It's good to be so angry. That way, you never have to study new technology (like CLI - hint, that's not Command Line Interface) and you can just play Follow The Leader.
That's quite a rosy picture you painted. All full of good intentions, of which Hell is full of. Here's a little exchange between the politician and the interviewer that lays waste to your innocence:
Interviewer: Don't you think when people leave a comment on a internet message board and they don't use they're real name that they expect that to be private, that they don't expect that to be traced back to them by police without court order oversight?
Politico: I'm not clear on the point that you're making [yeah, right...]. If it's a publicly posted content than it's a content that would be obviously available for anyone to see. [politico likes circular arguments]. (...) most telecom provider already do that [drop jaws now, canucks].
That's right. Your intentions to opine anonymously deserve no respect. Who's to say what you can and can't say and, ultimately, if you deserve an investigation? The government, of course, will decide the Healthy Wholesome Words to be said.
Free Speech has no place in the world of Van Loan, because the police might not like what you've said. No court order. No judge to oversee anything. No need for the Justice system, nah, they just get int the way. Police will come knocking at you door. Simple. Clean. Say Healthy Wholesome Words. In a public forum everything is public and forum is public by definition so don't say anything that's not Happy Wholesome Government Approved Words. That is called Van Loan's Logic.
Will Canada's justice system just sit by the wayside, watching ?! Is this thing even constitutional in Canada?
A couple of years ago, they made a version for FreeBSD, and I used it all the time and it was better than OpenOffice, which had too many bugs for my taste.
Since they stopped putting out a version for FreeBSD, I went back to OpenOffice.
It's really too bad they stopped making a version for FreeBSD, because, with the linux emulation layer (where one can choose Fedora libraries, for instance), it should be really easy for them.
Nothing. This is Stallman FUD. This issue has been beaten to death. Mono works with an ECMA spec. That's it.
Let''s do the rational thing: ignore Stallman. He's going the way of the dodo. More and more projects are open source and please-use-this-in-your-business-without-restrictions and he hates that world. He'd like everyone to catch his virus, but it's not happening.
Could you come up with real specific examples? Because all I see, year after year, is Mono progressing. Mono's problems began when Miguel de Icaza grokked Microsoft's CLI technology (Common Language Infrastructure) and called for what it is: a great fucking idea.
Add to that the fact the M$ published the spec under a recognized standards body and that was the point at which the zealot's heads began to swell until the point of explosion.
Being the user of many different *nix systems, I hate to say it, but we're so behind the curve on so many things. Don't be surprised if, in the next 5 years, the exploits begin to show show proportionally much more on Linux than on Windows, giving us a very bad name (already we're out of the netbook market because of stupid handling/sloppy programming and interfaces that were a mental case). There's a whole team of top-notch researchers at Microsoft, while in Unix-land, many are in a 70s programming mindset.
Go ahead, dudes, mod me down. I gots lots of sky-high karma.
You are so clueless, you are beyond help. Your TI-89? Throw in the garbage (you should have bought an HP, anyways). What a joke education has become. Now go program your PHP site.
I totally agree that Fortran is inadequate for a first language. In fact, at my university, we had to learn C (now some are getting around to Scheme), Pascal (cleaner syntax, etc.) as a first language. Then we get around to learning pointers in the context of data structures and algorithms. This use of pointers is just something you have to go through in life, just like learning your ABC. A little bit of Maude (yes! In the context of specifications) was taught. Applied Math students learn Fortran later, but they also learn Matlab prior or simultaneously. R is learned in statistics. Maple is also used in ODE, etc., classes.
In terms of the article, Python is a very weak choice. You need to learn about pointers. Then, if you need a simple language high-level language for math/physics you should do what everybody does: use MATLAB (sadly, the excelent Scilab is neglected - probably due to it being European and not having the marketing penetrating capacity the MATLAB firm has), use Maple. IIRC, even the Python numerics packages are not on par with its proprietary counterparts, lacking many things. I'm not sure, but it seems to me that in terms of data visualization, Java might be a good choice (C++ being an obvious one). So Python doesn't seem to fit anywhere, in my mind. It has this niche as a scripting language (and some would argue it's not well designed) and it should stay there. As a "glue" language for scientific computing it doesn't achieve much, it seems. At least, it seems there are other options that deliver more speed, more features, more power (want abstraction + foreign functions interface? I'd do Common Lisp) and, thus, more productivity. In fact, were it not so, Python wouldn't be such a minority choice. Now, if your talking web sites...That's another issue altogether.
