Anti-semite?? Do u know what the hell you are talkin about?? First off "semites" include arabs AND jews. Besides, he didn't mention anything anti-jewish, so calling him a Nazi is hardly legitimate.
If anything, we should be calling you a racist. I am forced to quote from your comment "ISLAMIC PALESTINIAN ASSHOLES". Pick a racist, any racist.
Lastly(before this becomes an arab-jew argument), how exactly are europeans stopping Israel from defending itself?? Have they threatened nuclear attacks? Any air raids recently??
The difference on the matter of combat death insurance is - American, Israeli, Jordanian, Russian, Canadian CIVILIANS don't get paid for blowing up malls and pizza places, Palestinian Terrorist families are paid by Iraq for doing this thing.
That is because the type of warfare they're involved in is completely different. Much of the war in Palestine/Israel is guerilla which results in heavy civilian involvement. Just because the Palestinean freedom fighters, are not drafted into an army, does not make their cause any less justified than that of an official Army. You have to remember that there is no state of Palestine, and thus they have no air force, no army and no navy to protect them from Israeli attacks. All they have right now are the "terrorists" which although not classified officially as soldiers, fight against their enemy in any way they can with whatever supplies they have. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't approve of Night Club or Pizza Parlor bombings, even Palestineans are often killed in those, but suicide bombings are often a last resort for those that have lost their families to Israeli military attacks, and in their minds, and the minds of most palestineans, they are Soldiers for a free Palestine.
Now, when you say there is a world of difference between apache helicopter attacks on civilian targets and terrorist attacks on civilian targets, I in fact do fail to see much difference. Civilians being targeted by any group, whether the military or a terrorist group is still targetting civilians. The fact that one is official(ie the IDF) and others are outlawed(Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP), it doesn't change the fact that civlians are being killed. If my mom was killed in a hotel bombing, it doesn't matter if it was done by terrorists or by the government. I don't care if it was an authorized military attack to take out a single "suspected militant" or a "political figure" or whether it was done "officially" or was "the work of evil-doers". Either way, my mom, and hundreds of other innocents would be murdered and I would be pissed at whomever did it, whether it was done officially or unofficially.
Look at what happened today.
"Palestinian gunmen opened fire on a group of Israelis leaving Friday night prayer services in the Jewish Quarter of Hebron killing at eleven people and wounding 14.
As security forces rushed to evacuate the wounded they came under heavy sniper fire and hand grenades were thrown at them in what an army officer called a complex ambush. The attack came from terrorists situated in the Abu Sneineh neighborhood overlooking the Jewish Quarter in the divided West Bank city."
I have to admit, that is extremely cold-blooded of the Palestineans. However, it's not as though Israel hasn't carried out any missions as cold-blooded or worse than this. Whenever Israel sends a team to "infiltrate and arrest militants", they bomb and buldoze(yes, buldoze) half the city then send in their aromored vehicles and tanks to finish off the job killing scores of civilians in the process. If that wasn't bad enough, they just about always block all ingoing and outgoing traffic including ambulances, leaving those injured to die a slow painful death.(This can be verified by reading archived stories on CNN, BBC, or just about any other news source). If they ever do get through, often hours later, the only thing they can do is pick up the rotting mess left by the occupying forces.
Israel is better than Syria, Iraq and Hezbollah, they don't export terror or fund terror groups or use chemical weapons on the battlefield or civilians.
For your information, Israel has supported terrorist organizations in the past. When Israel invaded Lebanon(in which it killed 17,000+ people), it encountered strong resistance from Hezbollah. In response, Israel began to supply tanks, armored vehicles as well as other munitions to christian "freedom fighters" in the south. And just because chemical weapons specifically aren't being used against civilians, the use of other weapons against civilians isn't justified. IMHO, an apache helicopter shelling and firing rockets at apartment buildings and hospitals is no better than unleashing nerve gas in a subway station.
Really? Is that why Israel returned the Sinai? Is that why Israel attempted to return 97% of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority in Dec of 2000?
No, they gave back the Sinai because the US forced them to. The US was already giving large amounts of military and economic aid to Israel and the camp david accord promised even more. Had Israel refused, the US may have potentially cut off billions of dollars in aid crippling the Israeli economy. For your information, to this day, Israel is the single largest recipiant of US aid.
