Just setup a dumpster at the local recycling center where people can take old computers and toss them in.
Why is that such a hard concept? Charging people $25 isn't going to stop them from tossing them into the trash. Who cares about $25 you paid 2 years ago and wont get back anyway.
It doesn't sound like bottle deposits where you actually get the money back, it sounds more like you just give "them" $25 and that's it.
I am guessing this is being pushed by people who want to make a shitload of money from recycling computers (i.e. throwing them in a big hole in the ground when no one is looking).
I disagree. I still don't think end users know or care what "platform" an app is written in. If I tell my mom about this great platform, she would look at me with a blank stare and say, "Platform?"
I think that if you write an application in Java that people will want it is not going to matter whether XP has a JVM or not, just bundle a JVM with the app.
That's a nonproblem. If encarta or whoever can sell more stuff and have more sites, like.kids they would jump on it.
Let's not forget that children, or anyone for that matter, has no right or been promised that they will find everything they want on the Internet. Sometimes you might just have to tell little Billy that he has to go to the library like everyone else has been doing long before there was the WWW.
Kids have been going to school for a long time and have had little trouble writing reports on past wars. Books people BOOKS! they still work.
Why should Sun market Java to your Mom? Does your mom give a crap what language this or that app is written in?
I really think that would be a waste of money for Sun. Sun needs to market to the development community. No one other than developers cares about Java or C#. Users just want apps that do what they say they are going to do and provide some sort of value to them, they don't care what language they are written in.
Maybe I am just missing a portion of the problem, but I don't see marketing Java to the masses as providing any value to Sun.
>"most people don't want to download and install Sun's JRE"
That comment is silly and irrelevant. Even when MS did ship a JVM, it still didn't work. People still had to download the JVM.
But I don't see that as a huge stumbling block for Java's success.
Say, for instance, you write this killer app for your company or to sell. Just bundle the stupid app in an install anywhere installer and throw in the JRE you want your app to run. When the user installs it, they get the correct jre that works with your app. Not to mention the fact that most companies have, or should have, people installing apps on workstations that know what the hell they are doing.
People make too big of deal out of the fact that Java runs in a JVM, it's not a big deal it's just a packaging/distribution issue.
I think it's to Java's advantage that MS doesn't ship with Java. That way you don't have to deal MS's extension, modifications, and incompatibilities.
Java's not dead, nor will it be for a long time. Especially so after IBM buys Sun.
automatically query a server for new updates on a regular basis. When it sees a new update is available it downloads the software, installs it, formats your harddrive and reboots.
Seriously having an option on a security/network package that notifies someone via email if a app gets too old would be a good idea.
Automatically doing stuff on servers needs to be left the people that know what they are doing, like Microsoft or perhaps the dude or dudette that is paid to manage that server.
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Just setup a dumpster at the local recycling center where people can take old computers and toss them in.
Why is that such a hard concept? Charging people $25 isn't going to stop them from tossing them into the trash. Who cares about $25 you paid 2 years ago and wont get back anyway.
It doesn't sound like bottle deposits where you actually get the money back, it sounds more like you just give "them" $25 and that's it.
I am guessing this is being pushed by people who want to make a shitload of money from recycling computers (i.e. throwing them in a big hole in the ground when no one is looking).
I disagree. I still don't think end users know or care what "platform" an app is written in. If I tell my mom about this great platform, she would look at me with a blank stare and say, "Platform?"
I think that if you write an application in Java that people will want it is not going to matter whether XP has a JVM or not, just bundle a JVM with the app.
Why is that so hard to understand?
That's a nonproblem. If encarta or whoever can sell more stuff and have more sites, like .kids they would jump on it.
Let's not forget that children, or anyone for that matter, has no right or been promised that they will find everything they want on the Internet. Sometimes you might just have to tell little Billy that he has to go to the library like everyone else has been doing long before there was the WWW.
Kids have been going to school for a long time and have had little trouble writing reports on past wars. Books people BOOKS! they still work.
Why should Sun market Java to your Mom? Does your mom give a crap what language this or that app is written in?
I really think that would be a waste of money for Sun. Sun needs to market to the development community. No one other than developers cares about Java or C#. Users just want apps that do what they say they are going to do and provide some sort of value to them, they don't care what language they are written in.
Maybe I am just missing a portion of the problem, but I don't see marketing Java to the masses as providing any value to Sun.
>"most people don't want to download and install Sun's JRE"
That comment is silly and irrelevant. Even when MS did ship a JVM, it still didn't work. People still had to download the JVM.
But I don't see that as a huge stumbling block for Java's success.
Say, for instance, you write this killer app for your company or to sell. Just bundle the stupid app in an install anywhere installer and throw in the JRE you want your app to run. When the user installs it, they get the correct jre that works with your app. Not to mention the fact that most companies have, or should have, people installing apps on workstations that know what the hell they are doing.
People make too big of deal out of the fact that Java runs in a JVM, it's not a big deal it's just a packaging/distribution issue.
I think it's to Java's advantage that MS doesn't ship with Java. That way you don't have to deal MS's extension, modifications, and incompatibilities.
Java's not dead, nor will it be for a long time. Especially so after IBM buys Sun.
Seriously having an option on a security/network package that notifies someone via email if a app gets too old would be a good idea.
Automatically doing stuff on servers needs to be left the people that know what they are doing, like Microsoft or perhaps the dude or dudette that is paid to manage that server.