There's no way around Fortran for numerics. Numerics code is the domain of experts, and they work in Fortran (Fortran being faster than C for this task), Let's hope Sun Microsystems gets Fortress in a usable state - because that has a lot of good ideas in it (ideas from functional programming).
10 Euros/year only. No binaries - so that means you won't see pictures of recipes in alt.binary.food.
But that's enough for posting your questions in your favorite comp.lang.* groups.
And anybody with half a brain who's not born yesterday (Facebook/Tweeter kiddos) who's tried using Usenet newsgroups knows there's nothing better for tapping into the wisdom of experts.
Google is not USENET. Google is a privately owned company. USENET belongs to no-one and to all. Do you see the difference? NNTP was very well thought out. It's distributed.
I'm quite aware that there's a generation out there that thinks Google can uncover any info you want (try something from 3 years ago and see how well you fare) and that think that PHP forums are the *best* way to store info. However, a simple examination will reveal how unfounded these opinions are. Google will own your info. PHP forums come and go. That's not reliable information.
OTOH, I would like USENET posting to allow for mark-up text, such as LaTeX or MathML. That would be very useful.
You talk like 2.6 was a long time ago. In practical terms, if I may draw paralels with the Windows world, this means the XP guy still has his software running and I don't. Actually, this is the reality. Take your hubris elsewhere, sir.
Now, that was the stupidest comment in this whole discussion. How in the world someone modded you insightful is beyond my comprehension. You actually like the mess we're in, don't you? Let me guess...a Debian developer?
Every software you buy for Windows will probably run in the next releases. This is important if your not a freeloader or a kid but rather someone who depends on sophisticated software (engineering, etc.) made by third-party experts.
With Linux, just you try. Six months from now, when Ubuntu fucks up their upgrading, everything will brake and you will realize that you live in an ocean of pain. Maybe you like reverse-engineering proprietary software just to get it working, but I do not.
Standartization is not even the issue. Stupid choices are the issue. If Linux had as many choices as today, but with inovative stuff, that would be fine. But KDE is behind Apple, Gnome is behind everyone else (it still uses Apple's HIG from last century), etc. Linux developers take pride in the fact there's no binary backwards compatibillty (it being C source code, actually). You can even be extremely cool and intelligent, write a Master's theses and develop sophisticated tech like NixOS (solves the library-dependency hell), but no-one will give a shit in Linuxland.
Meanwhile, Microsoft does formal analysis on its drivers, promotes C# and F#, Apple is the master of sensible choices in the UI (I predict that in 10 years from now, Linux users will be able to rename their photos with an Automator clone instead of a bash script) , etc. Closest thing Linux devs could come up with is a useless spinning cube that is full of bugs.
The disease is called: severe Stuckintheseventilitis.
Sound on Linux sucks. In my Mandriva Power Pack 2009.1 (on my notebook), sometimes Banshee works, sometimes it doesn't. If I start Autozen, I gotta close Amarok. Etc. Last release, it would not play audio CDs. Sometimes it would. Sometimes not.
Just sucks. I can't recommend Linux to anyone. Why should I tell my father to use Linux, when he's doing just fine with his Vista, and the wife loves the Mac (she recently realized how Windows sucks in comparison)?
Ok, that might happen here and there. I don't think it's widespread. But it's definetely something worth worrying about. Crack cocaine is becoming epidemic in Brazil.
Hah! Electric cars! Now, that's a dud when it comes to protecting the environment!
Where will you get Lithium from? Peru? They're not selling. Will you trade dependency from the UAE to Peru? Or invade it, maybe?
And can you imagine the envrionmental impact of all the mining involved in making the alloys, the energy for manufacturing and the dangerous business of discarding the batteries?
Electric cars are a joke from the American automotive industry lobby, and the joke is on you.
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Hello, Rabid Stallman Fanboy.
It's good to be so angry. That way, you never have to study new technology (like CLI - hint, that's not Command Line Interface) and you can just play Follow The Leader.
That's quite a rosy picture you painted. All full of good intentions, of which Hell is full of.
Here's a little exchange between the politician and the interviewer that lays waste to your innocence:
Interviewer: Don't you think when people leave a comment on a internet message board and they don't use they're real name that they expect that to be private, that they don't expect that to be traced back to them by police without court order oversight?