As for the 97%, there has been some debate as to how much land this actually constituted and where exactly it was. Israel's definition of Jerusalem for example, went all the way to the Jordanian border and since most of Jeruselam wasn't part of the deal, it could exclude large amounts of land as well as divide what was left of Palestinean land.
Iraq pays the family of a suicide bomber up to $20,000 after the bomber kills Jews. Israel doesn't pay IDF soldiers a bonus for killings."
I have not seen any evidence proving or disproving this fact. However, IDF soldiers as well as US soldiers, Canadian Soldiers and soldiers of any other nation protecting "National Interests" are compensated for their service. Their families to are compensated when they become casulties of war fighting for their country. Now if this is legitamate, why can't palestineans be compensated for the sacrifices they made for their country's(or future country's) "National Interest"? I know it's a bad idea to pay someone's family because they were a suicide bomber who may have killed innocent civilians(not all suicide bombers target civilians), but that doesn't stop Israel, or the US or Canada from compensating it's soldiers when they may have killed civilians in battle.
Also in terms of being trustworthy, Iraq has had 2 major wars on the past 50 years with it's neighbors: The Invasion of kuwait, and the Iraq-Iran war. Israel on the other hand has had several others including but not limited to: The 1967 war, the Yom Kappur war(sorry bout the spelling) and the invasion of Lebanon in 1980.
Now I know you are going to say that these wars were in defense. In some cases it may be true, but in most, it simply is not. 1967: Israel attacked it's neighbors first. Call it a pre-emptive strike if you like, but they attacked first. 1980 invasion of Lebanon: Need I say more.
I personally would not trust a nuclear nation that openly attacks civilians and other nations and is surrounded by neighbors which lack nuclear weapons. Also, there have been several UN resolutions telling Israel to pull it's military out of the west bank, NONE of which it has abided by. The only UN resolution they honor is the one claiming their right to exist.
These are some of the several reasons why Israel is no better than Iraq or Hezbollah.
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Anti-semite?? Do u know what the hell you are talkin about?? First off "semites" include arabs AND jews. Besides, he didn't mention anything anti-jewish, so calling him a Nazi is hardly legitimate.
If anything, we should be calling you a racist. I am forced to quote from your comment "ISLAMIC PALESTINIAN ASSHOLES". Pick a racist, any racist.
Lastly(before this becomes an arab-jew argument), how exactly are europeans stopping Israel from defending itself?? Have they threatened nuclear attacks? Any air raids recently??
I wonder if they sent a letter to the airforce saying Iraq had been pirating software in the no fly zone!!
The difference on the matter of combat death insurance is - American, Israeli, Jordanian, Russian, Canadian CIVILIANS don't get paid for blowing up malls and pizza places, Palestinian Terrorist families are paid by Iraq for doing this thing.
That is because the type of warfare they're involved in is completely different. Much of the war in Palestine/Israel is guerilla which results in heavy civilian involvement. Just because the Palestinean freedom fighters, are not drafted into an army, does not make their cause any less justified than that of an official Army. You have to remember that there is no state of Palestine, and thus they have no air force, no army and no navy to protect them from Israeli attacks. All they have right now are the "terrorists" which although not classified officially as soldiers, fight against their enemy in any way they can with whatever supplies they have. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't approve of Night Club or Pizza Parlor bombings, even Palestineans are often killed in those, but suicide bombings are often a last resort for those that have lost their families to Israeli military attacks, and in their minds, and the minds of most palestineans, they are Soldiers for a free Palestine.
Now, when you say there is a world of difference between apache helicopter attacks on civilian targets and terrorist attacks on civilian targets, I in fact do fail to see much difference. Civilians being targeted by any group, whether the military or a terrorist group is still targetting civilians. The fact that one is official(ie the IDF) and others are outlawed(Hamas, Hezbollah, PFLP), it doesn't change the fact that civlians are being killed. If my mom was killed in a hotel bombing, it doesn't matter if it was done by terrorists or by the government. I don't care if it was an authorized military attack to take out a single "suspected militant" or a "political figure" or whether it was done "officially" or was "the work of evil-doers". Either way, my mom, and hundreds of other innocents would be murdered and I would be pissed at whomever did it, whether it was done officially or unofficially.
