU make it out to be.
You say "if I have something negative to say" - no, you didn't just say something negative. You said "'ll either ignore you or stick your request at the bottom of my list." I refute that statement strongly, and I refute your stance that nobody writing OSS has any "responsibility."
I don't see any difference here between OSS and non-OSS in each aspect. Every Windows software development house is your so-called "island." There's so much shitty commercial software out there, and they have no accountability to anyone either. Sure, you pay them for the software, but if there's a problem - then what? You call support for best-effort fixes. And in the case of Microsoft, you have to PAY for that luxury.
Maybe the last time you seriously have an OSS desktop a chance was in 1999. But now a days, copy/paste works like it should, and software interopability is shaping up very nicely. And I hope you're not saying that somehow Windows or MacOS is any better in this regard. Cite an example of some interop that's good on those systems that doesn't work on a Linux desktop. I dare you to come up with some meaningful examples.
I'm in the same boat as you, but unlike you I *do* like the direction they're going and I can't wait to see what they're going to do to improve it in the coming months.
It's a new UI, and now that it's "released" they'll get a lot more feedback, and I expect to see a lot of improvements moving forward.
I don't think the KDE team expected no negative feedback. The problem with introducing new features one by one, in this case, is that they have made a significant number of changes on the back-end, and would have had to re-write a lot of old code to make KDE 4 look like KDE 3 just to make people comfortable.
KDE had made incremental changes from 1.x through 3.x. 4.0 represents a new direction for the first time.
I think KDE 4 shows a lot of promise; I like what I see so far. I think they are making bold moves to address a lot of the old problems, and it's taking a LOT of time and effort to make it a reality. Perhaps more then they even thought it would.
Like you though, I'll probably have to wait until a later version to use it as my primary desktop. That's okay though, because Gnome and KDE 3.x are still good and I can wait.
Yea, and don't you hate the argument that MacOS is always somehow better than anything else? Gah, I don't like MacOS. I have never liked the "dancing" top bar or no click-through. Ever wonder why nobody else does a UI this way? Because when given the choice, people would rather not use the MacOS UI.
You mustn't actually USE any open source software, or have actually contributed to any of it.
I'm not a developer, or a programmer, and I've found that most of these guys working on these projects take a lot of pride in their work. I've sent e-mails to quite a few projects and I almost always get a very favorable response. I've submit bug reports and have had them fixed in the next release.
Where else can you get that kind of user-to-developer connection?
You seem to have a lot of anger towards open source, and you think that everyone doing it is in it for some kind of glory or something. Whatever man. Go work for some slave shop like EA and leave us alone.
Yea, I think KDE 4 is good and shows a lot of promise. They're attempting to do something different - a better UI with guidelines, a new API, plus a lot of new code.
I've always liked KDE and I have every confidence that they will do right by it. Sure, I'm a little disappointed that I can't use a perfect KDE 4 right now, but I'd rather it take another year and get done right without shortcuts or too many concessions.
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Name one "bad legacy design decision."
I know they exist, but I bet you're just regurgitating what all the Mac fanboys love to puke all over the place and you don't even know what you mean.
First of all, it doesn't use much more resources than XP and you can slim it down to use pretty much the same.
Second of all - what do you need all those "resources" for? I've never needed more than 2GB GB RAM in the machine for *any* compiles to run fast.
I always hear this "ugh !!! Resourzes!!" MacOS is probably the biggest dog of any - I mean ANY - Operating system in current development. It's slow and a memory hog.
You're right in every point.
MacOS interface is very simple, and it's "easy enough" to find things and get things done. But if you want to do any sort of customization - forget it. If you want to change the way.. forget it. Don't even think about it.
There's some ways to making things in MacOS do what you want, but the solutions are often worse then editing registry entries.
And, every little utility * ALL OF THEM * even if all they do is one little thing that you only do once - cost money. There's almost NO free utilities for MacOS. It's always $5, or $10, or $20 for some little shit utility that you might use twice.
I found myself at the terminal/command prompt on MacOS more than I do on Ubuntu.
You don't need full admin privileges to install Flash.
These are lazy solutions, and you're full of them.
AP31R0N: I agree. The rest of my family - non-technical people - use it just fine. I've deployed XP to 500 - 1,500 user networks. I've managed XP in many different scenarios.
Usually, problems with Windows only arise when: You download Malware and install it, or you are trying to do something most people won't do. I've had my share of problems with XP but I'm also really trying to do things that only a geak would do. So it breaks sometimes, and I fix it.
It's just popular to bash Windows. It's not perfect, and there's some annoying ass problems with it, but MacOS ain't no saint either.