Politico: I'm not clear on the point that you're making [yeah, right...]. If it's a publicly posted content than it's a content that would be obviously available for anyone to see. [politico likes circular arguments]. (...) most telecom provider already do that [drop jaws now, canucks].
That's right. Your intentions to opine anonymously deserve no respect. Who's to say what you can and can't say and, ultimately, if you deserve an investigation? The government, of course, will decide the Healthy Wholesome Words to be said.
Free Speech has no place in the world of Van Loan, because the police might not like what you've said. No court order. No judge to oversee anything. No need for the Justice system, nah, they just get int the way. Police will come knocking at you door. Simple. Clean. Say Healthy Wholesome Words. In a public forum everything is public and forum is public by definition so don't say anything that's not Happy Wholesome Government Approved Words. That is called Van Loan's Logic.
Will Canada's justice system just sit by the wayside, watching ?! Is this thing even constitutional in Canada?
A couple of years ago, they made a version for FreeBSD, and I used it all the time and it was better than OpenOffice, which had too many bugs for my taste.
Since they stopped putting out a version for FreeBSD, I went back to OpenOffice.
It's really too bad they stopped making a version for FreeBSD, because, with the linux emulation layer (where one can choose Fedora libraries, for instance), it should be really easy for them.
Nothing. This is Stallman FUD. This issue has been beaten to death. Mono works with an ECMA spec. That's it.
Let''s do the rational thing: ignore Stallman. He's going the way of the dodo. More and more projects are open source and please-use-this-in-your-business-without-restrictions and he hates that world. He'd like everyone to catch his virus, but it's not happening.
Hahahahaa...somebody rescue this poster from Score 0!
Could you come up with real specific examples? Because all I see, year after year, is Mono progressing. Mono's problems began when Miguel de Icaza grokked Microsoft's CLI technology (Common Language Infrastructure) and called for what it is: a great fucking idea.
Add to that the fact the M$ published the spec under a recognized standards body and that was the point at which the zealot's heads began to swell until the point of explosion.
Being the user of many different *nix systems, I hate to say it, but we're so behind the curve on so many things. Don't be surprised if, in the next 5 years, the exploits begin to show show proportionally much more on Linux than on Windows, giving us a very bad name (already we're out of the netbook market because of stupid handling/sloppy programming and interfaces that were a mental case). There's a whole team of top-notch researchers at Microsoft, while in Unix-land, many are in a 70s programming mindset.
Go ahead, dudes, mod me down. I gots lots of sky-high karma.
*Good* point! But, due to the size of the members of the Church of Stallman, I'm guessing you won't be modded up.
I mean, geez, this issue has been beaten to death. Only fools would take Stallman seriously. Not even Debianites listen to him anymore wrt C#/mono.
If anything, getting away from so much C is gonna make Linux apps safer, instead of this endless stream of security bugs.
You are so clueless, you are beyond help. Your TI-89? Throw in the garbage (you should have bought an HP, anyways).
What a joke education has become.
Now go program your PHP site.
I totally agree that Fortran is inadequate for a first language. In fact, at my university, we had to learn C (now some are getting around to Scheme), Pascal (cleaner syntax, etc.) as a first language. Then we get around to learning pointers in the context of data structures and algorithms. This use of pointers is just something you have to go through in life, just like learning your ABC. A little bit of Maude (yes! In the context of specifications) was taught. Applied Math students learn Fortran later, but they also learn Matlab prior or simultaneously. R is learned in statistics. Maple is also used in ODE, etc., classes.
In terms of the article, Python is a very weak choice. You need to learn about pointers. Then, if you need a simple language high-level language for math/physics you should do what everybody does: use MATLAB (sadly, the excelent Scilab is neglected - probably due to it being European and not having the marketing penetrating capacity the MATLAB firm has), use Maple. IIRC, even the Python numerics packages are not on par with its proprietary counterparts, lacking many things. I'm not sure, but it seems to me that in terms of data visualization, Java might be a good choice (C++ being an obvious one). So Python doesn't seem to fit anywhere, in my mind. It has this niche as a scripting language (and some would argue it's not well designed) and it should stay there. As a "glue" language for scientific computing it doesn't achieve much, it seems. At least, it seems there are other options that deliver more speed, more features, more power (want abstraction + foreign functions interface? I'd do Common Lisp) and, thus, more productivity. In fact, were it not so, Python wouldn't be such a minority choice. Now, if your talking web sites...That's another issue altogether.