Look at what happened today. "Palestinian gunmen opened fire on a group of Israelis leaving Friday night prayer services in the Jewish Quarter of Hebron killing at eleven people and wounding 14. As security forces rushed to evacuate the wounded they came under heavy sniper fire and hand grenades were thrown at them in what an army officer called a complex ambush. The attack came from terrorists situated in the Abu Sneineh neighborhood overlooking the Jewish Quarter in the divided West Bank city."
I have to admit, that is extremely cold-blooded of the Palestineans. However, it's not as though Israel hasn't carried out any missions as cold-blooded or worse than this. Whenever Israel sends a team to "infiltrate and arrest militants", they bomb and buldoze(yes, buldoze) half the city then send in their aromored vehicles and tanks to finish off the job killing scores of civilians in the process. If that wasn't bad enough, they just about always block all ingoing and outgoing traffic including ambulances, leaving those injured to die a slow painful death.(This can be verified by reading archived stories on CNN, BBC, or just about any other news source). If they ever do get through, often hours later, the only thing they can do is pick up the rotting mess left by the occupying forces.
Israel is better than Syria, Iraq and Hezbollah, they don't export terror or fund terror groups or use chemical weapons on the battlefield or civilians.
For your information, Israel has supported terrorist organizations in the past. When Israel invaded Lebanon(in which it killed 17,000+ people), it encountered strong resistance from Hezbollah. In response, Israel began to supply tanks, armored vehicles as well as other munitions to christian "freedom fighters" in the south. And just because chemical weapons specifically aren't being used against civilians, the use of other weapons against civilians isn't justified. IMHO, an apache helicopter shelling and firing rockets at apartment buildings and hospitals is no better than unleashing nerve gas in a subway station.
Really? Is that why Israel returned the Sinai? Is that why Israel attempted to return 97% of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority in Dec of 2000?
No, they gave back the Sinai because the US forced them to. The US was already giving large amounts of military and economic aid to Israel and the camp david accord promised even more. Had Israel refused, the US may have potentially cut off billions of dollars in aid crippling the Israeli economy. For your information, to this day, Israel is the single largest recipiant of US aid.
As for the 97%, there has been some debate as to how much land this actually constituted and where exactly it was. Israel's definition of Jerusalem for example, went all the way to the Jordanian border and since most of Jeruselam wasn't part of the deal, it could exclude large amounts of land as well as divide what was left of Palestinean land.
Iraq pays the family of a suicide bomber up to $20,000 after the bomber kills Jews. Israel doesn't pay IDF soldiers a bonus for killings."
I have not seen any evidence proving or disproving this fact. However, IDF soldiers as well as US soldiers, Canadian Soldiers and soldiers of any other nation protecting "National Interests" are compensated for their service. Their families to are compensated when they become casulties of war fighting for their country. Now if this is legitamate, why can't palestineans be compensated for the sacrifices they made for their country's(or future country's) "National Interest"? I know it's a bad idea to pay someone's family because they were a suicide bomber who may have killed innocent civilians(not all suicide bombers target civilians), but that doesn't stop Israel, or the US or Canada from compensating it's soldiers when they may have killed civilians in battle.
Also in terms of being trustworthy, Iraq has had 2 major wars on the past 50 years with it's neighbors: The Invasion of kuwait, and the Iraq-Iran war. Israel on the other hand has had several others including but not limited to: The 1967 war, the Yom Kappur war(sorry bout the spelling) and the invasion of Lebanon in 1980.
Now I know you are going to say that these wars were in defense. In some cases it may be true, but in most, it simply is not. 1967: Israel attacked it's neighbors first. Call it a pre-emptive strike if you like, but they attacked first. 1980 invasion of Lebanon: Need I say more.
I personally would not trust a nuclear nation that openly attacks civilians and other nations and is surrounded by neighbors which lack nuclear weapons. Also, there have been several UN resolutions telling Israel to pull it's military out of the west bank, NONE of which it has abided by. The only UN resolution they honor is the one claiming their right to exist.
These are some of the several reasons why Israel is no better than Iraq or Hezbollah.