I've had plenty of problems with OSX. Don't let the commercials fool you.
I pay for a certain amount of bandwidth from my ISP and I'll be damned if I'm going to just open it - litigation fears be damned - and let some dude download porn all day and saturate my connection, my equipment, my network.
No thx. They can pay the cable company and get their own line.
Apple is and always has been a hardware company.
Ohh bullshit! Apple hasn't been a hardware company in a long time, as much as they'd love you to believe it.
Have you even looked at all of the popular Mac software out there right now? Most of it is made by Apple, and it's NOT free with the computer.
They make an assload of money on MacOS updates, nevermind some of the others:
- iLife
- iWork
- Final Cut
- Logic Studio
- Shake
Don't bring up an argument saying that Macs aren't more expensive than a clone and then put in some bullshit (and any arguments are petty, except mine) in there.
Ohh come on, dude. They didn't try do settle or license anything. They ignored Psystar for awhile because it was beneath them, and then once Psystar got a few more customers they slam down the crushing lawsuit.
Apple is no better (or no worse) than any other corporation.
Apple has done worse in their day. They're more ruthless than most corporations when it comes to things like this.
Somehow, it seems to go unnoticed..
I guess people forgot how they squashed the Mac clone market a decade ago by deciding to no longer license the ROM needed to run MacOS and thus putting many OEM companies out of business in one fell swoop.
Best to read again, and read my response..
Hey AC.
Not very insightful at all. I thought it would be pretty obvious to infer the following from my post:
- That I was an Admin
- That web mail and general internet surfing was not banned
- That there was no written procedure to go through; this guy was just a schmuck
- Obviously it was the work PC. It was easier saying "My PC" than "The PC that sits at my desk that I use every day which was designated for my use during the work day."
The PC was connected to OUR domain, at our department. By taking the PC to their office, which I firewalled from ours (we had patch management, software deployment, locked down PC's; a fully managed system - they still have Win95 machines running) so they couldn't login to our domain.
I was asked for the "Administrator" password first. I told them that it was Vista, and that I never assigned one to "Administrator." They didn't believe me. Eventually they asked for my password, which I didn't give them.
You're as much of a moron as they are.
Some departments have good stuff. At the DOC, we had a large VMware ESX environment with a Clariion SAN and a large campus fiber-connected network. It worked exceptionally well.
The problem isn't budget or equipment, it's politics and mismanagement.
While it's not quite THAT bad in Rhode Island (you CAN be fired) it's nearly so. It's so hard to fire a state employee that usually, people "fail upwards." So, the really crappy workers end up getting promoted AWAY to a different department. Then they fail there, and they are promoted again to a different department.
Unfortunately, after so much promoting because you suck so much, you end up being the boss of the people that wanted you gone in the first place.
Good guess.
The sad part about RI IT is that there's some good guys working there; they really do want to do a good job and run things smoothly. It was a pleasure to work with some of those people.
Unfortunately, there's some real class-A dickheads in the management positions that keep everyone fighting with each other. People from Agency A are afraid to help someone from Agency B because Ernie Smith will go ape shit about some paperwork that he created the day before didn't get filled out in triplicate. So everyone hires more contractors.
DoIT has blown millions and millions of taxpayer dollars and things are worse now than ever. Eventually, I HOPE, someone in the higher up will say "Okay, I'm sorry, but you simply can no longer explain away these failures because of 'resistance to change.'"
I'm guessing they are totally incompetent.
I used to work for the State (a very small state) and some dipshit "Security Director" over at the Department of Administration (all our Internet traffic went through there) decided that he didn't like all this traffic coming from my PC to an IP address that matched a "corporate domain name" (it was my own domain, and I'd login to my own webmail.) Basically this guy was (is) paid $150K a year, and all he does is install appliances and watch logs to try and catch people surfing the wrong web pages (he used to be a cop.)
He tried to fire me for "running a business from my desk" which of course I wasn't doing..
Anyways, he sent someone down to my office and they took my PC. Vista x86.
So they couldn't figure out how to login to the machine. The so-called security expert couldn't even create a boot disk or anything to get access. It's not like it was a crazy machine, it was a Dell Precision machine with a SATA RAID card. All they had to do was download the drivers from Dell and make a BartPE or something.
They basically told me that if I didn't give them my password I was fired. I absolutely REFUSED. Never do you ever need to have someone give you their password. A so-called security expert should know this.
So eventually I drove over there, typed in my password for them, and drove back to my office. They didn't find anything, obviously, and I got the machine back completely wiped two weeks later.