There's no way around Fortran for numerics. Numerics code is the domain of experts, and they work in Fortran (Fortran being faster than C for this task), Let's hope Sun Microsystems gets Fortress in a usable state - because that has a lot of good ideas in it (ideas from functional programming).
What I actually envision is that LaTeX would be of great help in some science/tech newsgroups.
and that's because you have to use your e-mail address and you can't fake it, like with Usenet providers. Which is just stupid, they being Google.
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10 Euros/year only. No binaries - so that means you won't see pictures of recipes in alt.binary.food.
But that's enough for posting your questions in your favorite comp.lang.* groups.
And anybody with half a brain who's not born yesterday (Facebook/Tweeter kiddos) who's tried using Usenet newsgroups knows there's nothing better for tapping into the wisdom of experts.
I'd just like to say it's terrible when ISPs drop Usenet. Usenet is part of the Internet culture.
Google is not USENET. Google is a privately owned company. USENET belongs to no-one and to all. Do you see the difference? NNTP was very well thought out. It's distributed.
I'm quite aware that there's a generation out there that thinks Google can uncover any info you want (try something from 3 years ago and see how well you fare) and that think that PHP forums are the *best* way to store info. However, a simple examination will reveal how unfounded these opinions are. Google will own your info. PHP forums come and go. That's not reliable information.
OTOH, I would like USENET posting to allow for mark-up text, such as LaTeX or MathML. That would be very useful.
What compatibility are you talking about?
What ? WHAT ?! Try buying commercial software: Maple, Matlab, etc. Let me know if you still got you software 2 years from today running on Linux.
As to binary compatibilty, Sun Solaris, it seems, is way better. Or, to put it another way: Linux sucks.
You talk like 2.6 was a long time ago. In practical terms, if I may draw paralels with the Windows world, this means the XP guy still has his software running and I don't. Actually, this is the reality.
Take your hubris elsewhere, sir.
Now, that was the stupidest comment in this whole discussion. How in the world someone modded you insightful is beyond my comprehension.
You actually like the mess we're in, don't you? Let me guess...a Debian developer?
Every software you buy for Windows will probably run in the next releases. This is important if your not a freeloader or a kid but rather someone who depends on sophisticated software (engineering, etc.) made by third-party experts.
With Linux, just you try. Six months from now, when Ubuntu fucks up their upgrading, everything will brake and you will realize that you live in an ocean of pain. Maybe you like reverse-engineering proprietary software just to get it working, but I do not.
Standartization is not even the issue. Stupid choices are the issue. If Linux had as many choices as today, but with inovative stuff, that would be fine. But KDE is behind Apple, Gnome is behind everyone else (it still uses Apple's HIG from last century), etc. Linux developers take pride in the fact there's no binary backwards compatibillty (it being C source code, actually). You can even be extremely cool and intelligent, write a Master's theses and develop sophisticated tech like NixOS (solves the library-dependency hell), but no-one will give a shit in Linuxland.
Meanwhile, Microsoft does formal analysis on its drivers, promotes C# and F#, Apple is the master of sensible choices in the UI (I predict that in 10 years from now, Linux users will be able to rename their photos with an Automator clone instead of a bash script) , etc. Closest thing Linux devs could come up with is a useless spinning cube that is full of bugs.
The disease is called: severe Stuckintheseventilitis.
Sound on Linux sucks. In my Mandriva Power Pack 2009.1 (on my notebook), sometimes Banshee works, sometimes it doesn't. If I start Autozen, I gotta close Amarok. Etc. Last release, it would not play audio CDs. Sometimes it would. Sometimes not.
Just sucks. I can't recommend Linux to anyone. Why should I tell my father to use Linux, when he's doing just fine with his Vista, and the wife loves the Mac (she recently realized how Windows sucks in comparison)?
Basically, a century-old rip off of Apple's HIG.
Ok, that might happen here and there. I don't think it's widespread. But it's definetely something worth worrying about. Crack cocaine is becoming epidemic in Brazil.
Hah! Electric cars! Now, that's a dud when it comes to protecting the environment!
Where will you get Lithium from? Peru? They're not selling. Will you trade dependency from the UAE to Peru? Or invade it, maybe?
And can you imagine the envrionmental impact of all the mining involved in making the alloys, the energy for manufacturing and the dangerous business of discarding the batteries?
Electric cars are a joke from the American automotive industry lobby, and the joke is on you.
What does "race" (an unscientific concept that bears no relation with the genetic make-up of individuals) has to do with it?
Did you celebrate when PanAm folded?