So yes, they are DEFINITELY INCOMPETENT! All IT management in state/government agencies are, and most of the people working for them as well. You move up in the government simply by not being fired and putting in more years than the next guy.
I used it as a metaphor, not a location. When someone says "Hollywood" like I did, they often mean "staged, fake, produced, acting."
But thank you for correcting me anyways I guess..
No.
You're talking about closed document formats, specifically Adobe formats, and Photoshop doesn't run on Linux without WINE/Emulators. The PSD format is not an open format - so until someone reverse engineers the extremely complex PSD format, you're SOL.
On a Linux desktop, Gimp documents are supported by most Linux apps. Last I checked, Photoshop doesn't natively open Gimp documents either. (GIMP has beta support for PSD format documents, BTW. Works okay for many documents.)
This has nothing to do with the type of application interoperability that's worth mentioning. I mean, wow - closed source document formats don't always perfectly on open source software. Weird.
The camera "RAW" formats aren't necessarily open either. Canon or Pentax might both charge for the specifications (I don't know.) On Windows, almost nothing opens RAW with any success. Some other apps try, like Acdsee, but they don't do a good job. Only Adobe Camera RAW seems to be any good, and again, is a Windows/Mac only app.
Not sure what you mean by the Cocoa "service announcement" stuff. But if you mean something like OLE, OLE works fine with most GUI linux apps; at least the ones I use. But yea, that's the only example of interoperability you've mentioned here.
Both KDE and Gnome have interfaces to allow applications to directly interact with the desktop or framework. Many apps written for either GTK or QT (which is almost all of them now a days) make use of these interfaces.
Ohh shove off. There's plenty of problems of OSS, but I don't think it's as bad as YOU make it out to be.
You say "if I have something negative to say" - no, you didn't just say something negative. You said "'ll either ignore you or stick your request at the bottom of my list." I refute that statement strongly, and I refute your stance that nobody writing OSS has any "responsibility."
I don't see any difference here between OSS and non-OSS in each aspect. Every Windows software development house is your so-called "island." There's so much shitty commercial software out there, and they have no accountability to anyone either. Sure, you pay them for the software, but if there's a problem - then what? You call support for best-effort fixes. And in the case of Microsoft, you have to PAY for that luxury.
Maybe the last time you seriously have an OSS desktop a chance was in 1999. But now a days, copy/paste works like it should, and software interopability is shaping up very nicely. And I hope you're not saying that somehow Windows or MacOS is any better in this regard. Cite an example of some interop that's good on those systems that doesn't work on a Linux desktop. I dare you to come up with some meaningful examples.
I'm in the same boat as you, but unlike you I *do* like the direction they're going and I can't wait to see what they're going to do to improve it in the coming months.
It's a new UI, and now that it's "released" they'll get a lot more feedback, and I expect to see a lot of improvements moving forward.
I don't think the KDE team expected no negative feedback. The problem with introducing new features one by one, in this case, is that they have made a significant number of changes on the back-end, and would have had to re-write a lot of old code to make KDE 4 look like KDE 3 just to make people comfortable.
KDE had made incremental changes from 1.x through 3.x. 4.0 represents a new direction for the first time.
I think KDE 4 shows a lot of promise; I like what I see so far. I think they are making bold moves to address a lot of the old problems, and it's taking a LOT of time and effort to make it a reality. Perhaps more then they even thought it would.
Like you though, I'll probably have to wait until a later version to use it as my primary desktop. That's okay though, because Gnome and KDE 3.x are still good and I can wait.
Yea, and don't you hate the argument that MacOS is always somehow better than anything else? Gah, I don't like MacOS. I have never liked the "dancing" top bar or no click-through. Ever wonder why nobody else does a UI this way? Because when given the choice, people would rather not use the MacOS UI.
You mustn't actually USE any open source software, or have actually contributed to any of it.
I'm not a developer, or a programmer, and I've found that most of these guys working on these projects take a lot of pride in their work. I've sent e-mails to quite a few projects and I almost always get a very favorable response. I've submit bug reports and have had them fixed in the next release.
Where else can you get that kind of user-to-developer connection?
You seem to have a lot of anger towards open source, and you think that everyone doing it is in it for some kind of glory or something. Whatever man. Go work for some slave shop like EA and leave us alone.
Yea, I think KDE 4 is good and shows a lot of promise. They're attempting to do something different - a better UI with guidelines, a new API, plus a lot of new code.
I've always liked KDE and I have every confidence that they will do right by it. Sure, I'm a little disappointed that I can't use a perfect KDE 4 right now, but I'd rather it take another year and get done right without shortcuts or too many concessions.